Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Where will you get killed for not wearing a burka? And why do you always speak about women's rights but not mens rights? You know men have to wear modest clothing too? How much skin can you see shown from these elite Arab rulers?

I can't believe mods give me warnings for saying women are happier in the kitchen but you are allowed to run your filthy mouth on lies upon lies over and over and never stop with your idiocy. Btw whats your mom's only fans? I wanna jerk off and only have 5 dollars to spend

 

Why do you insult my mother? Isn't it perhaps because you're a Muslim, and the violent hatred you harbor from generations of repressed slaves needs to be expressed? Perhaps you should take a knife and go stab someone who drew the pedophile. Then you will go to paradise and then you could have sex

[UnbornTao]

Keep it civil guys.

[Twentyfirst]

34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why do you insult my mother? Isn't it perhaps because you're a Muslim, and the violent hatred you harbor from generations of repressed slaves needs to be expressed? Perhaps you should take a knife and go stab someone who drew the pedophile. Then you will go to paradise and then you could have sex

Why do you insult 1 billion muslim women as slaves and 1 billion muslim men as some bully? 

Why do you not acknowledge that the most dangerous thing for muslim women is western bombs?

Why do you keep spreading propaganda and lies that leads to destruction of muslim nations and then you blame the muslim nations for being destroyed? 

Why are your women dressed like hookers and constantly post online about how men are misogynists?  

I am not insulting your mother. I am saying that there is a 1 percent chance your mom is an only fans sex toy meat object. Versus a 0.00001 chance some crazy muslim father kills his daughter because her hijab slipped off. Statistically I am correct

Don't give out shit, if you aren't willing to eat shit

[Breakingthewall]

This one was a terrorist of Hamas

 

[Breakingthewall]

Another interesting perspective about honor and shame and Muslim culture 

 

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This one was a terrorist of Hamas

 

This guy is paid by zionists lol. You are just to asleep to see through obvious propaganda. Do you get scared when you see a guy with a beard on a plane? Or do you not travel at all because "Mexico has a bug that kills u if you get bit"

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

This guy is paid by zionists lol. You are just to asleep to see through obvious propaganda. Do you get scared when you see a guy with a beard on a plane? Or do you not travel at all because "Mexico has a bug that kills u if you get bit"

Sure he's paid, and sure he believes that he's saying . That guy is not a fool.

Edited October 3 by Breakingthewall

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure he's paid, and sure he believes that he's saying . That guy is not a fool.

But why are you so obsessed with proving that Islam is bad? Like what do you get out of it? Or you feel under threat so you want to prevent islam but is Islam bombing you? I don't understand

Focus on yourself and idk maybe getting rich and getting a hot obedient woman by your side. It's weird to think about Putin, North Korea, and Afghanistan all day don't you think? You just need to get a life you can be proud of and stop fantasizing the destruction of thousands of year long empires that are far away

[Breakingthewall]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM-Iu_tt_Ob/?igsh=MXU3bTRtZTdvZ2Vm 

Whit this philosophy, what do you expect?

[Twentyfirst]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM-Iu_tt_Ob/?igsh=MXU3bTRtZTdvZ2Vm 

Whit this philosophy, what do you expect?

You are ignoring Zionism with this one. But anyways, why DO YOU care. How does this affect you? You don't have anything better to do? What's your end goal? You won't stop your feminine complaining until what? Until all 2 billion muslims in the world convert to atheism? Until all Palestinians allow themselves to be dominated by Jews and Whites? Until all 1 billion muslim women wear high heels and slut makeup in the street so you can jerk your little dick off imagining them? Or so you can pump and dump them without having to commit? You want all muslims in the world to eat pork? 

Go deeper into enlightenment. You will find out how foolish you are and you will have a nice life

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

But why are you so obsessed with proving that Islam is bad? Like what do you get out of it? Or you feel under threat so you want to prevent islam but is Islam bombing you? I don't understand

Just because im sick listening in Europe how evil is the demonic Jew and the satanic America, abusing of the peaceful Palestinian who are victims of the Levi Jew that want money and rule the world 

[Twentyfirst]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Just because im sick listening in Europe how evil is the demonic Jew and the satanic America, abusing of the peaceful Palestinian who are victims of the Levi Jew that want money and rule the world 

How can you be sick of hearing how evil they are AS THEY ARE committing mass atrocities? 

Don't you think the people being oppressed right now are sick of it?

