Got initiated into Kriya Yoga

[Leo Gura]

@SamC No guru will save you when shit hits the fan.

[TheSelf]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@TheSelf And so how are you living with that energy today?

I'm dealing with it, still the same side effects except no intense headaches, I've attended a hatha yoga class a while ago and it's a bit better.

The most annoying thing about the Kundalini is that it's always present in my experience, I haven't had a single day from the day it awakened that I didn't feel any energy.

Forget about meditations, If you sit in quite and read a book, the calmness causes the Kundalini to rise up (it's always there but the intensity varies depending on your activities) it usually concentrates on head which makes it challenging to think once so much energy rises up and or makes you sleepy, feeling woozy, hallucinating, and painful in that area sometimes.

Though, I've stoped the practices long ago, the energies only rises more and more as time did pass.

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What would a guru have you do differently to avoid that problem?

I could tell him how I'm doing with my practices and how I feel and then he would give me the watered-down version of the techniques to suite me better for my specific situation, then everything would've been much more controllable and better for me, I didn't have to deal with any of these! 🙂

Edited March 26, 2024 by TheSelf

[Davino]

I've had kundalini awakenings before I knew what they were. I think there is a lot of dramatization with the whole thing.

It's wild but you'll be okay in the end. Kundalini is the embodied consciousness of physicality, ground up consciousness, instead of top down consciousness, it's the whole body awakening like hitting an asleep cobra with a stick.

If someone is worried of messing up the kundalini, buy a good rudraksha mala and wear it. That really helps a lot, from newbies to pros, Rudraksha helps everyone in this energetic process. I wear hundreds of Rudraksha seeds on me right now, it's one of my well kept secrets. Rudrakshas by themselves will handle and guide your kundalini better than other methodologies.

 

[Salvijus]

12 hours ago, Ayham said:

@Salvijus got it, so the difference is huge for you, and what do you mean by "where you belong to karmicly"

If you were at the stage of where you can feel chi I could share with you what are the changes that could take place in the energy system, the kind channels that open up and begin to function and how it manifests in the body that otherwise wouldn't open up. I mean, it's wild... 

If I had to describe some of the initiations into Christ lineage that I went through then it would look like the last scene of Shrek where Fiora transforms and windows brake. 

Haha, don't take it literally of course. But it is like that in many ways. Even music is befitting here. 

One thing I want to say, without initiation even simple things like meditation or prayer does not work as it should. For example in Christianity initiation usually it is called baptism. These days I don't know if it's still alive but if it's done properly, that ritual is meant to open up your crown center, attune you to the gods rays of love and through that channel (called tian chi in Chinese literature) the pouring of light can happen into your heart. This opens up many messianic possiblities like clairvoyance, ability to heal, ability to read the soul of another, leave the body at will etc. You see... It can be life changing and that's why it is so significant. Without this attunement/empowerment/baptism/initiation, even if you mutter words all your life nothing significant is going to happen. The real practice of prayer is going to be missed entirely. It's the same with the kriya and every other spiritual path including zen. 

Also I thought I would share this book about African shamanism. It would give you a better understanding of the power of initiation, the significance of a lineage, and what wild things are possible out there in the world of spirituality. 

"Of Water and the Spirit: Ritual, Magic, and Initiation in the Life of an African Shaman" 

https://a.co/d/eGxTcHt

Edited March 26, 2024 by Salvijus

[Davino]

5 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

Though, I've stoped the practices long ago, the energies only rises more and more as time did pass.

I've read reports like this. It seems that you'll have to learn and practice kundalini yoga. It's not gonna stop till it does what it wants to do, so better help in the process instead of resisting. Learn how to work with it and it will become your best friend. I know the side effects are severe, I have also talked with people going through the same situation like you, maybe talking with @Giulio Bevilacqua will make you feel more understood.

Going to a good physiotherapist, chiropractic or osteopath can really help you with this. So search the nearest centre from where you live and get an appointment.

[SamC]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@SamC No guru will save you when shit hits the fan.

Never said a Guru would. What I was argumenting for was that initiation and energy transmission is real. I agree with you that one should be careful and take full responsibility for one's actions but that doesn't mean that the Guru can't ignite your energies and that it is BS. Two truths can be true at the same time@Leo Gura

 

[Whitney Edwards]

Dood you rock. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, SamC said:

but that doesn't mean that the Guru can't ignite your energies

Sure, that's possible.

But what if he ignites your energies and it worsens your situation? The danager of yoga is not a lack of energy but an abundance of it.

[TheSelf]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I've read reports like this. It seems that you'll have to learn and practice kundalini yoga.

I don't know, I don't want to engage in any other form of yoga just to see the energy rises to even another levels and screw me up totally.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Ayham said:

Your point is that basically initation can be helpful but it's more yogic dogma and you can do it all on your own

There are tradeoffs with each approach.

Some people might benefit from a more traditonal approach that holds their hand. Others might get trapped in it.

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But have you directly experienced some sort of initation or transmission? If so, did you feel anything? Are you open to trying it out?

