Israel / Palestine News Thread

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen simply check the example in Nigeria. The half is Christian and the half is Muslim . Compare the conditions of women, culture, education, and art. It's absurd to deny that Islam is rigid at its foundation and Christianity is flexible at its foundation. 

Yes! Compare the material conditions which is something you overlook. Religions and how the people of those religions show up can be shaped by those conditions.

In Nigeria the South is mainly Christian and much more developed compared to the North which is majority Muslim - why? From a colonial legacy the British invested more in the coastal south where the port and capital (Lagos) is for trade and administration. More urbanization, schools and education etc. The South is also home to oil which makes up most of its exports and 50% of government income.

Boko Haram come from Northern Nigeria due to those conditions of rural poverty and grievances against the South which make them ripe for extremism. They are also designated a terrorist group by most Muslim countries including the OIC - Organisation of Islamic Cooperation. Clearly that shows you there is a nuance within Islam that needs to be taken into account which you clearly don't because it doesn't fit your bigoted narrative.

Uganda is a majority Christian country yet has some of the harshest anti-LGBTQ laws in the world pushed by evangelicals. Remember this meme: 

Context (material conditions) explains outcomes - not solely religious text. Evangelicals in US are also talking about stripping women and LGBT rights despite living in a developed country ie better conditions.

Indonesia's the largest Muslim majority country in the world with relatively high literacy and women in politics with a female president in the past. Evil Islamic Pakistan and Indonesia have had a female president before the US. Indonesia's on course to be the 4th largest economy in the world in the coming decades with a healthy growth rate. I thought Islam opposes and sabotages all of that? Nah, that's just your bigoted view of it.

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Christianity can be misunderstood, but at its core, it's a spiritual religion. Islam is, at its core, a political system. Having been designed 1,400 years ago and supposedly being the literal word of God, it's completely out of step with the current situation, making it a deeply toxic ideology.

You can cite selected passages to compare the two religions, but it is absolutely clear that Christianity aims at the liberation of the spirit, while the Quran aims at submission.

All religion is spiritual at its core. Christianity was political for over a thousand years also - papal states, inquisition, crusades, divine right of  monarchies. The New Testament had less rules and laws compared to the old one but the Church stepped in to make their own political frame work. Christianity looks “flexible” today because it was forced to reform by secular modernity and separation of church and state. Christianity had and still has both fundamentalists and reformists just as Islam has Sufi's and Wahhabists and every shade in between. That's too much nuance for you though lol you default to Black and white thinking rather than 50 shades of grey which is only reserved for Christianity to maintain your Eurocentric view of the world.

Muhammad was a statesman involved in wordly affairs - he managed disputes, drafted treaties, encountered and lead in warfare etc so naturally the politics of day to day life were spoken about and built upon. He was straddling the ''other world'' and this world. That doesn't mean there was no faith or spiritual insight involved that inspired him or those that followed him. Today you see Sadhguru being a busy body doing all kinds of things - do we call him just a mystic talking only about the other world? Do we say he's not purely spiritual or mystical because of his dealings in this world of form?

Or is it that you view pure spirituality as only when you simply exist in this blob of consciousness feeling all gooey, lovely and enlightened thinking your above the messiness of every day life and survival? And later concluding that anyone speaking on those realities isn't pure enough or is devoid of any form of spirituality? That's some liberal hippie shit son. I'm the bigot buster, the liberal delusionist dismantler, the spiral dynamic supremacist slayer.

Edited October 3, 2025 by zazen

[Breakingthewall]

@zazen yes, i remember that video. Imagine in Iran, would be funny. 

Iran and Afghanistan were countries taking off, culture was beginning to flourish, and there was more and more freedom. Islam arrived, and game over. Uganda has never taken off. Well, it's doing so now, and Ugandan women are very interesting, by the way.

Yes, Indonesia is growing economically, and other countries like Morocco too, but what culture can an Islamic country have where everything is haram? Can it have any? In Morocco, women can go out without hoods, although in some areas they are insulted. I don't know if it's prohibited in Indonesia. In the videos I've seen, everyone wears hoods, even though the temperature is 50 degrees. What human development can there be under these crazy rules? What's this obsession with covering women up? Are you comparing it to medieval Christianity? In the Middle Ages, Islam was more open than it is now. I suppose it's the Americans' fault. Islam is an ideology of oppression and prohibition. Why do you like that? Don't you think that killing people in France because they do a design of the prophet is crazy? When bataclán happened I heard some groups of Muslims in my city shouting Allah Akbar as a celebration. A Russian guy was there and told me: maybe it's time to take the Kalashnikovs from the locket. I thought he was quite right 

[Twentyfirst]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@zazen yes, i remember that video. Imagine in Iran, would be funny. 

Iran and Afghanistan were countries taking off, culture was beginning to flourish, and there was more and more freedom. Islam arrived, and game over. Uganda has never taken off. Well, it's doing so now, and Ugandan women are very interesting, by the way.

