Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

32 minutes ago, zazen said:

@Breakingthewall When in your mind is a victim a victim? Being subjugated for 70 years and besieged for 20 means you aren’t victim to anything?

If I’m pinning you down to the floor and you start screaming and trying to kick me off - you’re not a victim of anything and should sit there quietly?

You’re not taking into account how material conditions warp peoples ideologies and beliefs. Your saying Islam is inherently violent - but it’s mainly violent because Muslims in conflict zones manifest religion militantly. Definetely it’s not a pacifist turn the other cheek type religion - but so did Christianity manifest in ugly ways despite such remarks by their lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

If Hindus or Christians were put under the same conditions, they would likely do the same.  If Dalits and Muslims actually occupied and structurally dominated Hindus in India (as Israel does to Palestinians) the response would likely be radicalization of Hinduism and an ugly manifestation of it in reaction to that material condition. That doesn’t mean Hinduism is inherently violent. 

10 hours ago, Nivsch said:

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The Palestinians tried to expel the Jews since 1948. They failed. After several wars, the Jews emerged as the strongest group. Two million Arabs live in Israel. All the signs in highways and street are in Hebrew and Arabic. They have the right to their religion. In Tel Aviv, the Islamic prayer is sung on the minarets. All the Arab women are covered. Muslims work as doctors, lawyers, and politicians. Enough with this victimism. No one has their knee on anyone's neck. Israel is the only country in the Gulf where you're not sentenced to death for being gay. What are you talking about? Israel is not perfect? Who is? Try to adapt and live, there are many Islamic Utopia around, like Iran, Irak or Yemen. I think there are enough muslim paradises around. 

Edited October 1 by Breakingthewall

[Nivsch]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The Palestinians tried to expel the Jews since 1948. They failed. After several wars, the Jews emerged as the strongest group. Two million Arabs live in Israel. All the signs in highways and street are in Hebrew and Arabic. They have the right to their religion. In Tel Aviv, the Islamic prayer is sung on the minarets. All the Arab women are covered. Muslims work as doctors, lawyers, and politicians. Enough with this victimism. No one has their knee on anyone's neck. Israel is the only country in the Gulf where you're not sentenced to death for being gay. What are you talking about? Israel is not perfect? Who is? Try to adapt and live, there are many Islamic Utopia around, like Iran, Irak or Yemen. I think there are enough muslim paradises around. 

In this you don't need to convince me, I agree with you here.

2M Palestinians are co-exist with the Jews inside every major Israeli city.

Edited October 1 by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

55 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

In this you don't need to convince me, I agree with you here.

2M Palestinians are co-exist with the Jews inside every major Israeli city.

Sorry I quoted you by mistake, the message was to zazen, who talked about how the Israeli oppress the Palestinian. I think the Palestinian could talk about oppression when their main goal is developing as society and not the dissapearance of Israel. Difficult since islamist tend always to victimism and revenge, but let's see if they realize that it's impossible, then it's better looking forward than backwards. The problem is that looking forward needs some work, not just cry.

[Nivsch]

@Leo Gura Jews are tired of Netanyahu and prefer he will stay in hell alone.

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[zazen]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The Palestinians tried to expel the Jews since 1948. They failed. After several wars, the Jews emerged as the strongest group. Two million Arabs live in Israel. All the signs in highways and street are in Hebrew and Arabic. They have the right to their religion. In Tel Aviv, the Islamic prayer is sung on the minarets. All the Arab women are covered. Muslims work as doctors, lawyers, and politicians. Enough with this victimism. No one has their knee on anyone's neck. Israel is the only country in the Gulf where you're not sentenced to death for being gay. What are you talking about? Israel is not perfect? Who is? Try to adapt and live, there are many Islamic Utopia around, like Iran, Irak or Yemen. I think there are enough muslim paradises around. 

