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Keep up your great work on IG. I loved the Skyrim brain! 🧠 @Leo Gura

[StaraX]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That you even ask this question demonstrates the problem.

Many feminist women don't even see their privilege.

Who fights the wars?

Who does the most dangerous job?

Who does the most backbreaking and dirty labor?

Who are the women using to do their dirty-work for them?

Who can't act cute and innocent and get away with things?

Who has to be the provider?

Who has to carry the burden of leadership?

Who gets automatic custody of children?

Who gets automatic alimony?

Who gets to be sexually irresponsible and then blame it all on men?

@Lila9 Also, if a woman is an 8 or above in terms of looks, she has more privileges than the majority of men do. Pretty much in all areas of life. It’s quite concerning to be blinded by an ideology to the point where you’re unable to see some basic facts in this day and age.

[Lila9]

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

You are modifying the meanings of concepts just to fit your arguments. That is literally the meaning of matriarchy: "women on top".

No, I already sent you the meaning of matriarchy in other topic.

This is not about women on top. This more about more egalitarian society that doesn't repress the feminine energy. That solves the issues people are dealing with in the modern world like loneliness and mental health.

You insist that this is something that it isn't. Have you even took a look or you just automatically respond without thinking?

 

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

No, mens biology tends to heavily objectify anything. You say that feminism does not push for erasing the biological differences but then you yourself argue for it.

I tell you a story. My sister used to dress her dolls and say stuff like:"she is tired today, i will put her to bed". Then I come and take her doll and rip it apart just to understand how it was built. She started crying telling mom that i killed her doll.

This is normal for kids to be curious playful and experimental.

I also "killed" dolls because I simply disliked them they brought me the uncanny valley effect and scared me. But it doesn't mean that I see humans as mere objects and treat them like that.

 

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

Maybe some of these ones: women have such an abundance of choice in the dating market due to social media and dating apps that most men feel invisible even if they are above average in looks and other traits. Women have now overwhelmingly the upper hand in the dating market. Women can more easily make friends. Women can use their beauty to get all sorts of kudos nowadays. Sometimes when I am dating I feels like an unemployed worker with a weak CV in front of a turbo-capitalist employer. I have to walk on egg shells in order not to be opted out, because I have such low leverage. She basically can tell whatever the fuck she wants but if I say something that upsets her I am out. Because she has 10 more men waiting in line. 

Abundance of sex? Sure, but what type of sex? Mediocre to low quality, with the potential for abuse, pregnancy, and disease.

However, if you talk about intimate relationships with men, it is not easy for women to find men who are really open enough and mature enough to love them for who they are.

Beautiful women often get a lot of hate from both men and women because of fear and jealousy. People assume that because a woman is beautiful, her life is extremely easy. This is true to some extent, but it also has many downsides.

I recommend watching the movie Malèna, starring Monica Bellucci, to understand the downsides and the loneliness of being a beautiful woman.

People love you for your appearance, but nobody cares about your soul.

Women want to hurt you, and men want to be with you only to signal status among other men and raise their own self-esteem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

And this is for @Leo Gura give me a break with doing pickup in the clubs. I dont like those girls. They are ugly as fuck on the inside and outside. I am looking for a relationsip with a mature woman not just sex with a kid. I had enough sex. And cold approach in the city is not as easy as it seems, there are very few attractive women walking around. Maybe only of you cold approach in NY or something like that but I dont like living in such oversized shitholes. And I don't like building social circles either. I don't like to eat 1 ton of social shit from immature idiots just so that maybe they will introduce me one day to a cute girl. Dating is hard for men today!

There are plenty of privileges men have but those are getting fewer and fewer due to the raise of feminism which puts the feminine perspective above the masculine.

Dating is hard for everyone in this capitalistic, neoliberal, individualistic, and patriarchal society, not for men in particular.

I think that men push back toward “traditional” patriarchal gender roles because those benefited men more. Women don’t accept them because they have the freedom not to.

Men want women to regress and lose their freedom and autonomy in order to control women and maintain their male privilege, but women want equality and connection.

When men lose their privilege of thousands of years, it feels like a loss, while actually it is a win-win for both genders. But many men are too myopic and selfish to see that.

 

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

What? In the same way I can say this about women: Women are governed by conformity and feelings. Feelings are corrupting their perception of truth. Lol

I was being sarcastic to demonstrate how silly it is to think that men care more about the truth. Some people care about the truth, others don’t, regardless of their gender.

9 hours ago, Alexop said:

No, most feminists do not understand masculinity and therefore the masculine perspective. You might want to make men better but the results can be the opposite. Because again, men are not women. Men develop through challenges and accountability not just feel this feel that. I see moms raising their boys through the feminine lens leading them into a failed life. They become unattractive, shy, unmotivated nerdy whimps not the gentle and mature men you wish for. Careful what you wish.

