Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

the people smart enough to see how this technology will impact society are the builders of AI. 

There is no reasoning with Tech Bros. They are drunk on greed and power and sci-fi fantasies. They have no solutions for wealth inequality or redistribution. They are politically clueless. Like Musk and Zuckerberg.

Edited Monday at 03:07 AM by Leo Gura

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura Its already affecting tons of people.

Sure 95% unemployment has not occurred YET.

But for someone trying to come up with a vision or career...

Trying to maneuver around what will STILL be viable and NOT obsolete in 7-15 years.

It's challenging and scary already.

And if you just "pick" something and it goes to waste in 2 years lol.

 

Now is the best time to lose absolutely all attachments and be as mentally flexible as possible. Pivot hard and fast. 

 

Edited Monday at 03:22 AM by PenguinPablo

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

It's challenging and scary already.

Yes, I know.

Sorry, I don't have a reassuring answer for you guys. We are entering unknown-land.

But be careful with doomerism, as you could blackpill yourself on the future and miss out on good opportunities.

Edited Monday at 03:41 AM by Leo Gura

[Extreme Z7]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But be careful with doomerism, as you could blackpill yourself on the future and miss out on good opportunities.

We should be thinking about ways A.I. can actually support or even create jobs. Easier said than done, of course. But then again, most things are.

[Extreme Z7]

Or a stupid meta-solution: We can ask the super-AI how to help humans avoid extinction. 

[UpperMaster]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I know.

Sorry, I don't have a reassuring answer for you guys. We are entering unknown-land.

But be careful with doomerism, as you could blackpill yourself on the future and miss out on good opportunities.

 

Should discovering my life purpose and pursuing it still be a priority?
Or would it be wiser to first focus on finding a good job and making a lot of money?

You once said the ideal path is a balance of both, but in today’s world, it feels like the smarter move might be to first aim for financial success and get into the top 5%. That way maybe I am more safe to practice other things like spirituality and life purpose knock on wood. 

 

Plus you said it yourself, AI devoids people of purpose. Maybe I should just focus on money then no?

 

Edit: Seems like you answered my question already as you said you don't know how to maneuver through this. Mb for asking.

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:48 AM by UpperMaster

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I haven't had a chance to listen to the AI link in the blog post

Does it touch on the huge WATER and power use?

All that cloud computing - even as the first google hit now... I haven't used google in a while, but I have seen AI is the top hit.

Jobs get lost to AI, water and power usage would explode

 

[Extreme Z7]

1 hour ago, UpperMaster said:

Plus you said it yourself, AI devoids people of purpose. Maybe I should just focus on money then no?

Not so sure about that, money is an imaginary resource. If the economy gets destroyed, money is useless.

It might be. . .might be. . .wiser to focus on developing something internal or tangible.

[Wilhelm44]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, if we ever reach 95% unemployment, that's WW3.

95% unemployment is the end times. That is a doomsday scenario.

It was a post about AI doomerism. Not some hippie UBI pipedream. AI doom means we all dead.

I am not saying it's going to happen, I am imagining worst case scenarios if super AGI.

You should think through what super AGI means for employment.

@Leo Gura  If 95% unemployment will lead to WW3, the whole planet is screwed, including the tech bros. 

What makes you so certain that UBI won't become a reality ?  (out of pure practical necessity)

The first time I heard the concept, was from Andrew Yang, who himself comes from the tech world. 

Giving money to unemployed citizens is not a new thing, ie the dole in the UK for example.

Plus if AI truly lives up to its potential, UBI should be quite easy to achieve.

[Ulax]

I don’t see why extremely high unemployment leads to ww3. However, I do worry that it would lead to a mass loss of purpose for many people. And that is serious. Plus too much free time could make crime go up maybe but that is just speculation from me.

I guess one counter argument is that people will engage in their hobbies and interests such as the arts and painting and the like. But those sorts of things only appeal to certain personality types imo and moreso women. Sort of reminds me of when some governments started running ‘learn to code’ programmes. Here, to my understanding, they would try and get laid off industrial workers to learn to code instead and it seemingly didn’t go very well because it didn’t fit the profile of the worker.

4 day work week could be cool though. 

[Aether Phoenix]

@Leo Gura, I honestly don’t follow your conclusion that a super-intelligent AI inevitably leaves humanity purposeless. If people no longer need to work for survival, they could devote themselves to collective self-development and spirituality—sharing insights, exploring consciousness, and building communities around growth. In that scenario, the majority would likely gravitate toward deeper learning and collaboration rather than languishing without purpose.