Guess what happened in 1948 that you omit so you can maintain your own skewed narrative - the Nakba that started this entire shit show. Israel’s entire project has always been about maintaining a Jewish majority state, which is why the Nakba happened in the first place. Zionist militias decided there were too many Arabs on the land they wanted for a Jewish state, and then violently expelled them to create an artificial demographic majority. That was the point then, and it’s the point now.

You can't point at cosmetic co-existence of Palestinians within Israel while ignoring that the oppression isn’t primarily about Palestinian citizens inside Israel proper. It's about millions of Palestinians living under military occupation outside Israel proper in disputed territory (internationally recognized as Palestinians) in the West Bank and under siege in Gaza - people Israel don't want to absorb because doing so would undo the Jewish demographic majority they desire. Also - what does it tell you if Palestinians are able to ''co-exist with Jews'' inside Israel? I thought their backward violent and barbaric Muslims? Or are they not related somehow to the Palestinians just across the border from them? Are these the enlightened Palestinians who read eckhart tolle?

Millions of Palestinians have been kept in limbo for decades because they won't be absorbed into a single state with equal rights, neither will they be allowed their own state to exist within outside of Israel and recognized by the international community as their inalienable right. You can't have it both ways - you can't deny people coming in to exist as equals in one state, then deny them their own state when they try to exist outside of it.

I'm not saying Israel needs to be perfect - your the one pointing at Muslims at not being perfect and deserving less because of it. You afford other religions nuance but deny Islam and Muslims their own with your bigoted commented. Moral perfection isn't a requirement for political liberation that's already acknowledged by the world, but that is simultaneously denied by Western hegemony.

You've acknowledged Christians have done plenty of bad - yet you don't conflate Christianity as evil. I've pointed out to you the caste system of India (linked and reinforced via Hinduism) in which a entire group of people are literally seen as untouchable (1 in 5 Indians are Dalits - 200 million approx) - do I then go and conflate Hindusism as evil? Obviously not because I'm not retarded. Child marriage is also pervasive in India - are you gonna now say that that's only because of the 200 million muslims doing it and the Hindus don't? You don't see me or anyone playing conflation Olympics to demean a entire religion do you. Up your nuance game before commenting.

[Breakingthewall]

@zazen  

The Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started. After each defeat, they lost territory.

Palestinians can live under the State of Israel, but they cannot self-determine. Like any other Muslim group in the Gulf, they end up ruled by radical Islam, which hangs homosexuals, stones adulterers, allows forced marriages, and has Israel as its mortal enemy, brainwashed by the islamism. The other option is that the Islamic dictatorship will be deposed by a military dictator, as in Syria or Egypt, and that this dictator will be tolerant of Israel out of self-interest against its population.

In Iraq, parliament has just approved the marriage of 9-year-old girls. It is better to protect Muslims from these practices, as well as stoning women, the murder of gays, and the obligation to wear a hood under penalty of death. It is not good for human beings. It's sad that they have that tendency, and seems inevitable, but a democratic country like Israel can't allow that political tendency in its territory. If in the future the Muslims show sanity and will to develop as society, stopping seeing martyrdom as main value and goal in life, then they could claim self determination in Israel. For now seems better to protect the humanity from this strange behavior 

Anyway, just a reflection: imagine that Jews never came to Palestine. How would be Palestine now? Would Palestine exist, or maybe if would be absorbed by another country. If don't, how would be it now? A good place to live? What kind of place?

Edited October 1 by Breakingthewall

[MightyMind]

has anyone mentioned the IDF soldier outlining in court that they were ordered to stand down on Oct 7th? 

Link to Shalom's testimony from July 10th 2024 in the Parliament: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5nSeg8obg

Link to his recent interview, after the recording of the stand down order was released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2z6hisdqy4

Here on twitter https://x.com/BootOnTheFace/status/1972071251515695580

Here on Rumble https://rumble.com/v6zdhb4-an-idf-soldier-says-there-was-a-stand-down-order-on-oct-7.html

Edited October 1 by MightyMind

[Nivsch]

[Nivsch]

"Gaza village" Kibbutz in Israel (not actual Gaza)

Edited October 1 by Nivsch

[ExploringReality]

You guys!!! I am having a meltdown at work. I can't handle seeing these people starve, die, get blown up. Kids are dying in front of their mother's. Hospital's are being blown to smithereens. 