I went through Sadhguru's basic intitiation. But he wasn't even there so it doesn't count for much.

I have had sprititual people try to do energy transmissions on me. None of it worked a damn bit.

If you really wanna do the traditional approach, the biggest key is to find yourself a serious, hardcore guru who will be there for you. Not someone like Sadhguru who is mostly doing celebrity guru stuff. You have to look for a lesser known guru who can give you one-on-one attention. Basically this means moving to India. I would consider that a valid path, but it's not suitable for most Westerners.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[SamC]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Sure, that's possible.

But what if he ignites your energies and it worsens your situation? The danager of yoga is not a lack of energy but an abundance of it.

@Leo Gura That is a possibility which is why Sadhguru for example makes you go thourgh a very long and blithering process before you get intitated into Shambavi Mahamudra. It's to weed out the people that aren't serious and ready to learn the Kriya.

This is also the same reason why he and a lot of other spiritual gurus are against psychadelics. He knows that they can be vary dangerous and destabilizing and that especially if it's combined with an energy transmission process and or an intense yogic practice.

Sadhguru is so anal about this that you're not even allowed to eat for 5 hours before the intiation and need an even larger gap of 8 hours if you have consumed alcohol or any other drugs. The same goes for when you do the Kriya on your own.

Bottom line, yes it is dangerous but that's because intiations are powerful.. Just like psychedelics. What has a possibility to transform your life can also destroy it - it all boils down to how you use it and if you're ready and capable of making use of the tool as it shall be used. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2024 by SamC

[Salvijus]

It's worth mentioning also that there are many different types of transmissions with many different effects. That are designed to do mamy different things. To impact many different systems and energetic pathways or energy bodies. To download different energetic softwares. To plant different energetic seeds. To awaken this or that. For this purpose or that purpose. Accordingly transmissions are done, and also accordingly to what a guru has to offer. Accordingly systems are designed also, these systems become very rigid for a reason, because it is designed very consciously to a achieve a very precise outcome. You can't just start mixing random things in whatever way you like. And that's why it's so important to follow a genuine system/lineage that is authentic and not some scrap of different things

And like this it goes... 

Edited March 26, 2024 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Ayham said:

and I would like you to describe chi to me

It's something that vibrates in your body but it's not subtle. When it awakens and builds, it's very much not subtle at all. It can make your wholy body buzz from within. And it's something you can project out of your body aswell.

Some people experience it from psychedelics but it's a wrong way to experience it because you're draining it and dispersing it rather than building it and condensing it in your body to than reach higher levels of energy and consciousness. 

If I had to show you chi then this would be the best demonstration. 

 

He also has a video on the importance of a system

 

Edited March 26, 2024 by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Ayham said:

It seems to me that you haven't taken spiritual practice as seriously as something like psychedelics

That is correct. Because I haven't found any practice that is effective enough for me. But I haven't given up on spiritual practice.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Javfly33]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is correct. Because I haven't found any practice that is effective enough for me. But I haven't given up on spiritual practice.

Have you thought about Taking 5-MeO or DMT and while you are in in that absolute level of consciousness you create your own spiritual practice? So later when you are 'sober' you can use it. 

[TheSelf]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

Have you thought about Taking 5-MeO or DMT and while you are in in that absolute level of consciousness you create your own spiritual practice? So later when you are 'sober' you can use it. 

lol, You don't even know that you've taken a psychedelic in that state, or if you'll ever come back to the ego state.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Have you thought about Taking 5-MeO or DMT and while you are in in that absolute level of consciousness you create your own spiritual practice? So later when you are 'sober' you can use it. 

At those levels of consciousness spiritual practice doesn't even make sense. You are barely holding yourself together not to shit yourself or jump out a window.

It doesn't really reveal any magic secret formula for massive consciousness. At least not for me.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[TheSelf]

@Leo Gura If there wasn't dangers associated with Ketamine, you could utilize it in your practices, such that you take some doses to effectively calm down your mind and in that state the spiritual practices could becomes very effective.

[Terell Kirby]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is correct. Because I haven't found any practice that is effective enough for me. But I haven't given up on spiritual practice.

Struggling with finding a point in spiritual practice after a profound God-Realization. If the ultimate understanding of reality is the goal, why continue any spiritual practice after it happens?

Edited March 26, 2024 by Terell Kirby

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

@Leo Gura If there wasn't dangers associated with Ketamine, you could utilize it in your practices, such that you take some doses to effectively calm down your mind and in that state the spiritual practices could becomes very effective.

1) Ketamine is not that dangerous. I know people who take it regularly. Not that I recommend that.

2) Personally I dislike ketamine.

3) Ketamine is not going to do much for your baseline state. At least in my experience.

4) Psychedelics will be more effective for this work than ketamine for most users. With some exceptions.

15 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Struggling with finding a point in spiritual practice after a profound God-Realization. If the ultimate understanding of reality is the goal, why continue any spiritual practice after it happens?

Nobody on this planet is even 5% conscious of God on a regular basis.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura