Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Davino]

On 25/5/2025 at 6:06 AM, Loveeee said:

Isn't it clear, he mistakenly believes in other minds 

Other minds can exist within Mind. As a matter of fact this body and mind are happening inside Consciousness and so does everybody else. Reality can probe itself in as many ways as it wants. One consciousness, infinite perspectives. The Infinite Consciousness Field, loops itself in an I-hole through which the individual sees and taints consciousness in different states like coloured fractured glass.

Moreover, Infinity can recreate itself fully at every spot.

There's so much nuance to Solipsism, it really gets very intricate. Lately, I've been having sharper revelations.

[Salvijus]

Just now, Nemra said:

Which follows that separate consciousnesses don't exist outside if it.

Never said it does. It's the same one conciousness everywhere but in different lifeforms it has a different "potency" so to speak, for the lack of a better word. Since we are the same lifeform, we share a similar capacity of self awareness and level of sentience. And the rest of it follows. 

[Nemra]

Just now, Salvijus said:

It's the same one conciousness everywhere but in different lifeforms it has a different "potency" so to speak, for the lack of a better word. Since we are the same lifeform, we share a similar capacity of self awareness and level of sentience. And the rest of it follows. 

Other life forms having consciousnesses is what is imaginary. You still are viewing yourself as if you are in your body experiencing stuff with other life forms. I mean, I also view that way often, however, that is imaginary.

[Salvijus]

9 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Other life forms having consciousnesses is what is imaginary. You still are viewing yourself as if you are in your body experiencing stuff with other life forms. I mean, I also view that way often, however, that is imaginary.

For me it's like saying each finger on a hand has a different level of muscular strength.

Each lifeform is "infused", for lack of a better word, with different intensity of God's conciousness.

Same one conciousness. Same one hand. 

Edited May 26 by Salvijus

[Loveeee]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Out of view, just like I can't see the back of my head. But this indeed assumes statements about space/time. If I wanted to not make statements about space/time, I would simply say "consciousness is all there is, end of story"

Exactly, but by consciousness you would have to mean this current experience you're having, not some conceptual larger consciousness somewhen somewhere, that's more space/time. Direct experience 

And that is solipsism

[Loveeee]

You do realize your experience is infinite right ? Your experience is real but it's not a finite object, there's no room for anything else

 

Edited May 26 by Loveeee

[Salvijus]

If life is an imagination of a single individual mind, you'd be able to control it like a lucid dream. Rather life is a collective dream where each one is manifesting their own reality and you can't impose your will on others. You can confirm this in your own experience. This would also be another way to debunk solipsism. 

Edited May 26 by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

The fact of an experience happening implies "other". Without another there is no contrast, and without contrast there is nothing. Experience is always relative to another. Experience is not the reality, it is an expression of reality. Reality includes what's not manifested, the infinite potential. The nothing. 

Reality is limitless, then it couldn't be limited to one perspective. If it were nothing would arise, but it's impossible, because no limit could be real

[aurum]

32 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If life is an imagination of a single individual mind, you'd be able to control it like a lucid dream.

You assume as an infinite sovereign mind you wouldn't choose limitations.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

Exactly, but by consciousness you would have to mean this current experience you're having, not some conceptual larger consciousness somewhen somewhere, that's more space/time. Direct experience 

And that is solipsism

"Current experience"? "Current" is a construct of time. "This experience right here" is actually a construct of space. So you're again inadvertently referring to constructs of space/time.

If consciousness is beyond space and time, it's not limited to what is current, it's not limited to what is right here. Consciousness is that which knows what is current, what knows what is right here, but it is not limited to it.

You know you are aware, you know you are conscious, you know you are you; that's it. If you want to exclude something happening "somewhere" or "sometime", you are in space and time.

Edited May 27 by Carl-Richard

[Thought Art]

@Carl-Richard Time and space, are constructs of consciousness?

How so you know anything exists outside your experience though? Because people or resources in your experience tell you? You can’t escape the fact that you believe in things outside your experience but have no proof.

Edited May 27 by Thought Art

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

You assume as an infinite sovereign mind you wouldn't choose limitations.

Yea but you'd still have the power to remove the limitations if you desire so. Your true desires show up in a lucid dream anyway and have no problem manifesting. Why aren't those same desires not manifesting in the waking life? Exactly. 

Edited May 27 by Salvijus

[Carl-Richard]

35 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Carl-Richard Time and space, are constructs of consciousness?

How so you know anything exists outside your experience though? Because people or resources in your experience tell you? You can’t escape the fact that you believe in things outside your experience but have no proof.

You can only know for sure that you are aware, that you are conscious, that you exist.

But once you accept that, you can grant for sake of pragmatism concepts like appearance, change, time and space to explain what is happening in the illusion, in Maya. And here nothing is for certain, but you can create arguments based on reason, observation, logic, and you can evaluate which arguments seem more convincing.

And then you can create concepts like "other people" and make reasonable arguments that other people have their own private illusory Maya mind-body spatio-temporal experience like you do.

Now, what the solipsists often seem to do is they claim that consciousness is the only thing that exists, but then they inadvertently smuggle in assumptions about appearances, space, time, like "here", "now", "current", "this right here". And then they try to exclude that which is seemingly not "here", "now", "this here", but they of course end up excluding something which belongs to the domain of space/time. And suddenly, they're no longer the most simplest and straightforward perspective that they claim to be but instead a confused and deluded perspective.

Edited May 27 by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

There's this weird resistance here to the concept of consciousness as a collective.

 

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

There's this weird resistance here to the concept of consciousness as a collective.

It's the individualistic lifestyle championed by the leader, the atomized societal structure of post-modernity, and people being stuck in their minds instead of connecting to people, to nature, to feeling.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

It's the individualistic lifestyle championed by the leader, the atomized societal structure of post-modernity, and people being stuck in their minds instead of connecting to people, to nature, to feeling.

**nods vigorously**

[aurum]

28 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Yea but you'd still have the power to remove the limitations if you desire so. 

No, because if you can remove your limitations, that's not serious limitation.

Real limitations means in your current state of consciousness, you cannot change them.

[Loveeee]

[aurum]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's the individualistic lifestyle championed by the leader, the atomized societal structure of post-modernity, and people being stuck in their minds instead of connecting to people, to nature, to feeling.

Any collective you postulate must ultimately be One.

Even in language, we say "a" collective. As in, the collective itself is singular.

You cannot just have a collective of multiplicity. 

[Carl-Richard]

15 minutes ago, aurum said:

Any collective you postulate must ultimately be One.

Even in language, we say "a" collective. As in, the collective itself is singular.

You cannot just have a collective of multiplicity. 

True. Doesn't change the fact that solipsists are stuck in space/time without knowing it.

Edited May 27 by Carl-Richard