Yes, Indonesia is growing economically, and other countries like Morocco too, but what culture can an Islamic country have where everything is haram? Can it have any? In Morocco, women can go out without hoods, although in some areas they are insulted. I don't know if it's prohibited in Indonesia. In the videos I've seen, everyone wears hoods, even though the temperature is 50 degrees. What human development can there be under these crazy rules? What's this obsession with covering women up? Are you comparing it to medieval Christianity? In the Middle Ages, Islam was more open than it is now. I suppose it's the Americans' fault. Islam is an ideology of oppression and prohibition. Why do you like that? Don't you think that killing people in France because they do a design of the prophet is crazy? When bataclán happened I heard some groups of Muslims in my city shouting Allah Akbar as a celebration. A Russian guy was there and told me: maybe it's time to take the Kalashnikovs from the locket. I thought he was quite right 

All of this is about freedom? What is freedom? Do you even know?

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

All of this is about freedom? What is freedom? Do you even know?

Be able to go to the street without a burka without being killed 

[Twentyfirst]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Be able to go to the street without a burka without being killed 

Where will you get killed for not wearing a burka? And why do you always speak about women's rights but not mens rights? You know men have to wear modest clothing too? How much skin can you see shown from these elite Arab rulers?

I can't believe mods give me warnings for saying women are happier in the kitchen but you are allowed to run your filthy mouth on lies upon lies over and over and never stop with your idiocy. Btw whats your mom's only fans? I wanna jerk off and only have 5 dollars to spend. Your mom is statistically more likely to be on only fans than a girl getting killed for showing her hair. You hate muslim women? Why do you care if they are safe or not?

Your version of freedom is doing heroin by the corner store until you OD and die

 

Edited October 3, 2025 by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Where will you get killed for not wearing a burka? And why do you always speak about women's rights but not mens rights? You know men have to wear modest clothing too? How much skin can you see shown from these elite Arab rulers?

I can't believe mods give me warnings for saying women are happier in the kitchen but you are allowed to run your filthy mouth on lies upon lies over and over and never stop with your idiocy. Btw whats your mom's only fans? I wanna jerk off and only have 5 dollars to spend

 

Why do you insult my mother? Isn't it perhaps because you're a Muslim, and the violent hatred you harbor from generations of repressed slaves needs to be expressed? Perhaps you should take a knife and go stab someone who drew the pedophile. Then you will go to paradise and then you could have sex

[UnbornTao]

Keep it civil guys.

[Twentyfirst]

34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why do you insult my mother? Isn't it perhaps because you're a Muslim, and the violent hatred you harbor from generations of repressed slaves needs to be expressed? Perhaps you should take a knife and go stab someone who drew the pedophile. Then you will go to paradise and then you could have sex

Why do you insult 1 billion muslim women as slaves and 1 billion muslim men as some bully? 

Why do you not acknowledge that the most dangerous thing for muslim women is western bombs?

Why do you keep spreading propaganda and lies that leads to destruction of muslim nations and then you blame the muslim nations for being destroyed? 

Why are your women dressed like hookers and constantly post online about how men are misogynists?  

I am not insulting your mother. I am saying that there is a 1 percent chance your mom is an only fans sex toy meat object. Versus a 0.00001 chance some crazy muslim father kills his daughter because her hijab slipped off. Statistically I am correct

Don't give out shit, if you aren't willing to eat shit

[Breakingthewall]

This one was a terrorist of Hamas

 

[Breakingthewall]

Another interesting perspective about honor and shame and Muslim culture 

 

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This one was a terrorist of Hamas

 

This guy is paid by zionists lol. You are just to asleep to see through obvious propaganda. Do you get scared when you see a guy with a beard on a plane? Or do you not travel at all because "Mexico has a bug that kills u if you get bit"

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

This guy is paid by zionists lol. You are just to asleep to see through obvious propaganda. Do you get scared when you see a guy with a beard on a plane? Or do you not travel at all because "Mexico has a bug that kills u if you get bit"

Sure he's paid, and sure he believes that he's saying . That guy is not a fool.

Edited October 3, 2025 by Breakingthewall

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure he's paid, and sure he believes that he's saying . That guy is not a fool.

But why are you so obsessed with proving that Islam is bad? Like what do you get out of it? Or you feel under threat so you want to prevent islam but is Islam bombing you? I don't understand

Focus on yourself and idk maybe getting rich and getting a hot obedient woman by your side. It's weird to think about Putin, North Korea, and Afghanistan all day don't you think? You just need to get a life you can be proud of and stop fantasizing the destruction of thousands of year long empires that are far away

[Breakingthewall]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM-Iu_tt_Ob/?igsh=MXU3bTRtZTdvZ2Vm 

Whit this philosophy, what do you expect?

[Twentyfirst]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM-Iu_tt_Ob/?igsh=MXU3bTRtZTdvZ2Vm 

Whit this philosophy, what do you expect?

You are ignoring Zionism with this one. But anyways, why DO YOU care. How does this affect you? You don't have anything better to do? What's your end goal? You won't stop your feminine complaining until what? Until all 2 billion muslims in the world convert to atheism? Until all Palestinians allow themselves to be dominated by Jews and Whites? Until all 1 billion muslim women wear high heels and slut makeup in the street so you can jerk your little dick off imagining them? Or so you can pump and dump them without having to commit? You want all muslims in the world to eat pork? 

