Is this the evolution of polyamory? Aubrey Marcus podcast)

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

The more confident/masculine I am, the more romantic and eventually monogamous I become.

 

Stepping into protection, responsibility, loyalty & strength. Is this something you have noticed within your own personal growth?

It would be interesting if we had anyone here successful with polyamory able to elaborate on their own journey.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It would be interesting if we had anyone here successful with polyamory able to elaborate on their own journey.

Aubrey Marcus joins the chat.

Lol

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Aubrey Marcus joins the chat.

Lol

He should go into Eunuch mode, would brick his personality

 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Natasha Tori Maru I think you would make a great extra wifey for Aubrey. Make it a foursome. You can be our spy from the inside and report back how wonderful it is in there.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Natasha Tori Maru I think you would make a great extra wifey for Aubrey. Make it a foursome. You can be our spy from the inside and report back how wonderful it is in there.

Punani overload

 

[Leo Gura]

@Natasha Tori Maru Let us know when Zeus tells Aubrey that he must impregnant you.

Edited June 5 by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

The more confident/masculine I am, the more romantic and eventually monogamous I become.

Why do you think that is?

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Stepping into protection, responsibility, loyalty & strength. Is this something you have noticed within your own personal growth?

I don’t know, i eventually hope I’ve become more like that than the opposite ahah.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Why do you think that is?

Because romance and refinement is cringe when you unconsciously think you're a social loser, so it’s repressed and push libido to expresses itself in a more manic and archaic manner, it can include polygamy; it is a process present in everyone to some degree and is called neurosis.

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Natasha Tori Maru I think you would make a great extra wifey for Aubrey. Make it a foursome. You can be our spy from the inside and report back how wonderful it is in there.

Makes me think to South Park lol, the episode where the policeman is "infiltrated" among prostitutes.

[Tenebroso]

This is what women want even if it contradicts what they claim they want. If you observe the actions of women unrestricted they naturally choose to become a part of harems for the most powerful men.

[aurum]

59 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

This is what women want even if it contradicts what they claim they want. If you observe the actions of women unrestricted they naturally choose to become a part of harems for the most powerful men.

Highly dubious claim.

Are harems “natural”, or are they a specific, contextual survival strategy?

Edited June 5 by aurum

[Leo Gura]

Maybe it's not what they want but what they will settle for.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Tenebroso said:

This is what women want even if it contradicts what they claim they want. If you observe the actions of women unrestricted they naturally choose to become a part of harems for the most powerful men.

You are so far off from understanding what women actually want... and how male/female relationship dynamics really operate.

Women (on the whole) tend to find a lot of meaning in the mutual single-pointed devotion in monogamous relationship. And deviations from that (from herself or her partner) water down the potency of that meaning.

I only know one woman who genuinely prefers polyamory to monogamy. And that's because her personality is very sexually open. And she would never go for a harem situation where only the guy has multiple partners because she also wants variety.

So, there are poly women who exist. But these poly women tend to want to have multiple partners themselves... and don't prefer some harem situation.

Otherwise, in every other situation that's arisen where a woman I've known has entered into a polyamorous situation (or stayed in a relationship that turned poly) with a guy who has another female partner or who wants an open relationship... she stays with him because she cares about him and doesn't want to break up or lose him.

And the guy is always just some guy... not even a particularly attractive or powerful guy. Just a guy that she's got feelings for and has grown attached to.

And the women I've known who have stayed in this type of poly situations, were doing so at the sacrifice of the type of relationship dynamic that they really wanted and just tried to make do with the polyamorous situation.

But this dynamic just arises from a lack of fidelity to one's own boundaries. There's always a lot of cognitive dissonance to avoid acknowledging one's own boundaries in these kinds of situations. 

[Recursoinominado]

Good analysis. 

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

Good analysis. 

Yeah, that is good.

It is funny though how zero responsibilty is placed on the women.

Like, these two women get to fuck a handsome famous mega-millionaire. And none of that is their fault. They could have shacked up with a thousand other guys, but they just so happen to love the guy who is worth $50+ million and takes them on fun vacations around the globe. He's the evil one and they are just helpless innocent pawns who are being exploited and abused.

