How women manipulate men

[Majed]

@Leo Gura The question to contemplate becomes: what is the female perspective ? 

[Alexop]

We can build rocketships but cannot understand what a man and what a woman is and how to relate to each  other. Neither red pill tards or far left softies. It just doesn't stop to amaze me. 

Edited May 23 by Alexop

[koops]

wtf is this.

Guys, move into a positive-optimistic perspective.

Blackpill is a trap. Redpill can become one (although it has valuable information and hard truths), but you have to graduate from that and move on.

Learn and APPLY pickup.

And then move into a more 'stage green' paradigm type David Deida or Zan Perrion.

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Alexop said:

We can build rocketships but cannot understand what a man and what a woman is and how to relate to each  other. Neither red pill tards or far left softies. It just doesn't stop to amaze me. 

Indeed! 

We used science to develop rocket ships - we can measure and collect data to understand systems. What's measured makes progress. Its concrete, it's clear.

The trouble with interpersonal relationships, when attempting to understand them from a logical perspective - you can't really measure anything. It all depends on internal interception, emotions, relations. All these things are intangeable and very difficult to measure. 

Which is where good self enquiry and analysis comes in. Know thyself. But how can you see yourself internally with precision, when you own vision is biased? Our brains filter out most information so that we can survive. You don't notice all the little cracks in the sidewalk because if you noticed all these details, you wouldnt pay attention to where you are going. It's been shown the mind fills in gaps and doesn't render what's there. Children are unable to filter out anything, as adults we learn to filter to survive. Children will stop in traffic to look at a tree. Your brain, as an adult, filters when looking at yourself and others. We see what we want to see... We filter relevant details out.

It will always be difficult. This is why looking within, accurately is the only way out... Always go inside 🙏 

 

Edited May 23 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Eskilon]

3 hours ago, Alexop said:

We can build rocketships but cannot understand what a man and what a woman is and how to relate to each  other. Neither red pill tards or far left softies. It just doesn't stop to amaze me.

Of course, human beings are the most complex and sofisticated "thing" that we are aware of.

You cannot predict it, you cannot model it, and that's by design. Because... its CONSCIOUS, it is a miracle.

[gengar]

Owen could have done 2 things since the start of the culture wars in the mid 2010s: Carve out his own niche and seek truth, and guide dating in a healthy balanced way, without all the Russell Brand esque conspiracy matrix bullshit , or ride the MAGA conspiracy wave. He did the 2nd.

He has millions and could have taken the high road. Calling it survival is too broad of a categorization. It's greed, insecurity and lack of epistemology.

Leo and Peter Ralston could have both started a cult or done something like Owen. They both admitted it that they could do it and make 10x of their current business. Yet they stayed true.

[gengar]

3 hours ago, koops said:

wtf is this.

Guys, move into a positive-optimistic perspective.

Blackpill is a trap. Redpill can become one (although it has valuable information and hard truths), but you have to graduate from that and move on.

Learn and APPLY pickup.

And then move into a more 'stage green' paradigm type David Deida or Zan Perrion.

Blackpill ideology is a trap, but there are many truths about it.

At the bottom line, Women's suffrage, liberation and economic empowerment sliced the romantic and sexual propects of men in half. And that's just the hard truth about it.

The reason men fall in these traps is because nothing is done in education to educate about your prospects as a man. Noone in school tells you that chances are pretty high you're unsuccessful and how to cope with that and still live your life.

We are fed propaganda from a young age about love being iffy diffy and that there's a soulmate out there for everyone.

Classic Lib mythology.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, gengar said:

Blackpill ideology is a trap, but there are many truths about it.

At the bottom line, Women's suffrage, liberation and economic empowerment sliced the romantic and sexual propects of men in half. And that's just the hard truth about it.

The reason men fall in these traps is because nothing is done in education to educate about your prospects as a man. Noone in school tells you that chances are pretty high you're unsuccessful and how to cope with that and still live your life.

We are fed propaganda from a young age about love being iffy diffy and that there's a soulmate out there for everyone.

Classic Lib mythology.