I can't handle this, I just start crying randomly in front of people they don't understand why. And to not call this a genocide is stupid. And seeing how the US supports Israel and there's no food in Gaza, innocent people are dying everyday. I can't take this anymore, where is our humanity?

This feels like the come up of a very strong psychedelic trip, I remember Terrence McKenna saying that history is a bad trip.

I'm just trying to keep myself from being outraged and too emotional. I'm sick to my stomach

God help us. God please bring light and love to the people of Gaza. I am praying for my brothers and sisters. I love you.

Mentally I am with the men women and children that are suffering right now

Edited October 2 by ExploringReality

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

You guys!!! I am having a meltdown at work. I can't handle seeing these people starve, die, get blown up. Kids are dying in front of their mother's. Hospital's are being blown to smithereens. 

I can't handle this, I just start crying randomly in front of people they don't understand why. And to not call this a genocide is stupid. And seeing how the US supports Israel and there's no food in Gaza, innocent people are dying everyday. I can't take this anymore, where is our humanity?

This feels like the come up of a very strong psychedelic trip, I remember Terrence McKenna saying that history is a bad trip.

I'm just trying to keep myself from being outraged and too emotional. I'm sick to my stomach

God help us. God please bring light and love to the people of Gaza. I am praying for my brothers and sisters. I love you.

Mentally I am with the men women and children that are suffering right now

Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas! Well, Hamas is a branch of the Muslims brothers, those peaceful people 

But horror in not only Muslim. In tigray have dead 500.000 three years ago, and in congo millions (and lately isis involved in horrific crimes there). Did you know that? Anyone cares? 

Edited October 2 by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas! Well, Hamas is a branch of the Muslims brothers, those peaceful people 

But horror in not only Muslim. In tigray have dead 500.000 three years ago, and in congo millions (and lately isis involved in horrific crimes there). Did you know that? Anyone cares? 

 

The Muslim brotherhood has no on the ground presence in Nigeria. Hamas when it was founded was inspired by the Muslim brotherhood but isn’t currently connected to the Muslim brotherhood proper since it was outlawed in Egypt and acts independently. The Muslim brotherhood has an extremely small faction in Yemen that was actually supporting the US side against the Houthis. The Muslim brotherhood was outlawed in Syria decades ago and was very irrelevant on the ground but had some initial role diplomatically before being iced out.

It’s ridiculous you were just complaining people blamed the US and Israel for everything then turned around and blamed the Muslim brotherhood for everything, when the US and Israel had far greater involvement in the conflicts you just listed. The US supported Saudi Arabia creating a man made famine in Yemen, Israel and the US both publicly acknowledged arming and funding Syrian rebel groups.

To say the relevant detail of all these conflicts is the “Muslim brotherhood” is beyond stupid and you just think that because it sounds like a spooky term so you can deny / defend the much larger violence and instability caused by the US and Israel because you support them.

And no, it isn’t “worse”. In proportion to the population more Gazans were killed in a much shorter time frame than Syrians or Yemenis, and a higher portion of women and children. Naturally since Israel is doing it this time you support it.

By your own logic, stop complaining about violence by Hamas or Islamist extremist movements, plenty of other conflicts have larger death tolls, in fact actions taken to combat these groups or the actions that lead to their founding had much larger death tolls.

 

Edited October 2 by Raze

[Raze]

On 10/1/2025 at 0:55 PM, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen  

The Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started. After each defeat, they lost territory.

ChatGPT

Prompt: Did The Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started?

Result:

Key Point:

The Nakba was not the result of a war initiated by Palestinians, but rather the result of:

A civil conflict in Mandate Palestine following the UN partition plan.