Also, all these New Age women believe such fantasies. And that's all okay. But as soon as Aubrey does the same, now all the sudden it's spiritual delusion and 1+1=2. Astrology? -- no problem. Isis telling Aubrey to have children? -- delusion.

The entire field of New Age spirituality is delusion. So they are perfect for each other. As if a monogamous New Age couple would not have equal amount of spiritual delusions about their twin flame soul connection, blah blah blah.

New Age people are not doing truth-seeking, they are doing survival with spiritual flavors. So what you see with Aubrey is spirit-flavored survival, because he never did serious truth-seeking. That's not why he or his girls got into spirituality. They all wanted spiritual flavored survival. So that's exactly what they got.

Edited June 6 by Leo Gura

[BlessedLion]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They could have shacked up with a thousand other guys, but they just so happen to love the guy who is worth $50+ million and takes them on fun vacations around the globe. He's the evil one and they are just helpless innocent pawns who are being exploited and abused.

Good point. I also feel this is overlooked. 
 

Only caveat is when they got married he was fully committing to Vylana which he went back on by doing this. Rich or poor, high status or not, that’s a shitty thing to do and will hurt anyone involved. 
 

Their flavor of spirituality is to feel good and they love to use it to fuel and justify their desires. Pretty straightforward survival mechanism. I love how all this is framed as “sacrifice for Dharma.”  
 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, that is good.

It is funny though how zero responsibilty is placed on the women.

Like, these two women get to fuck a handsome famous mega-millionaire. And none of that is their fault. They could have shacked up with a thousand other guys, but they just so happen to love the guy who is worth $50+ million and takes them on fun vacations around the globe. He's the evil one and they are just helpless innocent pawns who are being exploited and abused.

Also, all these New Age women believe such fantasies. And that's all okay. But as soon as Aubrey does the same, now all the sudden it's spiritual delusion and 1+1=2. Astrology, no problem. Isis telling Aubrey to have sex, delusion.

The entire field of New Age spirituality is delusion. So they are perfect for each other. As if a monogamous New Age couple would not have equal amount of spiritual delusions about their twin flame soul connection, blah blah blah.

Maybe the imbalance of power is what people have issue with? 

Similar to age gap relationships - quite heavily demonised by others who consistently claim the younger partner is being exploited by the older, more experienced one. 

In terms of power dynamics, we could look at dogs - how many toy breeds are so untrained and bite/display aggression. People laugh at them and brush it off. But you have a staffy/bully that bites or has no training, people fucken go nuts and demand extermination.

If you search you will find many conversations firmly reinforcing your points that the women are complicent & choosing this situation. You are looking at it from another angle which adds to the complexity of the whole thing.

Also like attracts like as you state in the last point, they are all narcissistic! 

Do you really think the ENTIRE field of new age is a delusion? I would say that is a bit black and white. 

Edited June 6 by Natasha Tori Maru
Adding I don't consider myself part of the new age movement, and I don't feel any of the people in this situation are innocent!

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

when they got married he was fully committing to Vylana which he went back on

That is a fair point. That does reveal a devilry in his behavior.

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Maybe the imbalance of power is what people have issue with? 

Similar to age gap relationships - quite heavily demonised by others who consistently claim the younger partner is being exploited by the older, more experienced one.

Vylana is nearly 40. What is the power imbalance? She can leave any time. She just doesn't want to. So what are we supposed to do about that? Belittle and shame her online until she feels so bad she leaves?

Women select bad men all the time. Which is why I wasn't so opposed to their arrangement. If I had to spend my time telling women to leave their bad boyfriends, that would be a full time career And the bottom line is, they don't want to leave because they get survival value out of it.

I don't like being in a position where I have to tell a woman to leave a guy because she is deluded and he is bad for her but she really likes him anyway.

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Do you really think the ENTIRE field of new age is a delusion? I would say that is a bit black and white. 

Of course not the entire field. But that culture as a whole has little regard for truth and loves to engage in spiritual rationalizations of their survival behaviors. People join the New Age for the spiritual fantasies. Then shit hits the fan as you can't outrun the truth.

Edited June 6 by Leo Gura