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[Alexop]

49 minutes ago, Basman said:

I have a relative who's in her 50s, chronically ill, disabled, jobless, autistic and poor but looks relatively good for her age. She recently got happilly married to a well off guy who's a decade younger.

If she was a man there be no way lmao 😭 Bro would be single till the rapture. 

It is awkward that we even have to discuss this. You can basically have the world at your feet right now as an attractive woman. You can find a rich, smart, kind guy that will fix your survival forever. You can buy hinge premium or whatever and screen through 10000 guys all-over the world until you find the conscious, rich one who can't wait to take care of you.

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[Basman]

59 minutes ago, Alexop said:

It is awkward that we even have to discuss this. 

Because it is easiest to just ignore facts that undermine one's ideology and act like they are not real. Otherwise you would be forced to reconsider your beliefs. 

I said it before, the most ideological people on this forum are progressive people. They can be so pigheaded it's embarrassing. I think they see themselves as superior so they think they don't have to check their epistemics, which is by the way a big reason why woke got so big among academics and elites. The managerial class get to feel morally superior while completely ignoring general systemic inequality (class). Also big reason why Twitter and Reddit psychos are so "liberal". They never miss a cheap gotcha. 

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[Nemra]

From my observations of religious and cult followers, they confuse awakening with a hypnotic state.

They love that state because it's not ordinary; it's something that they can anchor themselves to. It's their proof that they are on the right path.

Of course they are right! 

Hypnosis works!

However, they don't understand that in hypnotic states, the mind is very suggestible, which is the purpose of hypnosis. What makes those people hooked is the intense emotional experiences and clarity of who they are and their own purpose with those suggested ideas that hypnosis can provide. Hypnosis is an unconscious method because you don't use your metacognition and yet ideas are installed in your mind, which is not to say it's bad. But those people don't understand that.

It's an intelligent trickery.

People believing in BS doesn't say much.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Here’s a interesting article that interviews transgender men (women who transitioned to male) discussing the differences in their lives now that they became male

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/07/20/feature/crossing-the-divide-do-men-really-have-it-easier-these-transgender-guys-found-the-truth-was-more-complex/

https://archive.md/2nqYc

 Great read, thanks for sharing.

@Basman  the longer a cognitive bias is present the more embedded it becomes. The bias is feeding a belief founded on feeling and emotion, repetition & reward. And like you raised, it becomes a cognitive shortcut that never gets challenged. Shame is usually a key driver, but these sorts of thinking patterns also serve a sense of competence, belonging and control.

The shame factor comes into it when the belief is tied to an identity that makes being wrong feel being being 'less'. Which is a threat. And threat management is probably the dominant driver once identity is involved like this....

 

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Alexop said:

It is awkward that we even have to discuss this. You can basically have the world at your feet right now as an attractive woman. You can find a rich, smart, kind guy that will fix your survival forever. You can buy hinge premium or whatever and screen through 10000 guys all-over the world until you find the conscious, rich one who can't wait to take care of you.

The issue with that is women’s actual desires.

They are attracted to the confident smooth fun guy, not the boring rich guy. They also want to be treated kindly, but will often find the kind guys behavior simping and lame.

Its a bit like imagine as a guy you had tons of girls you thought were ugly but they were trying to buy your affection with money and kindness, but the only girls you were attracted to were seeing a bunch of other guys and were mean to you. 

They’re also passive so they’re often at the whim of others direction. 

Attractive women sometimes have some of the most frustrating dating lives despite all the options.

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[Alexop]

39 minutes ago, Raze said:

The issue with that is women’s actual desires.

They are attracted to the confident smooth fun guy, not the boring rich guy. They also want to be treated kindly, but will often find the kind guys behavior simping and lame.

Its a bit like imagine as a guy you had tons of girls you thought were ugly but they were trying to buy your affection with money and kindness, but the only girls you were attracted to were seeing a bunch of other guys and were mean to you. 

They’re also passive so they’re often at the whim of others direction. 

Attractive women sometimes have some of the most frustrating dating lives despite all the options.

There are rich, kind, attractive guys around. It is not like if he is rich he automatically has to be a simp or ugly

[Davino]

Creating shorts and reels is a lot like having kids, the people who probably should do it more often are usually the least interested.

[Raze]

24 minutes ago, Alexop said:

There are rich, kind, attractive guys around. It is not like if he is rich he automatically has to be a simp or ugly

That’s not that common. Usually at best they’re physically decent but still a simp and she’s just in denial about it.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

The issue with that is women’s actual desires.

They are attracted to the confident smooth fun guy, not the boring rich guy. They also want to be treated kindly, but will often find the kind guys behavior simping and lame.

Its a bit like imagine as a guy you had tons of girls you thought were ugly but they were trying to buy your affection with money and kindness, but the only girls you were attracted to were seeing a bunch of other guys and were mean to you. 

They’re also passive so they’re often at the whim of others direction. 

Attractive women sometimes have some of the most frustrating dating lives despite all the options.

In general women with attachment issues are attracted to the fun charismatic guy, or men with dark triad traits. It isn't as clear cut as put above. Goes for both sexes.

Securly attached women (or people) will be attracted to the 'boring' dude. Other types of women don't have a healthy idea of what love is, so mistake other traits for it and self filter out the best, healthiest men. The same goes for men also. 

If I am not mistaken approx 30% of the population has secure attachment. 

A lot of red pill and pickup relies on attraction techniques that only attract women with these trends of issues with attachment. It effectively filters out healthy women - leading to confirmation bias this is 'what women are attacted to'. 

In reality, it's not as simple or clear cut.

 

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[Raze]

24 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

In general women with attachment issues are attracted to the fun charismatic guy, or men with dark triad traits. It isn't as clear cut as put above. Goes for both sexes.

Securly attached women (or people) will be attracted to the 'boring' dude. Other types of women don't have a healthy idea of what love is, so mistake other traits for it and self filter out the best, healthiest men. The same goes for men also. 

If I am not mistaken approx 30% of the population has secure attachment. 

A lot of red pill and pickup relies on attraction techniques that only attract women with these trends of issues with attachment. It effectively filters out healthy women - leading to confirmation bias this is 'what women are attacted to'. 

In reality, it's not as simple or clear cut.

 

I would say insecure attachment can lead to attraction to extreme versions of that or bad behavior.

Dark triad traits mimic the high status behavior. I don’t think most women are specifically attracted to dark triad for its own sake.

Pickup can select for this in some cases as well particularly the more extreme tactics like negging or jealousy plot lines. That is a serious issue with it.

But I doubt even securely attached women are attracted to the boring guy.

Frankly a lot of the time I hear women excuse it based on attachment it just sounds like they were just drawn to those guys and got tired of being strung along so they settled later, and just reframed it as they healed the attachment or something. 

At best they don’t select based on attraction as much as others. So the boring guy succeeds with a subtler or less attractive traits but positive traits otherwise.

For example a very shy neurotic girl with little experience probably only needs a small amount of value, so even a shy boring guy could be exciting to her just because he’s a man and slightly bolder than she is. So instead she is focusing on traits that relax her nervous system like predictability and kindness.

There are forms of pickup all about just being honest and vulnerable and even nice, and you can usually see those guys results is they take a lot of rejections and end up with a girl below their league, probably this is why since she’s the one where their default is already attractive enough, and such couples probably have better odds for a long term relationship. 

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