 

The problems you radical feminists are pointing to are mostly because we have too much toxic masculinity not masculinity. But you dont understand healthy masculinity. You mistake healthy masculinity for femininity. This is a crucial distinction you have to learn. Until then, all your actions will lead to more misogyny, shitty relationships, immature boysh men, hatred towards the opposite sex, mental illness, loneliness. Good luck 🤞.

Have you ever read at least one feminist book?

As a feminist, I want men to finally take accountability and grow through challenges, but many men don’t want this.

They want to remain toxic, lost in their lust and victim delusions, preferring an easy and convenient life with a small and insecure woman who never challenges them and always serves them.

They want to do harmful things to their loved ones and other people without taking accountability. They want children, but they can’t tolerate raising them or being a proper father figure. Does that sound familiar?

I would suggest to view feminism as a force of nature, resisting an artificial and abusive structure called patriarchy. Mother nature has her fights, nothing harmful goes without a backlash.

“Feminism is hated because women are hated. Antifeminism is a direct expression of misogyny; it is the political defense of woman hating.”
― Andrea Dworkin, Right-Wing Women

 

[aurum]

26 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

“Feminism is hated because women are hated. Antifeminism is a direct expression of misogyny; it is the political defense of woman hating.”
― Andrea Dworkin, Right-Wing Women

This is a self-sealing belief though.

It assumes all pushback against feminism is actually due to misogyny, which therefore justifies feminism.

She might as well have wrote: "all critiques of my position are wrong because my position is right".

Feminism, like any ideology, has its problems and is not above critique.

[Lila9]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That you even ask this question demonstrates the problem.

Many feminist women don't even see their privilege.

Who fights the wars?

Who does the most dangerous job?

Who does the most backbreaking and dirty labor?

Who are the women using to do their dirty-work for them?

Who can't act cute and innocent and get away with things?

Who has to be the provider?

Who has to carry the burden of leadership?

Who gets automatic custody of children?

Who gets automatic alimony?

Who gets to be sexually irresponsible and then blame it all on men?

The men who fight in wars and do dangerous jobs are often very young or poor. Everyone “benefits” from their labor, especially the rich, who are mostly men.

I value men who do difficult work and wish they were better protected. I’m tired of hearing about construction workers dying because safety is sacrificed for profit. 

If most wealth and resources are hoarded by men, they should eventually be shared. If men don’t want the burden of being a provider, then they should support equal pay for women, including for their invisible labor.

Women also carry leadership burdens at home, but this labor is invisible. Also, men push women out of leadership roles due to bias.

Women often get custody simply because many men don’t ask for it.

Raising children is labor, and if men don’t want to raise the children they helped bring into the world, the least they can do is pay alimony.

Society often excuses men’s sexual irresponsibility while judging women for the same.

[Lila9]

6 hours ago, Tristan12 said:

On top of all of that, onlyfans.

The fact that beautiful women who have zero skills, intelligence, character, work ethic, etc. can just sell pictures of their body online and rake in millions of dollars per year, with very little effort. Men don't have that opportunity.

The average OnlyFans model earns $180 per month.

Also, when there are women in society who would sell their bodies, this says a lot about the poverty and lack of decent opportunities women have to earn money.

[Lila9]

10 minutes ago, aurum said:

This is a self-sealing belief though.

It assumes all pushback against feminism is actually due to misogyny, which therefore justifies feminism.

She might as well have wrote: "all critiques of my position are wrong because my position is right".

Feminism, like any ideology, has its problems and is not above critique.

No. It assumes that feminism is automatically hated because women are hated.

There is a distinction between criticism and hatred. The quote refers to hatred.

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, StaraX said:

@Lila9 Also, if a woman is an 8 or above in terms of looks, she has more privileges than the majority of men do. Pretty much in all areas of life. It’s quite concerning to be blinded by an ideology to the point where you’re unable to see some basic facts in this day and age.

People have viewed me as pretty since childhood, and I never received the ultra privilege men are talking about.

In some aspects, my life was easy, but I have also suffered a lot because of my appearance.

I suffered so much that I tried to intentionally uglify myself.

I have a lived, direct experience as a pretty girl.

Every “free gift” came with expectations and interest.

No one likes you for who you are, and nobody cares about who you are either.

 

[aurum]

26 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

No. It assumes that feminism is automatically hated because women are hated.

There is a distinction between criticism and hatred. The quote refers to hatred.

That distinction does exist, but it's usually not made in practice.

For most people, criticism = hatred. Because in order to see criticism as not hatred, you have to see the criticism as valid. 

If there are valid critiques of feminism that are not equivalent to hatred, then what are they?

Edited 46 minutes ago by aurum