The subsequent Arab-Israeli war in which Palestinians were largely unarmed and unorganized, with no central leadership or army.

The military defeat of Arab states and the deliberate expulsion, flight, or fear-driven displacement of Palestinians from hundreds of towns and villages.

Conclusion:

The Nakba was a consequence of the 1948 war and the events surrounding the founding of Israel, but not because Palestinians started a war and lost it. It was a complex conflict involving multiple actors, with the Palestinians suffering the greatest loss — their homes, lands, and national aspirations.

Prompt: If someone believes the Nakba occurred after the Palestinian defeat in a war they started, could we consider them well informed about the conflict and a reliable source to take seriously?

Result: If someone believes the Nakba occurred after a Palestinian defeat in a war they started, that indicates a serious misunderstanding of key historical facts, and it raises questions about their reliability as a source on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Raze]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas! Well, Hamas is a branch of the Muslims brothers, those peaceful people 

But horror in not only Muslim. In tigray have dead 500.000 three years ago, and in congo millions (and lately isis involved in horrific crimes there). Did you know that? Anyone cares? 

Prompt: Would the statement: “Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza” be accurate?

Result:

What's misleading or inaccurate:

1. It assumes crises can be ranked easily.

Comparing suffering across different conflicts is not straightforward or always meaningful.

Each context is unique: Sudan is facing state collapse and ethnic cleansing; Yemen has endured years of famine and blockade; Syria saw chemical attacks and the near-total destruction of cities; Nigeria’s northeast suffers from Boko Haram and IS-linked terrorism.

2. It may ignore time-sensitivity.

The situation in Gaza in 2023–2024 (especially during the Israel–Hamas war) reached unprecedented levels of destruction and suffering in a very short period:

Over 30,000 killed (mostly women and children, according to UN sources).

Over 70% of homes destroyed.

Mass displacement of nearly the entire population.

Famine-like conditions.

Healthcare system collapse.

UN officials called it one of the worst humanitarian situations they’ve seen.

So, at the peak of the Gaza war, many credible sources considered the situation there as bad or worse than anywhere else at that moment.

3. It can be used as a rhetorical deflection.

This kind of statement is often used not to promote awareness about Sudan or Yemen, but to downplay or deflect concern for Gaza.

That’s problematic. Recognizing a crisis in Gaza doesn’t mean ignoring others — and vice versa.

Prompt: Would this be an accurate analysis : “Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas!”

Result: 

That analysis —

“Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas!”

— is factually inaccurate, overly simplistic, and politically distorted.

2. “What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved.”

This is factually wrong in multiple cases:

🔸 Sudan:

The current conflict is between the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) — a power struggle, not an Islamist uprising.

The Muslim Brotherhood did have historical ties to Sudanese political Islam (e.g. under Omar al-Bashir), but they are not central actors in the current war.

The current violence is driven by military factions, power struggles, and ethnic cleansing — not by the Brotherhood.

🔸 Yemen:

The main conflict is between the Houthi rebels (a Zaidi Shia group) and a Saudi-backed coalition.

The Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated party in Yemen is Al-Islah, which has played a role, but is not a central driver of the war.

The Houthis oppose the Muslim Brotherhood.

🔸 Syria:

The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood was part of the early opposition to Assad in 2011.

But the conflict evolved into a multi-sided war involving:

Assad’s regime (backed by Russia and Iran),

ISIS and other jihadist groups (who are not the Muslim Brotherhood),

Kurdish groups,

U.S., Turkey, and others.

The Brotherhood is not the main actor and has been largely sidelined.

🔸 Nigeria:

The conflict in Nigeria’s northeast is primarily due to Boko Haram and ISIS-West Africa (ISWAP).

These groups are Salafi-jihadist extremists, and they do not have ideological or organizational links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

In fact, Boko Haram’s ideology is much more radical and views the Brotherhood as too moderate.

❌ 3. “And who are the Muslim Brotherhood? Hamas!”

