Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Hatfort]

39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's valid to acknowledge that Jews have a historical connection to Palestine.

But that doesn't give them the right to kick everyone else off the land.

Jews purchased about 11% of the Palestinian land when they arrived. That's legit and fine. No one disputes that. But that's a far cry from the 80%+ of the land which they now own and the remaining 20% which they de facto militarily govern.

One possible solution to this whole crisis would be if Jews offered to buy out Palestinians handsomely. At least then Palestinians could move elsewhere and not live in abject poverty.

Purchasing lands in a foreign country may give you some rights as a private owner, but not the right to make your own country. If a big group of Chinese people bought a significant part of Namibia, they wouldn't get the right to their own state, that's not how it works. At most they could get to live there as immigrants and abide by the laws there.

Zionists may have purchased a part of Palestine while it was the British Empire, but that doesn't make it less Palestine either. If a group of Japanese had bought 10% of Chad from the French Empire, once decolonized, they wouldn't have the right to establish their colony there showing legal papers of their purchase.

Palestine wasn't empty, it had to be ethnically cleansed with violence so people from foreign countries could establish in there. Israel is a colony, an ethnostate created by and for foreign people without any consideration for the natives that have been relegated to a minority in some places as best, an apartheid system livelihood the second best, an open-air prison life the third, and being massacred at last, and like that for decades, not only now. It's not acceptable, the international community has and is failing. It's only possible because the USA enables it with its money and weapons. In Biden's words, if there wasn't an Israel they would have to invent it, it's unfortunately a strategically valuable point for them in economic geopolitics for many reasons, so there is that too. This is what's happening.

[Nivsch]

@Hatfort The language and terminology the anti Israeli groups use just make it impossible for the brain to break it down to undistorted components. I do not know how to even answer to that and from where to start because the problematic ties inherent in it are so many and vast.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

28 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Purchasing lands in a foreign country may give you some rights as a private owner, but not the right to make your own country. If a big group of Chinese people bought a significant part of Namibia, they wouldn't get the right to their own state, that's not how it works.

Of course, but there could be a negotiation to make it so that Israel could buy land to annex to its state in exchange for something good for the Palestinians.

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course, but there could be a negotiation to make it so that Israel could buy land to annex to its state in exchange for something good for the Palestinians.

There are also a lot of Palestinian refugees around the world. They would then also want some of that money 💰 

[PurpleTree]

I say defeat Russia take some of their land and build a new Palestine or Israel there 🦭 and make it like Singapore rich and nice

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I say defeat Russia take some of their land and build a new Palestine or Israel there 🦭 and make it like Singapore rich and nice

But Jerusalem will be open for both (or all) tribes. And international city not belonging to any country.

[Davino]

I've been reflecting on the Jew psyche. I wonder if the persecution they've faced from the Babylonian exile to the Holocaust has caused a transgenerational trauma in their people. Making them act in unhealthy ways. I'm just contemplating to which extent this has shaped their mind.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Davino said:

the Holocaust has caused a transgenerational trauma in their people.

Absolutely. Some of them indoctrinate their children with photographs of the Holocaust from as early as 4 years old. It is a huge part of their individual and collective identities.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I've been reflecting on the Jew psyche. I wonder if the persecution they've faced from the Babylonian exile to the Holocaust has caused a transgenerational trauma in their people. Making them act in unhealthy ways. I'm just contemplating to which extent this has shaped their mind.

I don't know much about Jews, but I have direct experience seeing how people are indoctrinated because of a genocide that happened to their elders a century ago. It deeply affects people's thinking. I often feel like an alien to them and vice versa, as I don't try to depend on them too much, or more like a familiar alien.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

I've been reflecting on the Jew psyche. I wonder if the persecution they've faced from the Babylonian exile to the Holocaust has caused a transgenerational trauma in their people. Making them act in unhealthy ways. I'm just contemplating to which extent this has shaped their mind.

 

Edited October 5, 2024 by Raze

[Dabidoe]

@Leo Gura Passing along intergenerational trauma and collective paranoia is abosultely part of Jewish culture and is all over the Talmud, oral history and modern Jewish/Israeli culture. 

Remembering the pain of the past is in of our religious rituals. Dipping parsley in saltwater to remember the tears. Jewish mothers are notoriously overbearing and fearful, passing down the collective paranoia embroiled in modern Jewish culture. Our culture perpetuates a shared identity of persecution, largely why Jews were very supportive of civil rights - fighting against oppression is core to our identity.
 
There are many aspects of our traditions designed to instill paranoia passed down about all the oppression. Paranoia is not without it's usefulness ("Only the paranoid survive".) Despite how "powerful" some claim jews are there's still plenty of rational reasons to be paranoid. Plenty of hate and oppression for jews all over the world despite success in America and Israel. 

 Netanyahu and the zealots are so collectively paranoid/fearful of the annhilation of the entire Jewish people that they've decided to recreate the disastrous interventionist wars of the early 2000's. Israel is essentially an extension of the US military - it would have been demolished without international support given how many countries/people want them dead. Israel is very important to the US war machine and people have to pull their head out of their asses thinking it's just some "country we're giving foreign aid to." Israel is the size of New Jersey, has no real natural resources bunch of dried up rock.

Israeli military behaves with same brutality and brashness as the US military, breaking all sorts of International codes of justice/international law when it can reframe initiating ideological warfare as fighting terrorists. We don't give a crap about bombing the hell out of our enemies, or going way out of our way to sabotage anyone who comes close to challenging our supremacy. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by Dabidoe

[Raze]

 

[Nivsch]

The Israeli twitts-tree 🐦🌲 Israelis translated twitts.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Nivsch

[royce]

@Nivsch you posting  nonsense . you're ruining the topic with your shitty low quality  translated tweets 

[Karmadhi]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Absolutely. Some of them indoctrinate their children with photographs of the Holocaust from as early as 4 years old. It is a huge part of their individual and collective identities.

It is interesting that Armenians which went through a brutal genocide themselves during WW1, do not have this victim identity that Jews have from the holocaust.

Nor do they get much sympathy from the world unlike Jews.

How come?

I mean ok, Holocaust was 6 times more people but 1-1.5 million killed is not peanuts.

Also similar proportion of the population were killed in the Armenian genocide as with the Holocaust.

 

[Karmadhi]

By the way does Israel get a kick out of bombing hospitals in every war they fight or?

I saw they are bombing hospitals in South Lebanon and killing medial staff there too.

Why?

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The Israeli twitts-tree 🐦🌲 all twitts are translated from hebrew.

What’s sad is that western governments mostly don’t care about these protests and keep supporting Bibi (mostly US, UK, Germany etc.)

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

By the way does Israel get a kick out of bombing hospitals in every war they fight or?

I saw they are bombing hospitals in South Lebanon and killing medial staff there too.

Why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

[royce]

oh 

https://x.com/N12News/status/1842631718932767173

 

[Heaven]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

It is interesting that Armenians which went through a brutal genocide themselves during WW1, do not have this victim identity that Jews have from the holocaust.

Nor do they get much sympathy from the world unlike Jews.

How come?

I mean ok, Holocaust was 6 times more people but 1-1.5 million killed is not peanuts.

Also similar proportion of the population were killed in the Armenian genocide as with the Holocaust.

 

It’s more interesting how Palestinians have a victim mentality and they never experienced any real war before. 
 

Free Gaza from Hamas.

Free Lebanon from Hizbualla.

Free Iran from this dictatorship.