The problem of not knowing and acting on the relative world

[James123]

@Someone here if you have a courage, you have to completely let go yourself / thinking, and let the moment leads / take actions.

Then realization happens that You are the moment.

Flow with water. you can not fight with it.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Someone here if you have a courage, you have to completely let go yourself / thinking, and let the moment leads / take actions.

Then realization happens that You are the moment.

Flow with water. you can not fight with it.

How do I trust the flow of reality that it leads to a good destination?  I'm not after anything more than knowing everything is going to be perfect in the end . What if x y z?

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

How do I trust the flow of reality that it leads to a good destination? 

If you do not have any expectations, wherever it leads, you are happy. 

Success or money never bring happiness, even if it brings, only temporary, and there are so many suffering underlies to not to lose the success or money.

 

[Someone here]

23 hours ago, James123 said:

If you do not have any expectations, wherever it leads, you are happy. 

Success or money never bring happiness, even if it brings, only temporary, and there are so many suffering underlies to not to lose the success or money.

 

Good point James. Thanks. 

[James123]

51 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Good point James. Thanks. 

Anytime brother. 

[Carl-Richard]

Synchroncity: http://youtube.com/post/Ugkxhb44-s5FuKii1d1duEnhocQaQBMA1l_P?si=kqFpEEeQRa64p2jd

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard you do not understand my problem enough. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard you do not understand my problem enough. 

Puer aeternus and existential OCD are two sides of the same coin. 

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard so now it's about talking Hebrew German words which one needs to Google and you get off of your on farts instead of genuine help ? Do not make me lose all the respect I have to you . If you can't relate nor understand my problem then that's okay .I'm not forcing you to comment here .

[saif2]

@Someone hereI think I am in a similar place.

However, You can become aware of the demands of life (job, bills, socializing, side project...) as a part of how reality works. 

I have been realizing recently that 200 hours of meditation will might teach me how to get money a little bit, but trying to open a business will do that in 2 hours. There is something deeply delusional about the previous view.

[theleelajoker]

On 3.7.2025 at 8:40 PM, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard so now it's about talking Hebrew German words which one needs to Google and you get off of your on farts instead of genuine help ? Do not make me lose all the respect I have to you . If you can't relate nor understand my problem then that's okay .I'm not forcing you to comment here .

I believe everyone is doing the best he can. I am doing the best I can in my life. You're doing the best you can with the situation you described. CR is doing the best he can to support and help you.

Maybe CR has or will have some input that will help you with the situation you describe. Maybe the first input wasn't what you hoped for, but the input can't improve of he's losing his motivation to engage...

When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away at his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before."

-Jacob Riis

Edited July 5 by theleelajoker

[Inliytened1]

On 5/13/2024 at 1:17 PM, Someone here said:

This is a problem im facing ..at this point im clueless about how to go about the rest of my life ..practically speaking like studying and career-wise ..the main reason is my discovery  that i can't be certain of anything than this present moment.  How can i know that studying hard will make me get wealth and payoff ? That's just one example. 

I am 100% certain that I am conscious and i exist but it is not possible for me to know with 100% certainty that other humans.. non-human organisms..the Earth and the rest of the Universe actually exist. I perceive my body..animals.. the Earth and part of  the rest of the Universe. It is possible that what I perceive is either a dream or a hallucination or an illusion or a simulation and not objectively real. It is also possible that my perceived reality is actually real.. but I have no way of knowing this with 100% certainty. Given the fact that I cannot know with 100% certainty what is objectively real.. how can I know what is morally correct with 100% certainty?

Hoe can I know anything on the practical level if i don't know anything on the metaphysical/existential level ?

Leo's answer was a good one i can't really top that but I'll say this.  I've known you for a bunch of years now from here.  And if there is anything I know it's two things- you are extremely bright...and you like to procrastinate 😀  don't worry I do too at times...

But you're spiritually bypassing right now so that you don't have to face the practical stuff.  You know they are two different domains.  You can be a brilliant mathematician or scientist and not know your arse from your elbow when it comes to God and Truth.   And vice versa.   You actually know a lot about both domains- when it comes to metaphysics you know more than you deem..however you also can intuit that ultimately you will require awakening to gain that certainty you are looking for.  It does exist and it's called Absolute Truth.   Now in the practical or relative domain certainty is hard to come by but notice that this is a feature and not a bug.   If you had complete certainty all the time it would be like being in God mode.  You would lose the lust for life.  For the game of life.  Right now you don't realize it's a game so you want all the answers and you want them now 😏 

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

Interesting. another person who doesn't understand my problem despite me stating it in 4 different ways in this thread .you guys still confuse not knowing with not  being able to cook or flush my stink in the toilet or knowing how to function in society.  Is that really what I mean?  

From the moment you open your eyes in the morning you are forced to engage with reality on a practical level.  Even if you stay in bed all day that's still an engagement and you will reap what you sow .the problem is you are being bombarded by 10000000 choices every second .you are being treated by society as if you are a person who thinks ..instead of being formless consciousness in which the person and thoughts arise in. So you are never good enough .you chase the carrot like a donkey but never arrive. 

I've been complaining why Peter Ralston doesn't have free books online. But luckily I found the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

[UnbornTao]

Okay, problem unsolved. 