You want to destroy entire nations after hearing a couple criticisms of your own. But when Hamas has one little tiny attack after being oppressed for a century then suddenly there is an issue?

America is more evil than Satan. And Europe is as close to Neanderthal as you can get. Just accept it and you will be respected more. All you guys do on this forum is prove exactly what is being criticized of you and exactly how stubborn you are to change. You are not tolerant, multicultural, or moral or respectful at all

Edited October 3 by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

@Twentyfirst

Sure, they must endure a coalition of nations whose main identity is their extermination, and be kind to them. And those nations that claims for their dissapearance are complaining if they answer when they declare a war against them penetrating in their territory and killing people. And all people in Europe thinks that of course, it's absolutely logical. Those evil Jews should shut up and leave. Well, I don't see it. 

[BlueOak]

8 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

It's easy to call for war when you aren't the one participating in it. Forget all the destruction that comes as a result of your support

How does Iran, Russia, and China threaten you? What have they ever done against you? How are you even so sure that they are wrong and you are right? Maybe Iran/Russia/China are more just places than where you live? How do you know 100% for sure? You only want your side to win this rivalry because you think your side is the more just and honorable 

You just love to live in constant fear rather than live a full life.

Calling for war. SELF REFLECT. 

Telling me not to live in fear, when this is an entire war based on fear. Russia fearing American-backed nonsense along their border, Ukraine fearing the Kremlin's suppression, the east of Europe fearing constant Russian meddling in their domestic affairs, and that's just a snapshot of what's going on. Then we go to Israel and Hamas, who have lived in fear of each other and their religion for centuries.

Russia's entire foreign policy is one of fear projection. And Hamas and Iran's proxies aren't much different. America's not done much to inspire trust among the globe, nor has China. 

I'll tell you exactly what I want from Russia, Iran and China to be left alone.

I would rather have nothing to do with aforementioned countries, in fact i'd rather live on an entirely different planet and never hear, see or interact with them for the rest of my years on this earth. I suppose with the Israelis they'd like exactly the same, they'd much prefer a reality where they didn't have bloothirsty maniacs on their door intent on their destruction, and when their country swings around to the natural balance of that, engaging with it as it does them, they get told then they are the problem. 

Totally gaslit from start to finish.

Your posturing fails to understand human nature.
1) That survival is the highest order. Beyond any morality you care to name..
2) That if we interact with something long enough and indulge it, we synchronise with it, we become it in part.
3) That if you engage in war, you lose the moral high ground to question people doing the same.

At the moment what I want doesn't matter a bit. We have what we have. 

• Iran causing terror via proxies, attacking trade and building nukes.
• Israel stopping this and deciding enough is enough with the religious fanatics next door. Only they've embraced cartoon-level villainy. 
• The Palestinians paying a high price for being born into a hellhole.
• Russia flying jets, and drones overhead, invading their neighbours with constant terror attacks on civilians, and threatening to nuke everyone every five minutes.
• China and India are financing it all, because I guess China just wants to become the next superpower. To do what exactly, tell itself how great it is I suppose. Make the world more like they want the world. A country is never enough for some people.
• Ukraine is fighting back for their independence and paying a heavy cost.
• Europe is backing it but generally being cowardly towards Russia, with some obvious exceptions. (Poland, Baltics, UK etc)
• America is sliding into authoritarianism and deciding to pick on a weaker country to prove how great they all are. Typical strong man Russian BS now reflected in Trump. Man, I loved this eastern alignment they've engineered; it's done wonders for the world. Not.
• Then we've got all the adjacent nations like Pakistan - India, North Korea - South Korea, Thailan - Cambodia etc thinking this is a good time to settle old disputes. Because war breeds war.

All the while I am the bad guy for wanting us to grow a spine and fight back. Apparently, I need to be in every fight I approve or I guess disapprove of personally to be allowed to speak on it, yet you can do so without question.

No. 

This war is entirely rational given Israel's opponents are religious zealots intent on their destruction, and how Iran has partnered with aggressive countries intent on expansion and domination.

Edited October 3 by BlueOak

[Nivsch]

I always add posts of Israelis just to be clear

Edited October 3 by Nivsch

[Aaron p]

Both sides are looking like they might make a proper peace agreement. If it's another hoax then big waw. But if they're serious, it points to the situation being worse than we realise

[enchanted]

@PurpleTreeyour bro Trump brokerered a peace deal in Gaza! You were right all along. Your online activism worked. 