 

Moreover, sources like Bashar and some other psychics suggest that ETs are scheduled to arrive in 2027 to help us manage these sweeping changes. It seems that all these events around ETs cannot be coincidence, let’s see.  If extraterrestrial guidance comes online just as automation reshapes our economy, we might receive new frameworks for planetary resource management and social organization—perhaps something akin to unconditional basic income on a global scale. Yes, such a shift could trigger confusion and even conflict in the short term, but it also opens the door to radically reimagining human potential. 

 

Ultimately, I see a path where AI liberates us from mundane tasks and usher in an era of exploration—both inner and outer.
In that light, the future looks far more promising than one defined by mass unemployment and existential despair.

[gettoefl]

My suggestion to achieve financial independence is you just need to build a savings pot of $1 million and then live the 4% rule, which means you can safely withdraw $40,000 a year (an amount that increases by inflation each year) indefinitely into the future.

This might sound far-fetched but starting early and being consistent makes it highly attainable. Many are already on such a path by saving a good amount, investing smartly (usually in index funds), and keeping expenses well-managed.

The FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) movement has thriving communities that can guide and inspire you, so check out the reddit subs r/FIRE, and its offshoots like r/leanfire (for minimalist lifestyles) or r/baristafire (where you partially retire with a light income stream).

No matter your current income and no matter your future employment prospects, there’s likely a version of FIRE that can bulletproof your financial security, with a bit of planning, discipline, and time.

-AI

[Something Funny]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I know.

Sorry, I don't have a reassuring answer for you guys. We are entering unknown-land.

But be careful with doomerism, as you could blackpill yourself on the future and miss out on good opportunities.

Technically, nothing worse than what had already happened to humans can't happen. We've already had famines, wars, pandemics, torture.

People are dying and suffering as is, without AI. So the only difference is that this particular issue might affect me/us personally. Which is kind of fair, why should we be the lucky ones.

[AION]

Saying AI is the end of humanity is like saying the invention of cars is the end of horses, or the invention of computers the end of certain jobs. Yes, it is partially true but humans will need to adapt like they always did or die trying. A lot won’t be able to comply with change. That is true. Spirituality will be so key for this generation to be able to let go of old paradigms and accept new paradigms. Most people think spirituality is lovey-dovey. No. Spirituality is warfare. 

Edited Monday at 12:43 PM by AION

[Alex4]

massive taxation and welfare checks is the solution. 

[Joshe]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You should think through what super AGI means for employment.

Yeah bro, I have. In your doom scenario of 95% unemployment, which will never happen, the capitalist system would collapse and necessitate a new system. Obviously. I was wondering if you had any advanced ideas on what the restructuring might look like. It sounds like in your mind, restructuring isn't worth considering. Got it.

 

[Joshe]

Also, to anyone worried about jobs, you might look into getting into the trades like HVAC, electrical, etc. These guys are making insane money, especially if you run your own business. I know a guy who routinely makes 2-4k per day installing heating and air systems. I'm doing his marketing for him. Which is another job that AI will not be able to manage for quite some time. So, trades and local marketing seem like good ideas. 

I'm into coding, so what I'm doing is building out entire digital infrastructures that will allow me to quickly scaffold out any app that I need. This will be my toolkit for business solutions. You no longer have to be an advanced programmer to do this stuff. I mean, you have to have some knowledge, but you can simply work with Claude Code in your terminal, which has full access to your system and project files, and you just tell it what you want it to do. 

Having AI in the terminal is a game changer. 

Edited Monday at 02:14 PM by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, gettoefl said:

My suggestion to achieve financial independence is you just need to build a savings pot of $1 million and then live the 4% rule, which means you can safely withdraw $40,000 a year (an amount that increases by inflation each year) indefinitely into the future.

Inflation alone is 7% and you have to pay tax on interest. Good luck with that.

Edited Monday at 03:51 PM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Aether Phoenix said:

they could devote themselves to collective self-development and spirituality—sharing insights, exploring consciousness, and building communities around growth. In that scenario, the majority would likely gravitate toward deeper learning and collaboration rather than languishing without purpose.

This is a fantasy.

Without employment humans will devolve into drug addicted animals, not enlightened sages.

Do not assume that billionaires will give you any of their money.

If you are not employed you have no way of making money. Do not assume that you are unemployed but you magically have money.

Edited Monday at 04:28 PM by Leo Gura

[Miguel1]

Leo is right here,

Without employment (survival is deeply threatened + lots of free time), people will triple down on being people: unconscious, selfish, bullshitting & immature animals.

And yes, why would the rich just give away their money? They are the epitome of selfishess. They got to where they are because of their selfishness.

All this time, they could have given their money to the underdeveloped countries and starving children, but they didn't.