Why does everything happen perfectly?

[Magnanimous]

Lots of spiritual teachers say everything happens in perfect order; for me the most convincing is God in Conversations with God, who agrees.

If so many exceptionally conscious individuals are saying that, what's the reasoning behind it?

In my mind, if everything for me happened in perfect order I would've gotten into personal development at 6 and worked, instead of getting into it at 13 and procrastinating 99% of it, getting started 4 years later in 2025 when I turn 18. 

It brings tremendous relief that people far wiser than me say everything happens perfectly, but I honestly I need solid logic for that, because the way my life is going and how much time I wasted, I don't have the inner weight to truly believe it.

Edited May 24 by Magnanimous

[Princess Arabia]

You're not understanding. It's not perfect order but just perfect. Everything is perfect because it's one. No separation and nothing outside of it. Has nothing to do with your personal life.

[MutedMiles]

5 hours ago, Magnanimous said:

Lots of spiritual teachers say everything happens in perfect order; for me the most convincing is God in Conversations with God, who agrees.

If so many exceptionally conscious individuals are saying that, what's the reasoning behind it?

In my mind, if everything for me happened in perfect order I would've gotten into personal development at 6 and worked, instead of getting into it at 13 and procrastinating 99% of it, getting started 4 years later in 2025 when I turn 18. 

It brings tremendous relief that people far wiser than me say everything happens perfectly, but I honestly I need solid logic for that, because the way my life is going and how much time I wasted, I don't have the inner weight to truly believe it.

I understand it like this, when I welcome all my experience (it happens anytime out of interest or when it occurs to me during the day.) I can see that "me" is also a part of this experience and not the experiencer. So the "me" and his opinions and stories are just thoughts and concepts that are part of the experience.

In that sense, if those stories are set aside, everything is "perfect", but it won't be to the liking of "me" for sure and it never would be. 

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, MutedMiles said:

In that sense, if those stories are set aside, everything is "perfect"

The stories aren't really happening, anyway so it's not about "if"s. The perfection you're talking about is conditional. The illusion of stories is also perfection. There is nothing but and everything is nothing appearing as.....including the fake me.

[waheed]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

The stories aren't really happening, anyway so it's not about "if"s. The perfection you're talking about is conditional.

He is not saying it's conditional.

Edited May 24 by waheed

[Paradoxed]

Good and bad are just human labels. You realize you are causing your own suffering by believing everything should be a certain way, In reality, there is no perfect or not perfect- things just are, and you label them good or bad, right or wrong, etc. Your mind has been conditioned to do this as a survival mechanism, and society reinforces this behavior.

The ego uses logic to divide, label, and separate itself from the whole. So trying to understand this from simply a logical perspective is difficult, as the same tool you're using to understand this lesson is causing you to believe things aren't perfect. You can always find a reason for things to not be perfect. You have to move past your own reasoning and perception to understand that lesson. You have to move past your own story. Letting go of personal bias toward specific outcomes that benefit you is naturally difficult. As you shed your biases, you slowly become more content with things that used to bother you. You can forgive yourself for things you did, and forgive others, and begin to understand why those things happened from a metaphysical perspective instead of just a logical perspective. Things become easier, and the more conscious you get, you can look at your own human nature from above and watch yourself play the role of a human, instead of being fully identified with your human experience.

Labeling reality as "perfect" will be misunderstood from a human perspective. It's not really perfect, it just makes sense, and simply is the way it is. That's how the lesson gets misunderstood. Things are simply happening as you judge and interpret them. That truth is not easy to accept because humans naturally contextualize and craft a narrative around all phenomena.

[Sugarcoat]

It abso fucking lutely does NOT what r u on

[Princess Arabia]

40 minutes ago, waheed said:

He is not saying it's conditional.

In the context in which he used it, it is. Saying, set aside the stories and it won't be to the liking of me is suggesting conditional perfection. Even the me not liking Absolute perfection is perfection. I'm not saying he's not correct, but his view of perfection in the Absolute sense is limited and based on conditions as in the absence of stories. There is already no me. It is perfection parading as a me with stories to be set aside before it becomes perfect but not for the me. 

[Breakingthewall]

Perfect means that it's synchronized with the whole, it's a facet of the infinity happening in relationship with everything else, if it weren't the case it wouldn't happening, so saying that everything is perfect is the same than saying that everything is, so it's confusing because perfect point to good, that is the opposite of bad, and the reality hasn't opposite 

[Someone here]

Does the sun ever goes "well ..I'm gonna shine today because I'm not the mood"?

 

[Keryo Koffa]

Familiarize yourself with the essence of Karma beyond its western connotations.

[Hojo]

Because you are logically making up whats happening after the fact.

[Aaron p]

I have a nice analogy for the question of universal intrinsic perfection.

How can Nazism be perfect? How can torture be perfect? How can children getting cancer be perfect? 

All of these things are ultimately good and pure and perfect. Think about it like this, imagine a man who has a son. He looks at his newly birthed offspring and sees perfection. The baby shits itself, he sees perfection. The son grows and ages and gets into fights at schools, yet the father still only sees perfection in his son. The son gets into trouble with the law, the father still sees perfection. There are positive things and negative things the son does in his life but no matter how badly he fucks up some of the negatives, the very existence of the son is seen as good and wonderful and perfect. (Assuming the dad is functional and loving). 

Even if the son grows up to become the head of an extremist political movement and is responsible for killing 6 million Jews, the sons father will see beauty and goodness throughout. This is the true definition of unconditional love.

What this means is that, while reality can really fuck itself up sometimes, there will always be an immovable, foundational substance, which all relative "evil" takes place on and from, which itself it untainted. 

The sons very existence brings joy to the father even if the sons existence is mired in delusion and hurting other innocent beings. This doesn't mean the father will accept the bad things the son does and won't try to stop the son from doing it...but there will *always be that underlying foundation that no matter how much fucked up shit reality does to itself...it's very existence is perfection. 

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Another brief analogy is looking at some modern art, some of it looks like a complete mess (dark and all fucked up in all random directions) and yet it's still beautiful. This is because the viewer of the art wants the full experience spectrum of emotions, negative and positive. Darkness is as perfect as light but light is the only truly existent one I think.

[Jordan]

Everything is perfect when you stop favoring one thing over another. As your love for what is true approaches infinity, you see what exists is perfection. 

[krazzer]

@Magnanimous

If you say: "This (insert anything here) is not happening perfectly" there is a person who believes something is not happening the way it should be. 

But if you dissolve the ego, the person who is believing that something is not perfect has been removed. 

Perfection then only remains. Things just happen as they do. 

But even perfection is just a word, a concept. From the absolute standpoint there is no perfection, nor imperfection, everything just is.