Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[LoneWonderer]

9 minutes ago, integral said:

@Leo Gura Most people are doing jobs they hate, a very small percentage of people <0.01% are doing meaningful fulfilling work, So I don't think unemployment is the problem for an AI take over.

There is still plenty of things to enjoy and have fun in life, competition like chess is still fun even after AI solved it. The dream is fun... for people who don't have health problems.

The real problem I think will be corruption as usual, People like Trump and Putin couldn't care less about a Utopia of abundance, they will corrupt and climb whatever ladder they can.

There will be no Utopia. 

The only reason the government supports the quality of life of the average person is because those people are necessary to help support the power structure, the moment the average person is useless the people in power do not need them anymore.

I think the biggest risk is the massive power imbalance.

The government will not give companies less power.

Good take

[Eskilon]

10 minutes ago, integral said:

Most people are doing jobs they hate, a very small percentage of people <0.01% are doing meaningful fulfilling work, So I don't think unemployment is the problem for an AI take over.

There is still plenty of things to enjoy and have fun in life, competition like chess is still fun even after AI solved it. The dream is fun... for people who don't have health problems.

Yeah, even if the usual challenge and struggles of the human life is over, there's still the whole universe to explore. Space exploration will never cease. We will go meta on this planet.

Humans will never stop being curious, so there will be no shortage of meaning and purpose as we eventually go meta on the worlds we will explore. 

Edited June 1 by Eskilon

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, integral said:

There is still plenty of things to enjoy and have fun in life, competition like chess is still fun even after AI solved it. The dream is fun... for people who don't have health problems.

My point is much deeper than that.

Unemployed people have no way to pay for food, rent, and things.

A society with 95% unemployment will not be a utopia of abundance. It will be 5% of people with money to buy stuff and 95% of people are broke.

No one is going to just had out trillions of dollars to unemployed people. The UBI thing is a fantasy.

People will just slowly lose their jobs and fall into poverty and meaninglessness while the rich get richer.

Edited June 1 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Humans will never stop being curious

There is no point in being curious if AI can tell you the answer to any curiosity.

It's like doing PhD research on a problem that has already been solved.

Edited June 1 by Leo Gura

[shenanigans]

Sure, it's unideal in the short term, but in the long term--like a few hundred years down the road--would it not create a perfect mystic society?

I mean think about it

All of human civilization becomes one giant, superpowered Ashram

We have ultra-psychedelics, uber supplements, gene modding, and every kind of technology working with you to make you and every human a Godly hyperintelligent Mega-Yogi

All Food becomes high-quality with perfectly breed animals for optimal health and taste, which get to live out great lives from ultra-lush farms --  You can even give the animals a beautiful virtual matrix, and the same resources as humans for awesome quality of life

If you're extroverted, everyone has the free time to party and socialize till the sun comes up, and gets to travel to super cities designed to be even more expressive than Vegas, and you then get to go to a group meditation retreat afterwards

All in all, with good consciousness, and natural social development and global understanding, the human world is going to become a pretty awesome place to be

[koops]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no point in being curious if AI can tell you the answer to any curiosity.

It's like doing PhD research on a problem that has already been solved.

Meditation.

Shadow work.

Psychedelics.

Awakening.

Yoga.

Building a great body.

Learning how to fight.

Having deep intimate relationships.

Art.

Learning an instrument.

Travel.

Hobbys.

Raising a family.

...

...

No AI can do this for you. 

Tons of stuff to be curious about.

The problem of course is unemployment.

UBI seems utopia, but who knows in a few decades. Even Musk said that it seems inevitable, and he is no hippy woo woo leftist.

 

[Daniel Balan]

@Leo Gura What can I do today as an individual so I can be prepared when I lose my job because of AI? How can I prepare starting from today to face the 95% unemployment rate? Btw I lost my job 2 weeks ago! The boss fired 3 employees from our team of 8! It is hard AF to find a job now!

Edited June 1 by Daniel Balan

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, koops said:

Meditation.

Shadow work.

Psychedelics.

Awakening.

Yoga.

Building a great body.

Learning how to fight.

Having deep intimate relationships.

Art.

Learning an instrument.

Travel.

Hobbys.

Raising a family.

Good luck doing all that when you are unemployed, broke, and useless. And so are 95% of people.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

What can I do today as an individual so I can be prepared when I lose my job because of AI? How can I prepare starting from today to face the 95% unemployment rate?

