I Don't Understand Lower Level People

[SQAAD]

Leo said that when you are on a higher level, you understand those at the lower level of the evolutionary journey.

But i don't find this to always be true..

Many times i interact with people who are like animals.. Very gross Minds.. Very unconscious, Very stuck and sure of themselves.

I don't understand for example how you can be a racist. I have never been a racist.

And what about Liberals who don't understand the conservatives?

And even as young as 8 years old, i never could fully believe what my Stage Blue grandma was saying about being a Literal Hell and Heaven that you go to..

I can sure understand those stuck at atheism because i was one in my early 20s. 

If it wasn't for Leo's work and a profound mushroom trip, i would probably still be an atheist. Because i was all for rationality, evidence, etc.

Edited Tuesday at 07:55 AM by SQAAD

[inFlow]

Rationality and logic can lock you in really hard. Evidence based "Truth" feels super True and Real given that level of epistemology, but once you lift yourself up with consciousness it all melts away. It's not that easy to talk about these problems with other people who think this way. I just ignore them and don't waste energy trying to make them believe what I say. After some time you just understand the stage that they are in and just Love them the way they are. Just like a child who doesn't understand things yet. You just know they will eventually get it, and if not, thats OK too.

Everyone is going home, but at their own pace.

[Basman]

Your probably not actually on a "higher level". Only maybe comparatively in a relative sense but you probably haven't studied psychology and epistemology sufficiently to understand how lower perspectives work.

Everyone overestimates their level of development, maturity, intellect, etc.

Edited Tuesday at 09:24 AM by Basman

[kbone]

25 minutes ago, inFlow said:

Rationality and logic can lock you in really hard. Evidence based "Truth" feels super True and Real given that level of epistemology, but once you lift yourself up with consciousness it all melts away. It's not that easy to talk about these problems with other people who think this way. I just ignore them and don't waste energy trying to make them believe what I say. After some time you just understand the stage that they are in and just Love them the way they are. Just like a child who doesn't understand things yet. You just know they will eventually get it, and if not, thats OK too.

Everyone is going home, but at their own pace.

Yes, rationality and logic (both born of the mind) can lock one in. Typically, the only way it doesn't get lost and doesn't lose its clarity is when it is informed of its tool-like capacity, absolving it of its leadership role. After all, "mind makes for a wonderful tool, but it is a terrible master". In how I'd express it via mind, Truth is only ever SELF-evident and, as such, there is no objective reality, as Consciousness is simply Awareness' movement. 

While it's often a 'good idea' to just ignore peeps lost in their mirage, drinking up the sand of self, on occasion it might be just fine to throw a monkey wrench into the machinations of mind to see what happens. Similar to children, the willingness to 'try' will be met with something of a struggle, and the 'learning' is often the outcome of that trial-and-error. All good. One day, who knows, maybe the Great Letting Go simply happens, and one sees where many of the senseless struggles and all of the suffering came from. FREE, at last.

Everyone is already home; most just don't GNO. It's a mindfield out there, hehe.

[inFlow]

10 minutes ago, kbone said:

"mind makes for a wonderful tool, but it is a terrible master"

What a wonderful quote.

[kbone]

@SQAAD

Interacting with peeps is just the drama. Take it or leave it. Mind is the filter through which such interactions with the world take place. Mind can never outrun or get in front of itself, try as it might. WHAT you are is prior to mind. All battles and misunderstandings happen 'there' in mind, and mind is within what you already are; it is the movement of thought when Awareness touches intellect.

As such, be careful of such 'levels', as it is often a trap of the mind trying to peg 'another's' existence into its own framework of TRUTH. Mind can only be informed of TRUTH, and doesn't GNO TRUTH itself.

[SQAAD]

@Basman

1 hour ago, Basman said:

Your probably not actually on a "higher level". Only maybe comparatively in a relative sense but you probably haven't studied psychology and epistemology sufficiently to understand how lower perspectives work.

Everyone overestimates their level of development, maturity, intellect, etc.