This is a half-truth that becomes misleading in context.

Hamas was founded in 1987 as a Palestinian offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

So yes: Hamas has historical roots in the Brotherhood.

However:

Hamas is also a Palestinian nationalist resistance movement, with its own leadership, goals, and strategy.

Since the early 2000s, Hamas has diverged significantly from the Brotherhood, both ideologically and operationally.

Many Arab regimes (like Egypt) classify both Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood as threats — but lumping them together as the cause of regional chaos is simplistic and misleading.

 

Prompt: If someone says: 

(quoted full post), 

after researching the relevant issues, what can be concluded about their research quality, moral and ethical development, and intellectual capacity?

Result: 

In summary:

The research quality is shallow, biased, and selective, lacking nuance and evidence.

The moral and ethical development is questionable, as it leans toward dehumanization, oversimplification, and dismissing the rights of an entire population.

The intellectual capacity appears limited by ideological rigidity and binary thinking, without critical engagement or openness to complexity.

Edited October 2 by Raze

[ExploringReality]

@Breakingthewall

I very much care, I am learning more and more of the suffering and cruelty inflicted by our fellow human beings. I do not discriminate or select which humans I care about, wether your black, white or green, suffering is felt at a collective, global and humane level and that their suffering is my suffering. I will learn more and more of the suffering that is taking place throughout the world, mainstream America only propagandizes what the public sees, this stuff isn't taught in schools and stuff, you have to actively want to understand what's going on at all levels and depths.

So don't wave your finger at me asking if I care, motherfuker I do care. If your gonna educate me, then educate me. Come correct homie

Edited October 2 by ExploringReality

[Breakingthewall]

52 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

The Muslim brotherhood has no on the ground presence in Nigeria. Hamas when it was founded was inspired by the Muslim brotherhood but isn’t currently connected to the Muslim brotherhood proper since it was outlawed in Egypt and acts independently. The Muslim brotherhood has an extremely small faction in Yemen that was actually supporting the US side against the Houthis. The Muslim brotherhood was outlawed in Syria decades ago and was very irrelevant on the ground but had some initial role diplomatically before being iced out.

It’s ridiculous you were just complaining people blamed the US and Israel for everything then turned around and blamed the Muslim brotherhood for everything, when the US and Israel had far greater involvement in the conflicts you just listed. The US supported Saudi Arabia creating a man made famine in Yemen, Israel and the US both publicly acknowledged arming and funding Syrian rebel groups.

To say the relevant detail of all these conflicts is the “Muslim brotherhood” is beyond stupid and you just think that because it sounds like a spooky term so you can deny / defend the much larger violence and instability caused by the US and Israel because you support them.

And no, it isn’t “worse”. In proportion to the population more Gazans were killed in a much shorter time frame than Syrians or Yemenis, and a higher portion of women and children. Naturally since Israel is doing it this time you support it.

By your own logic, stop complaining about violence by Hamas or Islamist extremist movements, plenty of other conflicts have larger death tolls, in fact actions taken to combat these groups or the actions that lead to their founding had much larger death tolls.

 

Boko Haram is not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood but has exactly the same objectives: imposing Sharia law. 

In Sudan, they ruled for 30 years, radicalizing the country, turning it into a nest of murderers, persecuting Christians.and creating the broth of the current horror.

In Yemen they are an important part of the war.

They waged war in Syria for many years and were later replaced by more radical Islamists.

In Palestine Hamas has its roots in them. Muslim brotherhood has the goal of impose the sharia in the world. Maybe for you this is a legitimate goal, but for others not so 

Anyway, Ask the AI how many conflicts in the world are related to yihadism. "Relationship," even though from your perspective the peaceful yihadist are defending themselves against the American devil.

 

[Nivsch]

[Breakingthewall]

@Raze  

If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect

[Raze]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Boko Haram is not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood but has exactly the same objectives: imposing Sharia law. 

