Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Xonas Pitfall]

22 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

@Xonas Pitfall I think you did the explaing work better than me. What you said make sense, i mean, Is something one can feel, grounded writing. Thanks

Hopefully he replies to the explanation . . .

Edited 1 hour ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

if you were truly a caring guru, wouldn’t you want to open education and retreat centers to share that truth with everyone, especially those you consider more vulnerable or emotional? You wouldn’t seek to control or subordinate them. What kind of “God's Love” would that even be?

Because is easy to make outrageous claims speaking to a camera than sayin it looking on the eyes of others. Leo Gura would not survive in a real community with real people bringing in the moment objections. In the videos he answer objections that he thinks people would bring up, but to be honest many of the objections that is brougth for me are at least not that confrontational. In a real community with women, kids, men of various ages ,elders, one would think twice before saying "You was not born from a human, from a mother" 

When one deals with a large group of people face to face is when the test of embodiment is tested. 

[darkspring001]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You can keep talking to him but let him know you're not interested in anything romantical.

Blocking him is being a jerk.

Yes, I think this may be the approach. I just didn’t know if this was an overreaction from my part, because he said he’s had psychosis in the past, and that they have come from taking shrooms. And his only on-set symptoms are hearing things, and night terrors. But he is not in active psychosis, and seemingly lives a functional life.

Edited 54 minutes ago by darkspring001
Adding more context.

[VioletFlame]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Irresponsible people should not have kids.

That's crazy I literally said that exact same thing in the Declining Birth Rate post, lol. That basically I believe it is irresponsible for anyone to have kids if they haven't healed their childhood wounds or are not a fully developed and psychologically mature/conscious adult. Otherwise, it's a thoughtless act because you're not considering the affects it will have on your child. It is wise to heal yourself psychologically and heal your own wounds before bringing a child in this world, absolutely, 100%, because otherwise, you WILL project all of your problems onto them, even if you're not realizing it and you WILL pass down those wounds, traits, & behaviors onto that child. Children are so sacred. If you want to birth a child, think about the life you will give them, before they are here. You most certainly require a visionary mindset. Children absolutely deserve better, and I am a huge advocate for that, however, coming from someone who has overcome trauma & mental illness (read my post/story on how I overcame trauma on my Self-Actualization journey in Mental Illness thread (: ) , I fully believe neuroplasticity is real, too, as I am a living testimony. Most people with mental illness are not a lost cause. There is so much hope and room for growth/improvement that it's actually astonishing. 

 

Edited 51 minutes ago by VioletFlame

[Joseph Maynor]

Can't there only be one God?  This is in reference to Blog Post #427

Edited 46 minutes ago by Joseph Maynor

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The logic of blaming anyone else for our own reaction/conduct doesn't stand. 

Equally you cannot hold a woman responsible for giving birth to xxx type of evil/bad/whathaveyou. Genetics from both sides loades the gun. Environment pulls the trigger.

Women are forced into an awakening to unity through the birthing process. Many integrate it as Love in recognition - and many often reject it. There may not be the same intellectual breakdown of that truth as it is reached through feeling. Typically I see it heavier on the integration side over intellectual understanding. Both are needed though.

I think, Leo, your points regarding raw power are valid. But consider this is a problem (needing to fight wars) born of the solution of men in power (who are used to using force to achieve). Raw power might not even be needed without the problem that created it. 

I'll add that there is a bit of naivety here. Women are absolutely ruthless social manipulators. If raw power is the man's game, the woman's is a subtle game of manipulation behind the scenes. And women had to learn to do this because they were stripped of sovereignty - it was the only way to survive. Social manipulation. 

 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, darkspring001 said:

Yes, I think this may be the approach. I just didn’t know if this was an overreaction from my part, because he said he’s had psychosis in the past, and that they have come from taking shrooms. And his only on-set symptoms are hearing things, and night terrors. But he is not in active psychosis, and seemingly lives a functional life.

Ask him more screening questions. Figure out his childhood trauma and other red flags. You have to cleverly suss out how bad it is.

Edited 41 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Raw power might not even be needed without the problem that created it. 

If human nature was different, raw power would not be needed. But that's another species, not us.

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Because is easy to make outrageous claims speaking to a camera than sayin it looking on the eyes of others. Leo Gura would not survive in a real community with real people bringing in the moment objections. In the videos he answer objections that he thinks people would bring up, but to be honest many of the objections that is brougth for me are at least not that confrontational. In a real community with women, kids, men of various ages ,elders, one would think twice before saying "You was not born from a human, from a mother" 

When one deals with a large group of people face to face is when the test of embodiment is tested. 

Dude, if I had to deal with people face to face I would have been lynched a long time ago.

And then people wonder why Actualized.org is not taught everywhere.

I teach things that will easily get me killed.

I need to live on a remote island.

Edited 37 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think, Leo, your points regarding raw power are valid. But consider this is a problem (needing to fight wars) born of the solution of men in power (who are used to using force to achieve). Raw power might not even be needed without the problem that created it. 

I'll add that there is a bit of naivety here. Women are absolutely ruthless social manipulators. If raw power is the man's game, the woman's is a subtle game of manipulation behind the scenes. And women had to learn to do this because they were stripped of sovereignty - it was the only way to survive. Social manipulation. 

Individual power vs./and relation power.  Definitely.  I've seen both forms of this power used, oven combined, but sometimes not.  I can tell when social manipulation power is really high.  This is the scapegoating power.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If human nature was different, raw power would not be needed. But that's another species, not us.

I agree. 

I think a solution isn't going to entail men or women in power - it's always about balance. Both. It's not like it is just men who are violent. Women are as well.

A man in power with fully integrated feminine is what I want to see.

[Leo Gura]

Doesn't much matter who is in power as long as they are conscious and truthful.

[Yimpa]

19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can't there only be one God?  This is in reference to Blog Post #427

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-427

God is One with Everything

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Doesn't much matter who is in power as long as they are conscious and truthful.

Yep, the fixation on which sex is in power being some magical juju that will fix everything isn't it.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Individual power vs./and relation power.  Definitely.  I've seen both forms of this power used, oven combined, but sometimes not.  I can tell when social manipulation power is really high.  This is the scapegoating power.

A man who knows the social game in and out sorta scares me a bit! 

It's always the men with a fully integrated feminine side that present the most 'threat'. Not that threat is even the right word. Present with the most power, I should say. 

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

A man who knows the social game in and out sorta scares me a bit! 

It's always the men with a fully integrated feminine side that present the most 'threat'. Not that threat is even the right word. Present with the most power, I should say. 

I've seen all forms of this play out.  Sometimes it's a masculine type at the so called helm supported by feminine types that all share power.  That one is very common.  

[Alexop]

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It's always the men with a fully integrated feminine side that present the most 'threat'.  

What do you mean?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Alexop said:

What do you mean?

In the context of the discussion men who have mastery of both axis of power (social manipulation + brute strength). 

But in a wider sense it shows up as a man who can defend without needing to dominate, admit when wrong, express affection openly, lead without ego fragility & creates psychological safety around him. 

I think of it as power + restraint, action + awareness, strength + sensitivity.

It's not about submissiveness, being soft or passive.