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5 hours ago, Consept said:

This doesnt mean that a woman cant give advice of course, but they would really have to think deeply about it and theres just not that much need for them to do so, so most dont. 

You don't ask a woman you're trying to date, like, or even your gf about other women. You ask female platonic friends, watch how they are with other men, listen to what they say and even if you have sisters or female family members. You can also learn from guys, not saying that, especially good professional male coaches who have your best interest in mind and also the women's and who are not coming from a place of anger, and too much hurt because they will mislead you. Your best teacher is yourself and from your own interactions but that can be biased if you've been hurt or even had great relations because great relations will not prepare you for the worst. Problem with yourself is you can only be in so many relations so it's kind of limited to only the ones you've dated and since women are different on the personal level, not much to go by.

If it's a matter of trying to get something from women (not in a bad way and being selfish), but say a woman to love you, to want to have sex with you because you really like her, if you want her to open up to you, men are more appropriate for those things, but if you want to know how to attract women, learn how they are, for the most part, their inner most feelings and desires, what makes them tick what turns them off/on, these are more for like the initial stages the trying to attract stage, the getting to know stage, ask women for that. Women know how women are, men know how women act. Women are for the abstract, men are for the concrete - so to speak.

 

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On 4/21/2024 at 10:45 AM, Princess Arabia said:

Guys need to start listening to women sometimes on these issues because we're the ones you're approaching and trying to date or whatever. I'm coming from a place where i'm not bitter towards men and have been approached many times in my life. I can say which ones seemed to be just a numbers game or who don't really care if I say yes or no to and those guys I tend to avoid because I can tell it won't be worth my time and energy. Not saying to not approach many times, but in the thousands is not worth it in the end if your main aim is to actually interact.

I don't think you realize that when guys really care they act weird. It's when a guy doesn't really care that he can be charismatic, social and just normal

Also its not about acting like its a numbers game because it is a numbers game. But thats not the end all be all

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1 minute ago, Zen LaCroix said:

Also its not about acting like its a numbers game because it is a numbers game.

Ok. Hope the equation of adding and subtracting and multiplying, adds up to the correct solution.


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7 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

I don't think you realize that when guys really care they act weird. It's when a guy doesn't really care that he can be charismatic, social and just normal

Either way, usually a woman can sense when a guy cares or not. Remember, we're good at feelings and feelings never lie only mis-guide; meaning, just because it feels good or bad doesn't mean it's right or wrong for you in the moment.

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1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok. Hope the equation of adding and subtracting and multiplying, adds up to the correct solution.

I didn't mean it like that! What I am saying is you're gonna talk to one girl and make your wife most likely. You're most likely not gonna just talk to walk one girl and make her your girlfriend. Even if you aren't thinking about numbers like that generally to meet women there's a lot of socializing going on. You're meeting lots of people in general. So at some level its a numbers game since you're gonna be meeting lots of women

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Just now, Zen LaCroix said:

I didn't mean it like that! What I am saying is you're gonna talk to one girl and make your wife most likely. You're most likely not gonna just talk to walk one girl and make her your girlfriend. Even if you aren't thinking about numbers like that generally to meet women there's a lot of socializing going on. You're meeting lots of people in general. So at some level its a numbers game since you're gonna be meeting lots of women

ok


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3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Either way, usually a woman can sense when a guy cares or not. Remember, we're good at feelings and feelings never lie only mis-guide; meaning, just because it feels good or bad doesn't mean it's right or wrong for you in the moment.

I don't think you realize when guys care too much they can act weird and needy for validation. When a guy doesn't care he can be more casual and laidback in his interaction with women.

When i say "don't care"  I mean not caring about not getting rejected or getting validation from the woman. This way the guy can just talk to the girl as a human

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5 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

I don't think you realize when guys care too much they can act weird and needy for validation. When a guy doesn't care he can be more casual and laidback in his interaction with women.

When i say "don't care"  I mean not caring about not getting rejected or getting validation from the woman. This way the guy can just talk to the girl as a human

I hope you're not having to keep explaining your misunderstandings with women as much as you'll probably leave her more confused than before. Hehe. It could probably be a good thing, though, as women love fore-play and that would be a long-lasting fore-play that could lead to some good, understanding love-making. Hehe. 