While I agree that the women's movement and empowerment has dislodged mens traditional identity and role, I do think you may want to revisit the education system teaching 'highly likely to be unsuccessful'. This definitely would need a reframe. 'Life is hard, you have personal agency. The only thing you can control are your actions' perhaps. 

This doesn't apply to one gender either. It seems these sorts of philosophies need to be taught by a strong masculine role model. And the breakdown of family and cultural units has destroyed a lot of this in the west.

Philosophy, metaphysics and logic isn't even taught in school. I myself hated school. It was a process of attempting to pretzel myself into something to fit society. I am valid just being, fuckers! How many people would come out of the system more whole and equipped to handle life if these subjects were taught! Existential horror is a very real thing most souls face in life, at some time or another. 

I digress though! This topic is about mens identity really, and their journey within finding agency. It's not about men vs women at the heart of it.

Edited May 23 by Natasha Tori Maru

[SwiftQuill]

10 minutes ago, gengar said:

Blackpill ideology is a trap, but there are many truths about it.

At the bottom line, Women's suffrage, liberation and economic empowerment sliced the romantic and sexual propects of men in half. And that's just the hard truth about it.

The reason men fall in these traps is because nothing is done in education to educate about your prospects as a man. Noone in school tells you that chances are pretty high you're unsuccessful and how to cope with that and still live your life.

We are fed propaganda from a young age about love being iffy diffy and that there's a soulmate out there for everyone.

Classic Lib mythology.

Exactly my view. Blackpill as a whole is problematic. But there are important truths in it. It's true that women are hypergamous, care about height, care about status, and care about looks. These things aren't debatable, they have been demonstrated scientifically. "Just be confident bro" doesn't work.

In my opinion the rise of incels and rise of toxic males isn't because of Tates of this world. It's because of liberal retards who promote the bluepill ideology. Bluepill is neither true nor useful. So a lot of men get frustrated and need answers. Even if they aren't the best answers they find partial truths in blackpill and red pill. Blackpill is way too pessimistic (it's all about looks man/it's all about money man/it's impossible for a sub 8/10). And redpill is way too optimistic and also somewhat toxic. But bluepill is 100% wrong so it's no wonder men are disillusioned.

[SwiftQuill]

When any man ever has any issue in any area of his life: "Life is hard, you have personal agency. The only thing you can control are your actions"

When any woman ever has any issue in any area of her life: "because patriarchy so let's destroy the patriarchy and restructure society around you"

[SwiftQuill]

Also it doesn't help that every single time, EVERY SINGLE TIME men try to discuss these topics and seek help they are dismissed as manosphere and alt right and far right and red pill and incels.

You're a male? You have issues? Shut the fuck up.

[Leo Gura]

Shut up and approach.

The solution to all of man's dating problems

[integral]

Key Concepts and Arguments within the Video (Summarized):

1. Shape-shifting: Women adapt their personalities and interests to match the men they are attracted to (1:35).
2. Outspoken "Trad" Girls: The video claims that women who are openly traditional online are often disingenuous and exploiting male fantasies (4:00).
3. Gaslighting: Women gaslight each other to raise their comparative value (5:58).
4. Collective Brainwashing: Women collectively promote narratives (e.g., what they want in a man) that can manipulate men (7:38).
5. Shaming Tactics: Women use shaming to discourage men from adopting certain ideologies (e.g., "red pill") (9:55).
6. "I'm Sorry You Feel That Way": a manipulation tactic that is used in place of an apology (11:29)
7. Lying About Their Nature: Women misrepresent what they truly desire in a partner (12:06).
8. Acting Friendly: Women fake friendships with other women, even when they dislike them (13:04).
9. Leading You On: Women intentionally give mixed signals to keep men interested (14:08).
10. Projecting: Women accuse others of behaviors they themselves are guilty of (15:14).
11. Cosmetics: Makeup artificially inflates women's value and perceived self-worth, disrupting the dating market (15:39).
12. Sabotaging Friends' Relationships: Single women undermine the relationships of their friends (16:58).
13. "Your Mileage May Vary": Women categorize men and treat them differently based on the category (18:19).
14. Playing the Victim: Women portray themselves as victims to gain sympathy (19:16).
15. IV. Tone and Perspective:

The video adopts a cynical and critical perspective on female behavior.

