Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Davino]

10 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

You're limiting reality to one perspective, that's the epitome.

Or maybe, you're grasping reality for what is is. 

Maybe consciousness can morph itself into all perspectives, experiences, forms, people, stars, colours, sensations, space, etc. Consciousness is Solipsistic in the sense that only itself exists, this reality we mirror it in the relative domain via communication by perspectives. 

My initial point was that for me it's quite easy to close myself in a bathroom and bask in my Solipsistic nature. The more advance solipsism is to see the nature of reality while talking with a friend, with your mum, in the middle of a party dancing with everybody. That's the beauty. I've put Solipsism to the test and each time it blossoms into a more holistic understanding of the Absolute nature of Reality.

[Davino]

11 hours ago, aurum said:

I deny that I am a finite human self.

You are also a finite human.

[aurum]

7 hours ago, zurew said:

@aurum I think you should debate this guy

That was me reflecting back to Carl-Richard’s his argument to make sure I understood him.

Yes, you could fall into a trap of equating solipsism with the finite self. But that’s not what I am doing.

[zurew]

30 minutes ago, aurum said:

Yes, you could fall into a trap of equating solipsism with the finite self. But that’s not what I am doing.

Then im not tracking at all.

How is your position different from nondualism?

[Loveeee]

On 5/30/2025 at 8:21 PM, Loveeee said:

Most people don't even realize direct experience is real and is even all they know to be real

Now how could there be 2 experiences when an experience while a very real thing isn't a classical finite thing with borders like a bubble 

There's no outside or inside, there's no room

You guys think what, that consciousness somehow has different experiences in parallel ? What does that even mean ? Get real

Consciousness must know itself totally because it's one, and since you're conscious this is it 

Answer me this 

[aurum]

8 hours ago, zurew said:

But your direct experience says otherwise - its peculiar that you have human thoughts , desires  ,and you have an embodied experience of what it means to be a limited human - and yet in your mind none of that is finite.

Yes, that's the mindfuckery of God.

You thought you were a finite human. You were so, so sure you were a finite human. You were so, so sure that it never even occurred to question it.

That's how convincing the human experience is.

But you are not ultimately a finite human, despite the fact that you can have a human experience.

Both things are true: you are not ultimately a human, and yet pragmatically you can still pick up the phone and call your mom. That's how powerful a God-dream is. It's indistinguishable from reality.

8 hours ago, zurew said:

You dont have access to and not aware of a bunch of things right now.

That's also imagination.

8 hours ago, zurew said:

It can be true all the time, that what God's aware of is what exists, but thats different from saying what a limited dream character (you having a limited embodied experience as a human) is aware of at any given moment is all that exists

Pragmatically speaking, the dream-character is not aware of all things. That is nessesarily true to create realness within the dream. But it's only true within the context of the dream itself.

You just have to stop thinking you're a human and it makes sense.

No finite-thing has awareness. God just exists. 

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, aurum said:

Yes, that's the mindfuckery of God.

Mindfuckery of Leo. What some people call solipsism, is actually non-duality. What some people call solipsism, is actually a pseudo-materialistic snowflake ideology.

[aurum]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Mindfuckery of Leo. What some people call solipsism, is actually non-duality. What some people call solipsism, is actually a pseudo-materialistic snowflake ideology.

I agree that taking a philosophical position of solipsism is not the same as awakening, yes.

You could consider yourself a solipsist but still not understand the consequences of it.

[Loveeee]

Why argue about solipsism when most of you still buy into materialism

[Someone here]

So none of you guys ever wondered why do you look so similar to your favourite idol ?

Or why there are crazy synchronisation happening across your life ?

Or why you veery much seem like you're the main character of this movie called life? 

Or why the universe seems to revolve around you ?

You really think all of this is just coincidence or random ?

[aurum]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

You are also a finite human.

Strictly speaking, you are infinity.

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Why argue about solipsism when most of you still buy into materialism

If you conclude that your finite mind-body VR headset experience is absolute reality, you're more like a materialist than anything else.

Edited June 1 by Carl-Richard

[josemar]

On 30/05/2025 at 3:16 PM, zurew said:

Why are you guys so incredibly afraid to disagree with him?  -  you are so afraid, that you cant even bother to disagree with old Leo, let alone with current Leo.

Because disagreeing with the guru doesn't get you to heaven.

[Anton Rogachevski]

Solipsism is, quite simply, the experience of losing your mind—and by that, I mean the loss of connection to what we call “physical reality.”

It occurs when you become so absorbed in your own experience, and so clearly see that what you once believed to be “reality” was merely a set of assumptions, that you can no longer believe in it. At that point, the only thing left to trust is your direct experience—the only thing you're ever truly conscious of—which turns out to be entirely made of imagination.

Reality then becomes a pure hallucination. And at that point, you could say Descartes’ Evil Demon has fully deceived you, or that you’ve given up entirely on the world outside Plato’s cave—choosing instead to immerse yourself completely in its flickering shadows.

Quote

“When the finger points to the moon, don’t look at the finger. And don’t stare at the moon so long you forget the earth beneath you.”

I don’t recommend going that far. It’s wise to retain at least some belief in the material plane. Hold on to your sanity—it’s a precious gem, not something to sacrifice for a fleeting experience of “god.” After all, you won’t be there to enjoy it. That version of you dies in the process.

I understand the allure—it’s intoxicating to peel back the veil. But the cost may be greater than you imagine.

Must truth always be worth the cost of sanity? Or is mystery itself enough?

Is it worth it?
Really—think about it.

Edited June 2 by Anton Rogachevski