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[CARDOZZO]

Bryan Johnson's 27mg Mushrooms Trip Report

I don't know what to make out of Bryan. Mixed signals.

Edited 4 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[LoneWonderer]

14 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Bryan Johnson's 27mg Mushrooms Trip Report

I don't know what to make out of Bryan. Mixed signals.

Sounds like something Leo would've said. Bryan is quite a unique grounded guy. Unique for a centi millionaire that is. His business is about empowering people instead of enslaving them, and I can roll with that any day of the week. The trip report rocks!

For someone who's got millions in the bank sounds like he found the REAL gold! 😉

Edited 3 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It's wrong to manipulate people

Oh hell yeah 

One really fucked up thing I have seen with the red pill / manosphere ideology? It is so insidious to deal with because it begins as an ideology - but the further you dive into it the wording becomes about making in an identity. As soon as this happens it becomes really difficult to dislodge and argue against with reason because the person feels they are defending their character rather than an idea or concept. As soon as anything is perceived as attacking, or even just questioning character, its the easiest way to polarise someone against any further dialogue. Even when you have valid points. Of course less developed people will claim and identify with their ideas as part of 'ego' - but the longer these guys are in the red pill world the further it slips into an identity. 

That sort of thinking where 'we're the ones who see it clearly, outsiders don't understand or are blind/stuck in matrix' starts to get into identity capture territory. And that is EXACTLY how you get brainwashed and indoctrinated into cults etc. Like if you drop the belief your whole identity falls apart. People have no idea it is brainwashing because they have this cartoon idea of what brainwashing is. But these days with social media and algorithms its a slow, drip fed info stream that gradually shifts internal structure. 

And then trying to convince them they have been fooled? Well. That's why my signature exists

Cheers for the vid + post!

[bazera]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

That sort of thinking where 'we're the ones who see it clearly, outsiders don't understand or are blind/stuck in matrix' starts to get into identity capture territory. And that is EXACTLY how you get brainwashed and indoctrinated into cults etc.

Andrew Tate saying he is from another dimention, that he is Morpheus and is here to save young guys from the Matrix, is just so ridiculous. How is anyone so gullible to fall into that? I guess the answer is need for sex and money. People's need for sex and money is so great that they blindly listen to these fools.

These Red Pilled guys would look at Actualized and say it's a cult, and then turn to Andrew Tate for advice for getting out or a Matrix, LOL. It's so backwards.

31 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

And then trying to convince them they have been fooled?

I've tried that, and I have to say your signature speaks the truth  I've given up on that.

33 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Like if you drop the belief your whole identity falls apart.

Yeah and since nobody explained the psychology of identity and the role of belief systems in their epistemology and the importance of it, they just defend it blindly. 

I want to see Andrew Tate taking 5-meo-DMT just to see how his behavior would change  He'll probably double down on his bullshit. 

[Davino]

7 hours ago, integral said:

Basically it's like saying we need a drug to make women logical. It would be that difficult. 😂

It's called an autistic female

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@bazera I see you've confronted and tried with these types also. 

Once you see it - lets just say we learn to pick our battles 🥹

25 minutes ago, bazera said:

Yeah and since nobody explained the psychology of identity and the role of belief systems in their epistemology and the importance of it, they just defend it blindly. 

@Leo Gura get on it - make some millions and go hard advocating/campaigning for epistemology being taught in schools! It's a wild dream. The campaign would be the most difficult part because you would be convincing the stakeholders who have the power to change policy... with the same epistemic tools they themselves lack 💀

25 minutes ago, bazera said:

I want to see Andrew Tate taking 5-meo-DMT just to see how his behavior would change  He'll probably double down on his bullshit. 

It's so hard to judge this, isn't it? 

Edited 46 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Davino]

45 minutes ago, bazera said:

I want to see Andrew Tate taking 5-meo-DMT just to see how his behavior would change  He'll probably double down on his bullshit. 

I don't think so with 5meos, but with LSD surely he would.

[bazera]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I see you've confronted and tried with these types also. 

Yeah couple friends who read Red Pill books (probably their 2nd book that they've read in life after high school) and were trying to convince me that those ideas would change my life. It's so easy to make money off of young guys with targeting their most basic survival needs. The ideology gets into their head very easily when they are not used to questioning.

32 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It's so hard to judge this, isn't it? 

When I look at Mike Tyson's interviews where he describes his 5meo trips, he looks genuinely changed, he mentions rebirth and transformation experienses that changed him fundamentally. So maybe there's chance for Tate as well, maybe he'll get less egomaniac as he ages and thinks of his death more.