Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Bobby_2021]

56 minutes ago, Raze said:

Last time he was in office he started publicly talking about how he liked Abbas and Netanyahu was blocking peace, but his advisors skillfully manipulated him and he just gave israel what it wanted and torpedoed a peace deal.

Something tells me he is going to be different this time. Trump is not a born Zionist. He is probably only siding with them because he got hundreds of millions from the lobby. 
Nothing is predictable, but things might be different this time. There is not reason for Trump to fold the first time to Bibi. Let's see. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Of course Trump will side with Jews over Muslims. How is this even an issue? He's an old school racist.

Edited January 12 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course Trump will side with Jews over Muslims. How is this even an issue? He's an old school racist.

He took American jews voting for Kamala as a personal insult, and doesn’t distinguish between them and Israel. I think if he had the right people around him he could be persuaded, but he’s surrounded himself with Israel supporting diehards.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

He took American jews voting for Kamala as a personal insult, and doesn’t distinguish between them and Israel. I think if he had the right people around him he could be persuaded, but he’s surrounded himself with Israel supporting diehards.

His own son in law is a Zionist Jew.

He will always side with successful Israelis over weak and poor Muslims.

The only thing Trump respects is power and success. Which means he has zero respect for Palestinians.

Edited January 12 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

His own son in law is a Zionist Jew.

He will always side with successful Israelis over weak and poor Muslims.

The only thing Trump respects is power and success. Which means he has zero respect for Palestinians.

He primarily cares about himself, if he believes siding with Israel is hurting him, he won’t.

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In the latest taped comments broadcast by Channel 12, Trump said he believed Netanyahu “did not want to make peace. Never did”; claimed he prevented the Israeli leader from annexing West Bank land (“I got angry and I stopped it”); offered his favorable opinion on Defense Minister Benny Gantz (“I think [he] wanted to make a deal… if he won, I think it would be a lot easier”); and his evolving view on the Israel-Palestinian conflict (“I [had] thought the Palestinians were impossible, and the Israelis would do anything to make peace and a deal. I found that not to be true”).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-i-thought-israelis-would-do-anything-for-peace-but-found-that-not-to-be-true/

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

if he believes siding with Israel is hurting him, he won’t.

Why would it hurt him?

His Christian base love to side with white Jews over brown Muslims.

It's that simple.

Edited January 12 by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

Zionism is White christian racism against Jews. Don't forget that part

But yes he will side with zionism 

Edited January 12 by Twentyfirst

[Raze]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why would it hurt him?

His Christian base love to side with white Jews over brown Muslims.

It's that simple.

He’s made it clear he doesn’t want to deal with this war 

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

He’s made it clear he doesn’t want to deal with this war 

It's also important to start saying that it doesn't really matter what he wants. What does some white guy across the ocean have to do with the Middle East? Or America as a whole...what do they have to do with it? America is a country that is isolated by two oceans and it's so far away. They are funding the weapons but that can change in an instant for many reasons. Americans don't want to lose their status for the struggle of Ukraine and they sure as hell don't ACTUALLY care about Jews. They hate Jews but they just hate the Muslims more 

They haven't won a war since WW2. The dollar has been weakening. They have so many problems whether it's division, homelessness, mental illness, birth rates declining, immigration, violence and school shootings, natural disasters, etc etc. Never ending problems really and those problems are a result of their own doing it's not because of some occupying force subjugating them. Do they really wanna spend another 20 trillion in some Middle East desert they cant even point on a map only to walk away with nothing but PTSD

It's like the guy at the party who is way drunker than everyone else and sloppily saying how great he is. Nobody should pay much attention. Ignore them out of existence. I already know there are gonna be westerners who are so brain rotted that they look at this with shock. So imagine this...what if America and its destiny was being decided upon by some random country across the world? How would you react then?

Edited January 12 by Twentyfirst

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

He’s made it clear he doesn’t want to deal with this war 

He's made it clear he's full of shit.

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course Trump will side with Jews over Muslims. How is this even an issue? He's an old school racist.

I am no fan of Israel but Jews are one of the most discriminated groups in history, they are not in the same group as "White Europeans" are.

Most people do not consider Jews to be White but their own thing.

They are put on the same list of discriminated groups like gays, blacks, browns etc.

It baffles me how a White Supremacist mind is sympathetic to Jews when the Nazis and other far right historical groups have been super racist to Jews.