• It uses terms like "manipulation," "tactics," and "game" to frame interactions between men and women.
• There is a strong emphasis on the idea that women are deceptive and that men need to be aware of their "true" nature.
• The tone is often sarcastic and dismissive.
   

--AI

[something_else]

1 hour ago, SwiftQuill said:

Also it doesn't help that every single time, EVERY SINGLE TIME men try to discuss these topics and seek help they are dismissed as manosphere and alt right and far right and red pill and incels.

You're a male? You have issues? Shut the fuck up.

It’s because of the way these guys bring their issues up.

For example, look at the way you write here. You can just feel the whiny shitty energy radiating out of you. Any girl who talks to you in real life will feel it too. I know that’s insulting, and I’m sorry for being so direct, but it’s true.

No girl thinks “oh yea I really want the man whining online about how his life sucks and he’s miserable”. You have to learn to express your issues and problems in a way that’s more eloquent and less toxic. Then people will take you seriously and not label you as a manosphere incel. 

You can absolutely talk about loneliness, shyness or any other emotional topic with girls, or other guys. They’ll be very understanding if you do it in a way that shows even a modicum of social awareness.

The same is also true for women, by the way.

Edited May 24 by something_else

[Princess Arabia]

I couldn't get pass 7mins in.

[Princess Arabia]

Women hype each other up to be supportive, not to seem prettier or to be a higher #. Women don't rate women like men do. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Shut up and approach.

The solution to all of man's dating problems

I mean, this is the solution. It is very obvious! 

It's going to teach them socialisation and that these opinions they have don't reflect reality and lived experience. I just don't think many users are grasping the full ramifications of your advice.

i don't agree with a lot of pickup but approaching is the way...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, SwiftQuill said:

When any man ever has any issue in any area of his life: "Life is hard, you have personal agency. The only thing you can control are your actions"

When any woman ever has any issue in any area of her life: "because patriarchy so let's destroy the patriarchy and restructure society around you"

You totally haven't interacted with enough women!

[SwiftQuill]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

It’s because of the way these guys bring their issues up.

For example, look at the way you write here. You can just feel the whiny shitty energy radiating out of you. Any girl who talks to you in real life will feel it too. I know that’s insulting, and I’m sorry for being so direct, but it’s true.

No girl thinks “oh yea I really want the man whining online about how his life sucks and he’s miserable”. You have to learn to express your issues and problems in a way that’s more eloquent and less toxic. Then people will take you seriously and not label you as a manosphere incel. 

You can absolutely talk about loneliness, shyness or any other emotional topic with girls, or other guys. They’ll be very understanding if you do it in a way that shows even a modicum of social awareness.

The same is also true for women, by the way.

Most BS response I've ever received in this entire forum. And trust me I've received a lot.

You don't get how people turn into guys like me. You don't get it. You think I've always acted this way and communicated this way? I've bent over backwards so many times. I've written intelligent, coherent arguments for my positions. I've been open minded. I've steelmanned people's positions.

What I learned? People don't give 2 shits about your "style". They only care if you agree with them or not.

If I made a really obnoxous unintelligent post insulting all Trump supporters as retards, you would all hop aboard on that train. But if I dare make a coherent post discussing the dynamics of men x women in society and in dating and in general, the default NPC feminist response is "nuh uh Tate bad women good".

So no I absolutely don't buy the "Oh don't you see how edgy and toxic you are? No wonder you're an incel" like seriously you must lack basic empathy skills and basic mind theory skills if you think that's how it works.

It's obnoxious. I can't discuss these topics almost anywhere. On reddit, on r/vent and r/loneliness and all of those vent subreddits, all of them censor you for it. And on most mental health support groups they don't allow it. And any group that exists for men to discuss their issues is always "manosphere" no matter if it's actually quite healthy.

[SwiftQuill]

"women don't like men who whine about their problems online"

Translation: Shut the fuck up don't talk about your issues. And if you do talk about your issues, politely, eloquently, I'm allowed to dismiss you and gaslight you about them.

Give me a fucking break