Humanity Has Failed

[BlessedLion]

Well, today I was contemplating everything that’s happened in Palestine- I’ve come to realize that humanity has utterly failed. There’s really no coming back from this at this point. How the people in power are allowing the torture, starvation of innocent children and women, is shocking to me. Israel does not operate alone, they have a ton of global support apparently. I’m in disbelief. Apparently Israel can just do whatever they want and no one is going to stop them.
 

May the blood stains of their victims remain in their psyche and souls for generations to come. 
 

Sorry Palestine, we have utterly failed you 

Edited Wednesday at 03:38 AM by BlessedLion

[Leo Gura]

Yes. But they have also failed themselves. Terrorism backfires. This is the backfire.

It is not surprising that world governments do not want to fight Israel on behalf of terrorists.

Edited Wednesday at 04:34 AM by Leo Gura

[MsNobody]

I was just seeing this too, unbelievable that this is happening in 2025, so depressing. 

[Someone here]

29 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

I was just seeing this too, unbelievable that this is happening in 2025, so depressing. 

So What I'm about to say may sound very detatched..but this is how i came to peace with such things ..

 these issues as you feel them are very much on a spectrum of potential heaviness or suffering ..."for humans". This doesn't mean these issues are that way "objectively".  They may not even be that much of a big deal to some humans going through them as well.  Yes they can be..but not always.  You also live knowing these things  go on all the time on earth since the beginning of time yet they don't weigh you down each time they happen.  They only impact you when they happen to you or you think about them.

It may start to dawn on you that there is a "indifference" to the world ..like these things are not good or bad as your signature says .This may require more "awakening" to see innately the truth of what I'm saying .. when a murder happens..a dog dies ..a monkey rapes another monkey..a meteor hits a planet . when a galaxy fades.... these are all just reality unfolding perfectly .God knows exactly what is he doing .even if not ..the deepest peace you will ever experience in your life will never come out of anything other than a life or death situation because only then you can see the indifference of the world and how beautiful this indifference actually is .

 

[MsNobody]

@Someone here there is a genocide happening buddy. Would you be so kind to open up a space for us to feel or is it more comfortable to invite us into your world of indifference? 

Children are starving to death for fucks sake, as José Saramago would say - If you have a heart made of steel, ENJOY IT. Mine is made of flesh, and it bleeds every day.

 

[Someone here]

@MsNobody there is nothing I can do to force you understand what I understand. Its pointless until you see with deeper subtlety what I'm pointing towards.  Also.. I'm not talking about a clever re-rationalization of war and crazy shit  from the belief/feeling that they are already negative..but a radical understanding that they aren't those from the get go.  

I am saying suffering.. pain etc..is  a manifestation of God. Of course.. it exists.. and in the meta perspective.. it is God that is responsible for this not American government nor Israel .but we are the limited expression of God  the true nature that I was talking about is devoid of humanness because here's an infinite amount of existence that isn't human. We are just specks here hello 👋 ..why do you not go crying for those ants you crush with your feet everyday? 

Edited Wednesday at 05:54 AM by Someone here

[ExploringReality]

@Someone here

Please, be respectful and sensitive enough of the space being held here. Social media has made us way to soft to say anything we want behind a keyboard without being punched in the face for it. 

[Someone here]

@ExploringReality where is "please "?

Twice .

Edited Wednesday at 06:23 AM by Someone here

[Raze]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes. But they have also failed themselves. Terrorism backfires. This is the backfire.

It is not surprising that world governments do not want to fight Israel on behalf of terrorists.

If busting out of a ghetto and attacking soldiers keeping you there is terrorism because civilians also die, by that standard israel has been a terrorist state since it’s inception.

[Raze]

Things are changing, the UK, Canada, and France put out a statement criticizing it and supposedly are planning on recognizing a Palestinian state, Vance cancelled his visit, and they are facing rising cost of living and increasing brain drain.

The problem is it is slow, it’s basically a race between the public shifting away from supporting them in a large enough quantity that the lobby can’t withhold them, and israel succeeding in destroying Palestinians as a people. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:37 AM by Raze

[Alexop]

Even Swedish government sell weapons to IDF and have Israel apologetic rethorics I

[AION]

It is not that they love Israel and Jews. Their animosity for the brown man is just bigger. 