In Sudan, they ruled for 30 years, radicalizing the country, turning it into a nest of murderers, persecuting Christians.and creating the broth of the current horror.

In Yemen they are an important part of the war.

They waged war in Syria for many years and were later replaced by more radical Islamists.

In Palestine Hamas has its roots in them. Muslim brotherhood has the goal of impose the sharia in the world. Maybe for you this is a legitimate goal, but for others not so 

Anyway, Ask the AI how many conflicts in the world are related to yihadism. "Relationship," even though from your perspective the peaceful yihadist are defending themselves against the American devil.

 

Prompt: 

If someone says “Do some research on the situation in Sudan, Yemen, Syria, and Nigeria. In all of those places, the situation is much worse than in Gaza (Maybe not so in Nigeria but very bad). What do those places have in common? That the Muslim Brotherhood is involved.” but then says “Boko Haram is not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood but has exactly the same objectives: imposing Sharia law. In Sudan, they ruled for 30 years, radicalizing the country, turning it into a nest of murderers, persecuting Christians.and creating the broth of the current horror. In Yemen they are an important part of the war. They waged war in Syria for many years and were later replaced by more radical Islamists. In Palestine Hamas has its roots in them. Muslim brotherhood has the goal of impose the sharia in the world. Maybe for you this is a legitimate goal, but for others not so ” are they being honest or are they conflicting themselves and moving goalposts?

Result:

The person making these statements is engaging in a confused, somewhat contradictory argument that bends facts to fit a narrative, and moves the goalposts when convenient

Prompt: Should the person referenced in the previous prompt be considered a trustworthy reliable source with enough intellectual capacity for good faith conversations?

Result:

This person should not be treated as a trustworthy or reliable source for nuanced analysis of Middle Eastern or African conflicts. They may still be worth engaging — if you're trying to challenge misinformation — but you should approach with critical scrutiny and clear boundaries.

If your goal is constructive discussion, test their openness to correction. If they double down on contradictions or refuse to engage with facts, that’s your sign to stop wasting energy on bad faith dialogue.

Edited October 2 by Raze

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Raze  

If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect

Prompt:

Could the reasoning involved in the statement: “If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect” be used to justify terrorist attacks like 9/11 or Oct 7?

Result: 

Short answer: Yes—this kind of reasoning can be (and has been) used to justify terrorist attacks—but the argument is deeply flawed, both logically and morally, and does not make such attacks legitimate.

Prompt:

So how different would the moral development of someone who says ““If you run a city of two million people and your roadmap and essential objective is hate, and you teach hate in schools, and you present death, self-immolation, and murder as the supreme value, then your city will end up like Hiroshima. Cause/effect” be compared to terrorists involved in actions like 9/11 or the Oct 7 attacks?

Result:

The moral development of someone who makes a statement like that—suggesting that an entire city deserves catastrophic destruction because of its supposed collective ideology—shares troubling similarities with the moral reasoning used by terrorists.

Key Similarities:

1. Collective Blame and Dehumanization

Both this speaker and terrorists apply collective guilt—blaming a population for the actions of a subset (e.g., political leaders, militant factions, educational curricula).

This leads to dehumanization: seeing civilians (including children) not as people with agency and complexity, but as legitimate targets or acceptable collateral damage.

→ This is a foundational cognitive and moral step in justifying atrocities.

2. Moral Absolutism and Rigid Dichotomies

The speaker frames the situation as a moral binary: a city that teaches hate is inherently evil and deserving of annihilation.

Terrorists often use the same logic in reverse: "The West hates Islam, oppresses our people—therefore, mass attacks are justified."

→ This absolutism prevents empathy, nuance, or peaceful solutions.

3. Consequentialist Rationalization

The speaker implies a "cause and effect" morality—if a group teaches hate, it naturally leads to its own destruction, as if mass violence is a natural or deserved response.

Terrorists often say: “They bomb us, so we bomb them. This is justice.”

→ It’s a logic that absolves responsibility by placing the blame entirely on the victim.