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@Princess Arabia So you dont realize you are making game about the women,if you make game about the women then red pill is valid and that's the reason why it was created,if you make game about the women then pick up manipulation tricks is best option,if a guy cares he will start to think i must not fuck up and the moment you think that you will fuck up so,you better call it off.

Every women wants a guy who cares but then expects princess treatment while gives king treatment to one who doesnt.

Thats why man is percieved an asshole and she complains about him the moment she complains is the moment she is emotionally involved and guy doesnt care this is tricky stuff  really tricky.

When guy doesnt find a girl attractive she will find him attractive because he doesnt care about her and will act like a man.

Everything changes for a guy who doesnt make game about a women then he will be his best self and when women earns him then he will treat her great(care)not sooner not later.

 

Expecting for a guy to care just because you are hot is the biggest lie infested in the minds of the dating world.

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3 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

So you dont realize you are making game about the women

How am I making game about women. I'm merely suggesting what and how I believe women are and how they interact with the opposite sex and the best people I think would be suited for learning more about them. What foes the toxic pills have to do with that.

 

3 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

if a guy cares he will start to think i must not fuck up and the moment you think that you will fuck up so,you better call it off

3 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Every women wants a guy who cares but then expects princess treatment while gives king treatment to one who doesnt.

 

What do I have to do with what a guy thinks and how he responds to his thoughts. Not my responsibility.


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3 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Every women wants a guy who cares but then expects princess treatment while gives king treatment to one who doesnt.

This isn't true, and I'll leave it at that. Doesn't apply to every and not even most healthy-minded women.

 

3 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Thats why man is percieved an asshole and she complains about him the moment she complains is the moment she is emotionally involved

A woman is emotionally involved even before she meets the guy. She's emotionally involved the moment she's allowed to cry and spill her guts. She's emotionally involved the moment her vagina begins to grow in the womb. Doesn't take complaining. She's emotionally involved before the complaint.


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4 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

@Princess Arabia So you dont realize you are making game about the women,if you make game about the women then red pill is valid and that's the reason why it was created,if you make game about the women then pick up manipulation tricks is best option,if a guy cares he will start to think i must not fuck up and the moment you think that you will fuck up so,you better call it off.

Every women wants a guy who cares but then expects princess treatment while gives king treatment to one who doesnt.

Thats why man is percieved an asshole and she complains about him the moment she complains is the moment she is emotionally involved and guy doesnt care this is tricky stuff  really tricky.

When guy doesnt find a girl attractive she will find him attractive because he doesnt care about her and will act like a man.

Everything changes for a guy who doesnt make game about a women then he will be his best self and when women earns him then he will treat her great(care)not sooner not later.

 

Expecting for a guy to care just because you are hot is the biggest lie infested in the minds of the dating world.

Maybe you attract women of a certain "energetic phenotype" (let's say girls who are quite hypomanic and quite sexual) but as you are a nice forum moderator concerned with being A REAL MAN and all that, you become attached to the idea of seducing a woman of the opposite phenotype who gives you this image of yourself, even if they will not want a roof in case women are less neurotic (I think?) in this way.
A sort of whore and madonna syndrome in short.

Just another angle of view :P

Generally, I like the idea is to trust yourself and express the excess energy that needs to be expressed (does that make sense?).
Forcing the relationship turns your attempts at interaction into stress rather than excess love/energy and this shows and makes you look "neddy".


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Take thousands of estrogen tablets ;)


Why did the pizza maker go broke? Because they couldn't make enough dough!

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@Schizophonia No women should give you image of yourself you already lost giving your self worth to her.Other things you said would take me years to decode.


There is nothing safe with playing it safe.

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2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Take thousands of estrogen tablets ;)

more like selling them

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Most pickup "advice" is designed to make men feel insecure so they'll pay for coaching and information products, and stay in the product cycle once they do. 

This is true of most self-help niches tbh, including professional psychotherapy.  