This is a deep systemic problem to which mankind does not yet have a solution.

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Btw I lost my job 2 weeks ago! The boss fired 3 employees from our team of 8! It is hard AF to find a job now!

Sorry to hear that.

Edited June 2 by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

@Leo Gura

In your blog about AI and 95% unemployment, how do you see that playing out? 

If 95% of people are unemployed, then 95% of people have no purchasing power, so who’s buying all the stuff the machines are making? Capitalism only functions if people consume. Wouldn't society collapse before we got to even 50% unemployment? 

Robotic or AI production would be meaningless without a population to consume it. 

I guess there'd have to be some sort of UBI or something. All the more reason to get good politicians in now because we're going to need them before tech advances too far in the next few years. 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

32 minutes ago, Joshe said:

If 95% of people are unemployed, then 95% of people have no purchasing power, so who’s buying all the stuff the machines are making?

Dude, if we ever reach 95% unemployment, that's WW3.

95% unemployment is the end times. That is a doomsday scenario.

It was a post about AI doomerism. Not some hippie UBI pipedream. AI doom means we all dead.

I am not saying it's going to happen, I am imagining worst case scenarios if super AGI.

You should think through what super AGI means for employment.

Edited June 2 by Leo Gura

[JTL]

@Leo Gura dont know if this has been posted, I found it interesting and bit scary : https://qz.com/ai-anthropic-unemployment-jobs-white-collar-claude-1851782923 

Edited June 2 by JTL

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura The other problem is the people smart enough to see how this technology will impact society are the builders of AI. 

The general populations, politicians and so forth go on about there day as if it's business as usual.

How should one prepare?

On the one hand I feel pressured to live my life like normal.

But I'm afraid the outcome of that could be catastrophic.

More serious planning may be required.

 

Edited June 2 by PenguinPablo

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

the people smart enough to see how this technology will impact society are the builders of AI. 

There is no reasoning with Tech Bros. They are drunk on greed and power and sci-fi fantasies. They have no solutions for wealth inequality or redistribution. They are politically clueless. Like Musk and Zuckerberg.

Edited June 2 by Leo Gura

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura Its already affecting tons of people.

Sure 95% unemployment has not occurred YET.

But for someone trying to come up with a vision or career...

Trying to maneuver around what will STILL be viable and NOT obsolete in 7-15 years.

It's challenging and scary already.

And if you just "pick" something and it goes to waste in 2 years lol.

 

Now is the best time to lose absolutely all attachments and be as mentally flexible as possible. Pivot hard and fast. 

 

Edited June 2 by PenguinPablo

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

It's challenging and scary already.

Yes, I know.

Sorry, I don't have a reassuring answer for you guys. We are entering unknown-land.

But be careful with doomerism, as you could blackpill yourself on the future and miss out on good opportunities.

Edited June 2 by Leo Gura

[Extreme Z7]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But be careful with doomerism, as you could blackpill yourself on the future and miss out on good opportunities.

We should be thinking about ways A.I. can actually support or even create jobs. Easier said than done, of course. But then again, most things are.

[Extreme Z7]

Or a stupid meta-solution: We can ask the super-AI how to help humans avoid extinction. 

[UpperMaster]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I know.

Sorry, I don't have a reassuring answer for you guys. We are entering unknown-land.

But be careful with doomerism, as you could blackpill yourself on the future and miss out on good opportunities.

 

Should discovering my life purpose and pursuing it still be a priority?
Or would it be wiser to first focus on finding a good job and making a lot of money?

You once said the ideal path is a balance of both, but in today’s world, it feels like the smarter move might be to first aim for financial success and get into the top 5%. That way maybe I am more safe to practice other things like spirituality and life purpose knock on wood. 

 

Plus you said it yourself, AI devoids people of purpose. Maybe I should just focus on money then no?

 

Edit: Seems like you answered my question already as you said you don't know how to maneuver through this. Mb for asking.

 

 

Edited June 2 by UpperMaster

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I haven't had a chance to listen to the AI link in the blog post

Does it touch on the huge WATER and power use?

All that cloud computing - even as the first google hit now... I haven't used google in a while, but I have seen AI is the top hit.

Jobs get lost to AI, water and power usage would explode