Edited July 7 by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

10 hours ago, Someone here said:

Interesting. another person who doesn't understand my problem despite me stating it in 4 different ways in this thread .you guys still confuse not knowing with not  being able to cook or flush my stink in the toilet or knowing how to function in society.  Is that really what I mean?  

From the moment you open your eyes in the morning you are forced to engage with reality on a practical level.  Even if you stay in bed all day that's still an engagement and you will reap what you sow .the problem is you are being bombarded by 10000000 choices every second .you are being treated by society as if you are a person who thinks ..instead of being formless consciousness in which the person and thoughts arise in. So you are never good enough .you chase the carrot like a donkey but never arrive. 

I've been complaining why Peter Ralston doesn't have free books online. But luckily I found the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

When I was getting my driving license, I was currently meditating so hard every day that I was ultra conscious of everything I didn't know when driving, and it made me extremely careful. How do I know exactly where my car is placed in the road? How do I know exactly how much I should turn the steering wheel when in a curve? How do I know if I can stop on time if a person jumps out behind a car and runs out in the road? How do I know exactly when it's too late to drive or stop at a yellow light? Over time, I just had to accept that there are so many things I can't know while driving and that this is normal and people just are used to driving while knowing very little and have just learned to do what seems to work by simply driving.

Edited July 8 by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

Perhaps you engaged in this long format contemplation with the users here to lead you to this book.

Because I have just finished it.

It has many of the answers you are seeking - I highly recommend it

[Breakingthewall]

On 30/6/2025 at 10:30 PM, Someone here said:

How do I trust the flow of reality that it leads to a good destination?  I'm not after anything more than knowing everything is going to be perfect in the end . What if x y z?

On 30/6/2025 at 10:30 PM, Someone here said:

 

On 30/6/2025 at 2:21 PM, Someone here said:

 

You only can trust your instinct. You can't know where reality is taking you. It's impossible to know. The only thing you can know is your natural tendency, what reality is asking you to do. The more in sync you are with reality and the less resistance you have, the clearer you see it. It seems like you're blocked because you put up a lot of resistance between yourself and reality. The question is: Do you want to break that resistance or not?

Pd: don't tell me that you can't put resistance between you and the reality because you are the reality, you know what I mean, you as a plane of the reality, the perceptor, and reality as the plane of becoming, life that happens 

Edited July 8 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

On 7/7/2025 at 10:05 AM, Someone here said:

Interesting. another person who doesn't understand my problem despite me stating it in 4 different ways in this thread .you guys still confuse not knowing with not  being able to cook or flush my stink in the toilet or knowing how to function in society.  Is that really what I mean?  

From the moment you open your eyes in the morning you are forced to engage with reality on a practical level.  Even if you stay in bed all day that's still an engagement and you will reap what you sow .the problem is you are being bombarded by 10000000 choices every second .you are being treated by society as if you are a person who thinks ..instead of being formless consciousness in which the person and thoughts arise in. So you are never good enough .you chase the carrot like a donkey but never arrive. 

I've been complaining why Peter Ralston doesn't have free books online. But luckily I found the book of not knowing and its resonating with my problem. So I don't think anyone in this forum is as conscious as Ralston at the very least to understand my problem...so thank you all but none of you understand my problem with enough depth .

This should be a clue to not spend touch time here and work on yourself.  Just saying.  We don't know you because we aren't you, and only you can fix it.

Edited July 8 by Inliytened1

[Mu_]

@Someone here Long time no see.  Sorry to hear your having a hard time with all of this.  I'm struggling a lot these days to.  I'm not sure there is an easy answer to your issue, but two things came to mind that have shifted things for me in the past.  One is a silly Indian fable some guru told his student.

A monkey climbed up a tree to get a banana, as he climbed to the top of the tree, he slipped and fell.  He never got the banana, and died that day.

Thats it.  Some stories end like that.

My sense is your at odds with dying and pain.  You also have a concept that its all meaningless because of this, and why would it be like this.  

Really become okay with this natural fact, AND take care of your ordinary life despite it could end and become painful any moment.  Just stop being held back by this notion.  Really acknowledge this if its true or not.  

Wish you well.

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, Mu_ said:

@Someone here Long time no see.  Sorry to hear your having a hard time with all of this.  I'm struggling a lot these days to.  I'm not sure there is an easy answer to your issue, but two things came to mind that have shifted things for me in the past.  One is a silly Indian fable some guru told his student.

A monkey climbed up a tree to get a banana, as he climbed to the top of the tree, he slipped and fell.  He never got the banana, and died that day.

Thats it.  Some stories end like that.

My sense is your at odds with dying and pain.  You also have a concept that its all meaningless because of this, and why would it be like this.  

Really become okay with this natural fact, AND take care of your ordinary life despite it could end and become painful any moment.  Just stop being held back by this notion.  Really acknowledge this if its true or not.  

Wish you well.

I think this feeds into his notions of meaninglessness.  Might not be the best therapy.  But i think he just rejects facing life.  Face it as an adult or not.  Just because he has the knowledge of Absolute Truth over all the ignorant millionaire or billionaire fools out there doesnt give him an exit card.  It should give him the secret weapon...but this is the only life he will have so he might as well make the best of it. 

 

Edited July 9 by Inliytened1