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@Princess Arabia You are defining bad game traps here. All of that happens with the least conscious and most toxic men (Machiavellian on purpose), or the ones that are severely lacking (Not being Machiavellian, just lack of experience, social awareness, very neurodivergent, etc.).

All of this talk that a woman can recognize this or that in a man and be correct with 100% accuracy about their assertions is flawed. They will get some rough averages, and also, they cannot deal with the entire complexity of the man's inner states that are completely invisible, only with the external representation which will only tell to some extent about him, and will work mostly just on the average, like I said.

A man can be absolutely marriage material and even spiritually enlightened, but still give bad vibes (i.e. you think someone that appears detached from results seems creepy, etc) or give too friendly vibes and not get results due to lack of experience in dating

BUT ALSO, a man can be a literal psychopath that has even killed, absolutely cunning and Machiavellian, but due to his experience and control over how he displays his emotions (he can turn on and off his empathy on command), he can appear the most charming and all other parameters that wound appear natural in the interaction, while being completely premeditated in his goals (i.e. lead her to whatever, while keeping interaction unpremeditated at a visceral level).

What happens is that most people are not skilled enough, neither they also are absolute masters over their inner emotions, so there is a lot of room there for creepiness or lack of success, etc.

Of course, that's based on HIS OWN POTENTIAL. Compared only with men that looks similar to him.

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56 minutes ago, Lucasxp64 said:

@Princess Arabia You are defining bad game traps here. All of that happens with the least conscious and most toxic men (Machiavellian on purpose), or the ones that are severely lacking (Not being Machiavellian, just lack of experience, social awareness, very neurodivergent, etc.).

All of this talk that a woman can recognize this or that in a man and be correct with 100% accuracy about their assertions is flawed. They will get some rough averages, and also, they cannot deal with the entire complexity of the man's inner states that are completely invisible, only with the external representation which will only tell to some extent about him, and will work mostly just on the average, like I said.

A man can be absolutely marriage material and even spiritually enlightened, but still give bad vibes (i.e. you think someone that appears detached from results seems creepy, etc) or give too friendly vibes and not get results due to lack of experience in dating

BUT ALSO, a man can be a literal psychopath that has even killed, absolutely cunning and Machiavellian, but due to his experience and control over how he displays his emotions (he can turn on and off his empathy on command), he can appear the most charming and all other parameters that wound appear natural in the interaction, while being completely premeditated in his goals (i.e. lead her to whatever, while keeping interaction unpremeditated at a visceral level).

What happens is that most people are not skilled enough, neither they also are absolute masters over their inner emotions, so there is a lot of room there for creepiness or lack of success, etc.

Of course, that's based on HIS OWN POTENTIAL. Compared only with men that looks similar to him.

Can you quote where I said a woman knows with 100% accuracy; would love to see it so i can correct myself. All else that you have said are your specific details about what I've said and itemizing specific circumstances on what a woman might or might not know about a particular man. A woman can be married to a man for 50yrs and still don't know everything about that man. You have grouped my explanations into 2 categories of the men being either detached or friendly and I didn't specify any characteristics. 

It can take a judicial system weeks or even months to come to any conclusions about whether a man has committed murder or not but you're bringing that notion into a discussion about women bring able to tell if a man is suitable for her or not or can tell certain things about him from a just a short interaction.

Lots of assumptions on your part in how you interpreted my statements. Nothing wrong with that but there was no conclusions made on my part to be 100% the case. Dating and relationships are very intimate and personal  topics, and the rules are usually not one size fits all, which I assume we all understand without having to point out the obvious.

It's not like one's personality is formed by making a choice on how one wants or would like to be and can pick and choose their personality type. That gets formed and developed by an outside force unbeknownst to the individual most of the time and it's usually not until someone interacts with or responds to an outside stimuli that it is even recognized or noticed by the individual to be a part of their make-up. 

Edited by Princess Arabia

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Statistics work in your favor, and also against you. If you approach hundreds of women, there will be a good chance of success, but the majority after, for example, 70 unsuccessful approaches will collapse, who could stand 700 fails without get depressed?  

 

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