Ok so you understand racism? You have been a racist yourself?

Or you understand someone who is a hardcore conservative?

"Higher level" works only in a relative sense. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:17 AM by SQAAD

[gettoefl]

17 minutes ago, SQAAD said:

@Basman

Ok so you understand racism? You have been a racist yourself?

Or you understand someone who is a hardcore conservative?

"Higher level" works only in a relative sense. 

Why do you care what others believe and how they live.

Would you deny them their sovereignty?

They are doing what seems right and proper based on their upbringing and education.

You are a levelist throwing stones at a racist.

Everyone is fine if you get fine.

They are being racist to teach you how to be fine.

If you awaken, nobody will touch you.

Even better your influence might them actually be of help to others.

[theleelajoker]

In my experience, you have to difdifferentiate between two things:

1. "Low Level" people you hear and read from Media etc without ever having direct experience 
2. Your own real life, first hand direct experience with such people in your personal life 

For everything concerning No.1 - whenever possible, I tend to to ignore it as much as possible and focus what's right in front of me, my direct experience. 

And when I engage with such people you describe in direct communication, and take just a little time and curiosity, non- judgemental attitude, and really listen, something interesting happens: It's impossible to not understand them. Because they open up. They not only tell theirs views their ego has taken (racism, religious dogma) but also why it they have taken this view. And it's always logical (psychological - the name already contains "logic"😂) 

Sometimes I was about to leave a conversation, then suddenly the person added just one more piece of information and everything clicked. 

Context matters (1:1 is different then in a group e.g.) and I am not always in the mood, or equanimous enough. But sometimes I am just curios about people and then magic happens 🪄 

Edited Tuesday at 11:38 AM by theleelajoker

[kbone]

@inFlow

That kind of response usually only comes from a peep who has transcended, at the very least, the brunt of the mind's agenda to control and/or pit itself against itself (i.e., sabotage). Does that ring about right?

Edited Tuesday at 01:22 PM by kbone

[integral]

@SQAAD when you transcend a stage, you should be able to put yourself into that person shoes and fully see the world and think through their eyes. If you can’t do this, then you haven’t transcended it or outgrown it or you could have shadow elements that are blocking you like blind spots that are still at the lower stages.

The problem is you are to judgemental. You cannot fully understand another’s perspective if you’re judging it.

You have to be able to remove your perspective from the equation and your biases, desires, emotions and put them aside momentarily to accurately see from another person’s perspective.

There’s also a bunch of other ways you can figure out how another person thinks. For example, you used to be an atheist so therefore you have a personal experience and that’s how you understand another person’s perspective.

There are other tools available so far we covered 2 of them

Edited Tuesday at 01:49 PM by integral

[inFlow]

25 minutes ago, kbone said:

Does that ring about right?

It does.

[Princess Arabia]

When you get to University level education it means you can understand Kindergarten level. One doesn't belong in University who hasn't passed through kindergarten levels. To understand something at a lower level means you've been pass that stage. Maybe up your level a bit and then they won't seem like lower level but only where they're at. No one criticizes a kindergarten student for not being at University level; it's understood that's where they're at and without judgement.

All your posts shows criticisms and judgements. That's not coming from a higher level but a form of low-level thinking. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:44 PM by Princess Arabia

[Someone here]

I never understood why people judge each other when just by one look "inside yourself " you can see that you are an absolute manic fool who doesn't know Jack what he is doing on this planet . Then if you just apply this realization to include all humans plus the realization that everyone are you ..you will automatically become less judgmental and more loving and you will leave people alone . 

[Breakingthewall]

People aren't low-level, they're limited. It's all about limits. The total absence of limits is total enlightenment. Is this your case? If not, you're limited. Less than some, and more than others.

[kbone]

@inFlow

Buenoooo.

[Hojo]

Thats must mean you arent on the higher level you thought. If you enter a higher level you will be able to understand why everyone is acting like they are. Its very easy to understand why racism could be in someones mind. You have nevr had a racist thought before?

Edited yesterday at 03:20 AM by Hojo