Go deeper into enlightenment. You will find out how foolish you are and you will have a nice life

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

But why are you so obsessed with proving that Islam is bad? Like what do you get out of it? Or you feel under threat so you want to prevent islam but is Islam bombing you? I don't understand

Just because im sick listening in Europe how evil is the demonic Jew and the satanic America, abusing of the peaceful Palestinian who are victims of the Levi Jew that want money and rule the world 

[Twentyfirst]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Just because im sick listening in Europe how evil is the demonic Jew and the satanic America, abusing of the peaceful Palestinian who are victims of the Levi Jew that want money and rule the world 

How can you be sick of hearing how evil they are AS THEY ARE committing mass atrocities? 

Don't you think the people being oppressed right now are sick of it?

You want to destroy entire nations after hearing a couple criticisms of your own. But when Hamas has one little tiny attack after being oppressed for a century then suddenly there is an issue?

America is more evil than Satan. And Europe is as close to Neanderthal as you can get. Just accept it and you will be respected more. All you guys do on this forum is prove exactly what is being criticized of you and exactly how stubborn you are to change. You are not tolerant, multicultural, or moral or respectful at all

Edited October 3, 2025 by Twentyfirst

[Breakingthewall]

@Twentyfirst

Sure, they must endure a coalition of nations whose main identity is their extermination, and be kind to them. And those nations that claims for their dissapearance are complaining if they answer when they declare a war against them penetrating in their territory and killing people. And all people in Europe thinks that of course, it's absolutely logical. Those evil Jews should shut up and leave. Well, I don't see it. 

[BlueOak]

8 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

It's easy to call for war when you aren't the one participating in it. Forget all the destruction that comes as a result of your support

How does Iran, Russia, and China threaten you? What have they ever done against you? How are you even so sure that they are wrong and you are right? Maybe Iran/Russia/China are more just places than where you live? How do you know 100% for sure? You only want your side to win this rivalry because you think your side is the more just and honorable 

You just love to live in constant fear rather than live a full life.

Calling for war. SELF REFLECT. 

Telling me not to live in fear, when this is an entire war based on fear. Russia fearing American-backed nonsense along their border, Ukraine fearing the Kremlin's suppression, the east of Europe fearing constant Russian meddling in their domestic affairs, and that's just a snapshot of what's going on. Then we go to Israel and Hamas, who have lived in fear of each other and their religion for centuries.

Russia's entire foreign policy is one of fear projection. And Hamas and Iran's proxies aren't much different. America's not done much to inspire trust among the globe, nor has China. 

I'll tell you exactly what I want from Russia, Iran and China to be left alone.

I would rather have nothing to do with aforementioned countries, in fact i'd rather live on an entirely different planet and never hear, see or interact with them for the rest of my years on this earth. I suppose with the Israelis they'd like exactly the same, they'd much prefer a reality where they didn't have bloothirsty maniacs on their door intent on their destruction, and when their country swings around to the natural balance of that, engaging with it as it does them, they get told then they are the problem. 

Totally gaslit from start to finish.

Your posturing fails to understand human nature.
1) That survival is the highest order. Beyond any morality you care to name..
2) That if we interact with something long enough and indulge it, we synchronise with it, we become it in part.
3) That if you engage in war, you lose the moral high ground to question people doing the same.

At the moment what I want doesn't matter a bit. We have what we have. 

• Iran causing terror via proxies, attacking trade and building nukes.
• Israel stopping this and deciding enough is enough with the religious fanatics next door. Only they've embraced cartoon-level villainy. 
• The Palestinians paying a high price for being born into a hellhole.
• Russia flying jets, and drones overhead, invading their neighbours with constant terror attacks on civilians, and threatening to nuke everyone every five minutes.
• China and India are financing it all, because I guess China just wants to become the next superpower. To do what exactly, tell itself how great it is I suppose. Make the world more like they want the world. A country is never enough for some people.
• Ukraine is fighting back for their independence and paying a heavy cost.
• Europe is backing it but generally being cowardly towards Russia, with some obvious exceptions. (Poland, Baltics, UK etc)
• America is sliding into authoritarianism and deciding to pick on a weaker country to prove how great they all are. Typical strong man Russian BS now reflected in Trump. Man, I loved this eastern alignment they've engineered; it's done wonders for the world. Not.
• Then we've got all the adjacent nations like Pakistan - India, North Korea - South Korea, Thailan - Cambodia etc thinking this is a good time to settle old disputes. Because war breeds war.

All the while I am the bad guy for wanting us to grow a spine and fight back. Apparently, I need to be in every fight I approve or I guess disapprove of personally to be allowed to speak on it, yet you can do so without question.

No. 

This war is entirely rational given Israel's opponents are religious zealots intent on their destruction, and how Iran has partnered with aggressive countries intent on expansion and domination.

Edited October 3, 2025 by BlueOak

[Nivsch]

I always add posts of Israelis just to be clear

Edited October 3, 2025 by Nivsch