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Calling for war. SELF REFLECT. 

Telling me not to live in fear, when this is an entire war based on fear. Russia fearing American-backed nonsense along their border, Ukraine fearing the Kremlin's suppression, the east of Europe fearing constant Russian meddling in their domestic affairs, and that's just a snapshot of what's going on. Then we go to Israel and Hamas, who have lived in fear of each other and their religion for centuries.

Russia's entire foreign policy is one of fear projection. And Hamas and Iran's proxies aren't much different. America's not done much to inspire trust among the globe, nor has China. 

I'll tell you exactly what I want from Russia, Iran and China to be left alone.

I would rather have nothing to do with aforementioned countries, in fact i'd rather live on an entirely different planet and never hear, see or interact with them for the rest of my years on this earth. I suppose with the Israelis they'd like exactly the same, they'd much prefer a reality where they didn't have bloothirsty maniacs on their door intent on their destruction, and when their country swings around to the natural balance of that, engaging with it as it does them, they get told then they are the problem. 

Totally gaslit from start to finish.

Your posturing fails to understand human nature.
1) That survival is the highest order. Beyond any morality you care to name..
2) That if we interact with something long enough and indulge it, we synchronise with it, we become it in part.
3) That if you engage in war, you lose the moral high ground to question people doing the same.

At the moment what I want doesn't matter a bit. We have what we have. 

• Iran causing terror via proxies, attacking trade and building nukes.
• Israel stopping this and deciding enough is enough with the religious fanatics next door. Only they've embraced cartoon-level villainy. 
• The Palestinians paying a high price for being born into a hellhole.
• Russia flying jets, and drones overhead, invading their neighbours with constant terror attacks on civilians, and threatening to nuke everyone every five minutes.
• China and India are financing it all, because I guess China just wants to become the next superpower. To do what exactly, tell itself how great it is I suppose. Make the world more like they want the world. A country is never enough for some people.
• Ukraine is fighting back for their independence and paying a heavy cost.
• Europe is backing it but generally being cowardly towards Russia, with some obvious exceptions. (Poland, Baltics, UK etc)
• America is sliding into authoritarianism and deciding to pick on a weaker country to prove how great they all are. Typical strong man Russian BS now reflected in Trump. Man, I loved this eastern alignment they've engineered; it's done wonders for the world. Not.
• Then we've got all the adjacent nations like Pakistan - India, North Korea - South Korea, Thailan - Cambodia etc thinking this is a good time to settle old disputes. Because war breeds war.

All the while I am the bad guy for wanting us to grow a spine and fight back. Apparently, I need to be in every fight I approve or I guess disapprove of personally to be allowed to speak on it, yet you can do so without question.

No. 

This war is entirely rational given Israel's opponents are religious zealots intent on their destruction, and how Iran has partnered with aggressive countries intent on expansion and domination.

All this and not one mention of how your own leaders/financial corporations are fucking you over on a daily basis

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

All this and not one mention of how your own leaders/financial corporations are fucking you over on a daily basis

Because I cannot critique the entire planet in a post.

I think my views on the current system of governance and over-capitalism / demonisation of socialism have been posted enough.

[zazen]

15 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Then we go to Israel and Hamas, who have lived in fear of each other and their religion for centuries.

False. Muslims and Jews lived quite peacefully for centuries - fear and bloodshed only came along with settler colonially installed Zionism that's still persisting today. Hamas is a recent blip in the history of their relationship.

15 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Russia's entire foreign policy is one of fear projection. And Hamas and Iran's proxies aren't much different. America's not done much to inspire trust among the globe, nor has China. 

I'll tell you exactly what I want from Russia, Iran and China to be left alone.

America and the Western led order has been the system within which that fear has been inspired. Guess who wants to be left alone? Guess who's approached who first? Guess who's built a ring of bases around who first? Guess who's existing in who's imperial architecture and trying to extricate themselves from it?

Your providing a laundry list of threats without any causality or entirely flipping the chain of cause and affect. Why is Iran acting through proxies? Why is Russia obsessed with buffer zones? Why is China building parallel systems?

Where one chooses to start the causal chain determines who looks like the aggressor. If you start at Russia’s invasion, Russia looks like the aggressor. If you start at NATO’s expansion, Russia looks like reacting in self-defense. If you start at Soviet domination, NATO looks defensive again. We could go as far back and say God started it lol but that wouldn't help.