Shows how strong their grip on the worldwide power structures are to gain immunity from that.

In any normal circumstance they would not be above browns muslims to a racist white supremacist fascist mind like Trump has.

It is their power and money that goes above classical racism and corrupts Trump and other far right people into sucking their ass.

Owning the global media helps.

Edited January 12 by Karmadhi

[Nivsch]

10 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Shows how strong their grip on the worldwide power structures are to gain immunity from that.

When the diversity of value systems among Jews is underestimated, the reason behind America's alliance with Israel is missed.

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I am no fan of Israel but Jews are one of the most discriminated groups in history, they are not in the same group as "White Europeans" are.

It doesn't matter what the facts are or what you think, what matters is the right-wing ideology surrounding this matter. The American conservative religious right-wing is highly supportive of Israel taking back all of Palestine and fucking over the Muslims. This is their view and these people are both Trump's base, Trump's donors, and Trump's cabinet.

This is why Trump allowed Netanyahu to change Israel's capital to Jerusalem in his last term, a policy which was lauded by his base.

Edited January 12 by Leo Gura

[zazen]

A Jeffrey Sachs short on the book of Joshua calling for ethnic cleansing / genocide:

https://youtube.com/shorts/IHp7NItQ-PQ?si=M6hSfC9531WTWLcy

Youtube doesn’t allow the embedding of the above video.

The Zionist Christian alliance is bizarre as they are theologically at odds with each other. Zionists reject Jesus Christ outright whilst Muslims revere him as a prophet and Christian’s as the very foundation of their faith.

That probably tells us it isn’t shared spiritual values but shared social-political values at best, and a shared racialized imperial worldview at its worst. Ashkenazi Jews who form the backbone of Zionism are seen by the West as part of their own - Western, white, and “civilized” against the barbaric East.

Can’t help notice the undercurrent of racial supremacy despite the rhetoric of “democracy” and “freedom” as what binds them. Just see what Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk are saying now days and it seems clearer that it’s more the former rather than the latter.

Claiming there’s an ‘Islamic crime problem’ in the UK is as reductive as saying there’s a ‘Democratic imperialism problem’ because the US leads in imperialism, or a ‘White violence problem’ because only White nations have dropped atomic bombs.

Idiotic takes from JP, Elon and Tate - and I’m one who sympathises with populist concerns - but it’s clear people can go about reasonable concerns in unreasonable ways.

Edited January 12 by zazen

[Bobby_2021]

Hard to believe that Tate used to sell scammy crypto courses on twitter during the lockdowns and now he is one handshake away for the US president. 

[Karmadhi]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

t doesn't matter what the facts are or what you think, what matters is the right-wing ideology surrounding this matter. The American conservative religious right-wing is highly supportive of Israel taking back all of Palestine and fucking over the Muslims. This is their view and these people are both Trump's base, Trump's donors, and Trump's cabinet.

This is why Trump allowed Netanyahu to change Israel's capital to Jerusalem in his last term, a policy which was lauded by his base.

Totally agreed but that is because of power and money.

You were framing it above as if the reason Trump supports Israel is because he and his followers are White supremacists and in actually White supremacists are very racist twoards Jews.

So Trump is not really a racist but an elitist.

He treats people not based on their race as much as on how rich and powerful they are.

If the roles were inversed he would support Palestinians over Israel (If Palestine was the strong and rich and donor one).

So framing it based on race seems wrong to me.

Judaism has been discriminated and hated by Christians far more than Islam has.

Christians fucked over Jews more than they fucked over Muslims.

So saying that Christians are more welcoming of Jews than of Muslims is not accurate.

What truly matters to these right wings is who is the powerful and influential group.

That is the group they will support and prompt up.

The race, religion etc is irrelevant.

Edited January 12 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

10 hours ago, Nivsch said:

When the diversity of value systems among Jews is underestimated, the reason behind America's alliance with Israel is missed.

I am talking about Zionism here to be exact.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Bobby_2021 And he used to claim he's an atheist, then became a muslim to try to scam the muslim audience. Now he's anti-muslim. LOL can't make this shit up

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Hard to believe that Tate used to sell scammy crypto courses on twitter during the lockdowns and now he is one handshake away for the US president. 

Rats of a feather flock together.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Now he's anti-muslim.

You don't have to be anti-Muslim to criticize Muslims. There could be legit crime problems among Muslims in the UK. I don't know. That's an empirical matter.

Edited January 12 by Leo Gura