Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

34 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I am talking about Zionism here to be exact.

Do you mean in this term to right wing conservative Israelis?

Edited January 12 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Totally agreed but that is because of power and money.

It's because of ideology, religion, and xenophobia.

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You were framing it above as if the reason Trump supports Israel is because he and his followers are White supremacists and in actually White supremacists are very racist twoards Jews.

Trump's base has various segments. There is a segment which is pure white supremacist neo-Nazi, which are all-in on anti-semitic conspiracy theories. They are just flagrant racists. But this segment is fairly small and does not run the party as whole because it is too ugly and toxic even for most Republicans.

Then you have the much larger segment of the religious right who are not flaming racists, but they are still softly racist, ethnocentric, white-loving, Bible-thumping, nationalist, xenophobic, and ideologically brainwashed. This is who runs the Republican party.

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So Trump is not really a racist but an elitist.

He treats people not based on their race as much as on how rich and powerful they are.

I already mentioned earlier that Trump only respects money and power, so of course. But he will throw in the racist angle for free. Buy two get one free.

In the end Trump likes it when his base fawns over him. So he feeds them the red meat they want. Which in this case is Palestinian corpses.

Do you understand that something like 20% of the Republican base think that Palestinians are literally the children of Satan?

Edited January 12 by Leo Gura

[whh2222]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

In the end Trump likes it when his base fawns over him. So he feeds them the red meat they want. Which in this case is Palestinian corpses.

Do you understand that something like 20-30% of the Republican base think that Palestinians are literally the children of Satan?

I was watching some UFC fight (like a year ago I think?) and Khabib, a legendary Muslim fighter and Palestine supporter, was speaking to him saying "I know if you get elected you will help the people of Palestine" and Trump was all in agreement, even posting online about how much respect he has for Khabib. 

He really will say anything to get praise and have people support him. 

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, whh2222 said:

I was watching some UFC fight (like a year ago I think?) and Khabib, a legendary Muslim fighter and Palestine supporter, was speaking to him saying "I know if you get elected you will help the people of Palestine" and Trump was all in agreement, even posting online about how much respect he has for Khabib. 

He really will say anything to get praise and have people support him. 

Trump thought he was talking about Ukraine

[Nivsch]

Former Head of IDF and Minister of Defense.

https://x.com/bogie_yaalon/status/1878686798227915071

[Twentyfirst]

21 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Former Head of IDF and Minister of Defense.

https://x.com/bogie_yaalon/status/1878686798227915071

Are you still on about the hostages? Do you know anyone personally thats a hostage? Or are you so identified with Israeli ego that a Jewish hostage is worth ten times more than a Palestinian even though both are equally human. Even if its worth ten times more there are still more Palestinian hostages

 

[Nivsch]

There is a big difference in the background of a big part within the bigger group, huge difference between the conditions and the level of danger the groups are facing so this comparison is between way oversimplified to bizzare.

Edited January 13 by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

There is a big difference in the background of a big part within the bigger group, huge difference between the conditions and the level of danger the groups are facing so this comparison is between way oversimplified to bizzare.

Your own government doesn't give a shit about their own hostages. Or human life at all for that matter

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

There is a big difference in the background of a big part within the bigger group, huge difference between the conditions and the level of danger the groups are facing so this comparison is between way oversimplified to bizzare.

Since 10/23, 55 prisoners have died in Israel’s custody 

Multiple report torture and there is video one one being gang raped by idf

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Your own government doesn't give a shit about their own hostages. Or human life at all for that matter

This is true about this messianic government.

Edited January 13 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Israel should be treated differently than Ukraine in terms of it's military support. I think US should continue to support it just so that the vaccuum wouldn't be filled by China or Russia, but US should demand a certain level of accountibility out of Israel in terms of leaving civilian Palestinian population alone, and taking concrete steps to resolving these issues in a non violent manner, while remedying any damages and atrocities Israel has commited towards Palestinian population. Military aid should be leveraged in this manner, perhaps placing some restrictions on weapons aid every time Israel doesn't accomplish certain demand or a goal towards this direction. Maybe even economic restrictions if it'd make them reconsider their anti Palestinian policies.

And after the war is war, there should be a serious investigation and proper war trial in which all war criminals get proper punishment (from both Israel and Hezbollah sides).

[Leo Gura]

Watch The Bibi Files documentary:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-bibi-files

[Raze]

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Two Young Children Were Getting Ready for School. An IDF Drone Killed Them

Hamza and Reda Bsharat, cousins aged 10 and 8, were killed in an airstrike in the West Bank on Wednesday. The family says the army then proceeded to ransack their home. 'These are children, what explosives are they talking about?'

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-12/ty-article/.premium/two-young-children-were-getting-ready-for-school-an-idf-drone-killed-them/00000194-4fbf-d47a-a7b6-efbfa7da0000
 

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IDF admits 'serious offence' after using vehicle marked ambulance in raid in which a grandmother was killed

A Sky News investigation analysed footage of when Halima Abu Leil was shot in Nablus - and we noted how a blue vehicle marked as an "ambulance" appeared to have been used by Israeli troops in the West Bank.

https://news.sky.com/story/idf-admits-serious-offence-after-using-vehicle-marked-ambulance-in-raid-in-which-a-grandmother-was-killed-13288120
 

[Bobby_2021]

Hamas is still going on killing IDF soldiers.

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Nivsch]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Watch The Bibi Files documentary:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-bibi-files

Blocked here 😓

[Raze]

 

 

 

[Nivsch]

@Raze The vast majority here push to hostages deal. 

Ben gvir, smotrich and the like don't represent the mainstream here.