The fairest and most practical cutoff is probably the creation of the new world order which is when power structures reset in a shifting of the guard. For our time that would be  post WW2 and post Cold War: After 1945 a US led global system replaced European colonialism. And after 1991, that US system became unipolar and unchallenged. From that point onward, Western hegemony isn’t reactive - it’s structurally dominant. So reactions to it (Russia, Iran, China) are better understood as responses to that order, not random aggressions. Of course not everything is a reaction to the that order and things still happen independent of it.

Everyone’s actions have deeper roots to the past which brings us to the chicken or the egg scenario - but the current geopolitical instability traces more directly to how the unipolar order has behaved after it won. The West had the structural power to shape global norms peacefully. It chose expansion and containment instead. The rest of the world is now reacting to that imbalance. The West is reacting to their loss of primacy within an order they used to reign supreme in but no longer do. Their lashing out cos their dying out in relevance and prestige.

15 hours ago, BlueOak said:

I would rather have nothing to do with aforementioned countries, in fact i'd rather live on an entirely different planet and never hear, see or interact with them for the rest of my years on this earth. I suppose with the Israelis they'd like exactly the same, they'd much prefer a reality where they didn't have bloothirsty maniacs on their door intent on their destruction, and when their country swings around to the natural balance of that, engaging with it as it does them, they get told then they are the problem. 

Sounds kinda Iranic, Sinic and Russophobic to me.

Israeli's aren't the problem, the way they are acting upon their survival is - which isn't for survival at all. Jewish trauma was used to justify a state, bombing and dispossession Palestinians was simply designated as their fate, par for the course. Western bombs and violence are policy, anyone else's is pathology.

The "maniacs" aren't at the door- they're in the house that used to be theirs before Israel kicked the door in and claimed God owed them the land. Now Israel's mad they won't leave or live in a subjugated peace? And the West's mad at their moral high ground being crumbled by social media that shreds the lies and narrative faster than they can paper over it with more spin.

You want to be left alone? Cool. Close the bases, stop the interventions and overthrowing of governments, stop bombing countries back to the stone age claiming they are regressive whilst the bombs you send are progressive - a mentality that itself is of the a stone age. A mentality that can't handle the reality of multi-polarity because it wants to be the only pole other nations bow to and dance around like undignified strippers. Stop extracting wealth through structural adjustment programmes via the IMF, stop vetoing UN resolutions that would end your domination and stop weaponizing the dollar via sanctions that cover third of the world and perpetuate financial hardship for nations trying to develop.

Then we can talk about being left alone. Till then - you can't have empire and isolation because that's not how a globalized imperial hegemon operates.

15 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Your posturing fails to understand human nature.
1) That survival is the highest order. Beyond any morality you care to name..

So it's human nature to act in accordance to survival but when others do it its what? Authoritarian, regressive, backwards, false, non-understandable or relatable? If survival is beyond morality - then stop moralizing or being in denial of the survival of others. If that law is universal then it applies to them too.

The question is whose survival is actually at stake? Is Western survival at stake from Chinese bases around it? Or Russian? Is Israels at stake by the countries around who it is in de-facto peace agreements with? This sea of hate narrative of Israel existing in a cesspit of 100's of millions of barbarians at the gates is an outdated myth. An actual threat assessment would conclude that their only real threat isn't annihilation by a power strong enough to annihilate them - but through exhaustion from proxies and non-state actors who spring up (and will continue to) because of the un-resolved issue of the Palestinian cause they want to turn a blind eye to or keep stalling for their own fetish of settling the land how they wish. 

Western imperialism and dominance has taught nations to shake in fear and suspicion of breathing too heavy. They then get gaslit as manics who we should panic about because they seem to be a bit shakey and ''unstable'' when they try stand up to us. All of a sudden the Western conscious seems to be aware of their own empire because of a loud mouth Orange man ripping the mask off - but most of the Global South was aware of that empire breathing down its neck for decades, including anyone in the West who actually opened their eyes in between changing of the guards from Bush to Obama to Biden - just bipartisan delusion masking unilateral abuses by the empire state. Simply put - special interests are sold to the demos (the people in ''democracy'') as their own national interest.

Those special interests that fake being for your and mine national interest are the cause of the issue including issues plaguing our very own countries. Leo nails what Iran nails, what I nailed with what I just wrote above:

On 03/10/2025 at 0:11 PM, Leo Gura said:

United States is the Great Satan.

Iran nails that.

A moment of truth:

 

Edited October 4 by zazen