[yetineti]

@Someone here

If you understand so much more than us than you must realize this is the society section of the forum.

Take your spirituality elsewhere and have some respect.

What you understand is this isn’t your problem.

That isn’t indifference or Love. That’s you having a semantic battle of stoicism.

The game is clear. You are not experiencing the type of indifference Leo speaks of. You are testing an idea in a thread on genocide. Arguably disgusting. 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

by that standard israel has been a terrorist state since it’s inception

Yes, it has.

The Israeli state is one of the few instances I know of where terrorism actually worked out in the group's favor. But it does not seem to work well for Arabs.

Imagine if you were just a peaceful civilian living in Gaza last year. You would hate Hamas. No matter how bad things were before Oct 7th, they are way worse now. It is a mistake to attack a more powerful and shameless opponent in a barbaric way because they will take it out on your people. That's what Israel did. Fair or unfair, it is how psychology and politics works. The bottom line is that when you are weak you are not in a position to dictate terms, and suicide missions will not make you strong.

Edited Wednesday at 02:53 PM by Leo Gura

[nerdspeak]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The Israeli state is one of the few instances I know of where terrorism actually worked out in the group's favor. But it does not seem to work well for Arabs.

Imagine if you were just a peaceful civilian living in Gaza last year. You would hate Hamas. [...] The bottom line is that when you are weak you are not in a position to dictate terms, and suicide missions will not make you strong.

A lot of leftists try to draw an analogy between Hamas and the Viet Cong. The problem with that is that the Viet Cong had the DRV and the USSR and China all funneling weapons to them. The strategic situation was much more favorable. 

Hamas did succeed in putting Gaza back in the center of public discourse, though. Which, I think was their goal.

If they had succeeded in provoking Israel and the US into a regional war with Iran, that could have been a step towards weakening US/Israeli power in the region, because it would have been a debacle worse than Iraq or Vietnam. But it looks like the US avoided falling into that trap. 

To be clear, I am a leftist, but I don't support Hamas. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:00 PM by nerdspeak

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Hamas did succeed in putting Gaza back in the center of public discourse

Not worth it in this case.

[Nivsch]

@BlessedLion Netanyahu and Ben Gvir go against their country's interests for the sake of their personal political survival (Bibi) or their Far Right ideology. Don't do the exact evil generalizations you blame Israelis in. You act just the same now. A large portion of the Israeli political spectrum, Israeli society and many units inside IDF (IDF units' letters wave published during April) go against this war for over a year now.

Edited Wednesday at 03:31 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, it has.

The Israeli state is one of the few instances I know of where terrorism actually worked out in the group's favor. But it does not seem to work well for Arabs.

Imagine if you were just a peaceful civilian living in Gaza last year. You would hate Hamas. No matter how bad things were before Oct 7th, they are way worse now. It is a mistake to attack a more powerful and shameless opponent in a barbaric way because they will take it out on your people. That's what Israel did. Fair or unfair, it is how psychology and politics works. The bottom line is that when you are weak you are not in a position to dictate terms, and suicide missions will not make you strong.

They tried a peaceful protest and they were shot in the knees. The PA gave up fighting and the settlers just increased and became even more violent. So they should just languish in the ghetto and die?

I’m not talking just about Israel’s founding. Their regular military operations are designed to strangle and punish civilians. The very state structure itself is terrorism by definition.

Edited Wednesday at 03:38 PM by Raze

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

So they should just languish in the ghetto

Yes, that's what poor and weak people must do. It's better than what they have now.

Weak people don't get to set terms. That's never how politics works. Yes, Israel was abusive but it was much better than now. It's a foolish idea to attack a lion with a stick. That's what Hamas did. Now we watch the horrible result.

Edited Wednesday at 03:44 PM by Leo Gura

[Raze]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Yes, that's what poor and weak people must do. It's better than what they have now.

 

Most did, Hamas had only 20-40K members out of 2.2 million. Out of millions some will decide if they have to go, they’re going to take someone else down with them.

“The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.” - James Baldwin