Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Minini]

 

4 hours ago, integration journey said:

I’m so happy he’s dead. He caused so much suffering to Syria when he intervened with his army in 2012-2013 and butchered Syrians like dogs. He got what he deserved. 

That's an inappropriate thing to say considering the hundreds of Lebanese civilians that got killed to achieve this goal. It's one thing to recognize the evil in both sides and it's another thing to actually cheer the devilry being committed by either side. 

2 hours ago, Heaven said:

Forcing them isn’t the answer, but looking more like the UAE seems to make more sense in the modern world.

The same UAE that is arming and fueling the genocide in Sudan?  

Edited September 28, 2024 by Minini

[Heaven]

@zazen Can’t you say congratulations or well played? Why you always go against?

[Minini]

@Heaven If anything I genuinely feel sorry for Israelis. They are isolating themselves in the region by setting their neighbors on fire and think they would survive living in it for eternity.  

[hundreth]

Hezbollah may be a hydra, but it's running out of heads.

[Leo Gura]

Israel has now created that there will 50 years of endless terrorism across the world.

There is no victory here.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Heaven]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Israel has now created that there will 50 years of endless terrorism across the world.

There is no victory here.

If you disarm Hezbualla like you did with Hamas and you prevent Iran to get a nuclear. Isn’t it a progress?

[Nivsch]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Israel has now created that there will 50 years of endless terrorism across the world.

There is no victory here.

There are two opposed paradigms here as I see it.

1) The first as you said that this can in the long run enhance terror motivation.

2) The second that eliminating the extremists can help more moderate people to take their place if Israel will play smart in the geopolitical field.

If (1) was always true, then we would expect Neo Nazis to be more radical long term, but the elimination of the Nazi regime lead to the moderation of Germany.

We can think those are different cases but I think they are very similar. The Nazis also been created because of Germans feeling of humilliation after WW1, what is very similar to part of Palestinians feeling after Israel establishment that lead to the creation of hamas.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, Heaven said:

If you disarm Hezbualla like you did with Hamas and you prevent Iran to get a nuclear. Isn’t it a progress?

That's never going to happen. The families of all the people killed and hurt will come to terrorize you for 50 years. They want justice.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

but the elimination of the Nazi regime lead to the moderation of Germany.

It's not the same at all. Because Israel is the colonizer in this case and Arab people are infuriated over that. They will demand justice unless you kill all the Arabs.

You can kill everyone in Hezbollah and Arabs will still want to kill you.

Nazi Germany was pacified because it was forcefully expelled from all occupied land. That is not happening with Israel. Israel keeps expanding. Your analogy is backwards because you assume that Israel must be the good guys. But Israel is preceived by Arabs as the colonizer. It doesn't matter if you agree with that view or not, what matters is that they agree with it and it fuels their fighting. The reason terorists will keep coming for 50 years is because they regard Israel as Nazi Germany which needs to be resisted at any costs.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not the same at all. Because Israel is the abuser of power in this case and Arab people are infuriated over that. They will demand justice unless you kill all the Arabs.

You can kill everyone in Hezbollah and Arabs will still want to kill you.

What is the difference between the most of Europeen countries that use their power against Germany in WW1 and then again the Allied against Germany in WW2. I would expect German people to be infuriated over that and be more and more hostile to Europe during the decades, but the opposite has happened. Right this is not totally the same but the feelings of humilliation of the extremist sectors are.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

What is the difference between the most of Europeen countries that use their power against Germany in WW1 and then again the Allied against Germany in WW2. I would expect German people to be infuriated over that and be more and more hostile to Europe during the decades, but the opposite has happened. Right this is not totally the same but the feelings of humilliation is.

Terrorists are not Nazi Germany. Terrorism is a grass roots organic reactionary movement. It doesn't live in any one nation. You cannot conquer its headquarters. Even if you kill everyone in Lebanon terrorists from all around will come for you.

Terrorism is a reaction to colonization and preceived injustice. To end terrorism you have to stop upsetting people.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nazi Germany was pacified because it was forcefully expelled from all occupied land. That is not happening with Israel. Israel keeps expanding. Your analogy is backwards because you assume that Israel must be the good guys. But Israel is preceived by Arabs as the colonizer. It doesn't matter if you agree with that view or not, what matters is that they agree with it and it fuels their fighting. The reason terorists will keep coming for 50 years is because they regard Israel as Nazi Germany which needs to be resisted at any costs.

I think the far Right Wingers like smotrich or Bengvir and the like are almost as bad guys as the Right wing of Palestinians because they force Israelis and Israeli soldiers to ever be in friction with Palestinians what is toxic to really everyone from both sides.

If I understand you here then the very existance of Israel is the reason for terror, even if Israel would be established in a perfectly polite and moral way, because the real issue (and this is my view already) is that a very different entity with very different values exists between them.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Nivsch

[royce]

The right understands the right

Edited September 28, 2024 by royce

[royce]

### Preliminary Analysis of the Assassination of Hezbollah’s Secretary-General

- Sameh Askar 

Let’s try to summarize the overall context and use straightforward language to explain the complexities involved.

**First:** It appears that Israel and the United States have been collaborating over the years to plant high-precision surveillance devices in the southern suburbs of Beirut (Dahieh). This would explain why all assassinations of Hezbollah leaders occur there; Israel seems to have limited intelligence beyond this area. Every prominent party leader who has been targeted was located in Dahieh.

This situation requires thorough sweeping and review of the area, which I believe Lebanon is not currently capable of conducting effectively on its own. Assistance from foreign powers, particularly Russia and China, may be needed—not Iran, as it is evident that the Iranians are also not as advanced in this field, for reasons not to be discussed here.

**Second:** It also seems that Israel and the United States have managed to infiltrate an important faction of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). This doesn't necessarily mean they have recruited agents within, but they might have planted surveillance devices among them or in their usual locations. A major piece of evidence supporting this is that whenever there is an assassination in Dahieh, an Iranian advisor from the IRGC is also involved. This suggests prior knowledge of the movements of these leaders.

The Iranians urgently need to initiate a scientific and political revolution to salvage what they can, as any escalation could result in the assassination of high-ranking Iranian state leaders, or even the Supreme Leader himself. The dimensions of this revolution should include cooperation with the Russians to uncover and analyze these developments, as Russia is highly advanced in this field and possesses the technical expertise to detect Western spying methods. The Russians have a history of dealing with such techniques, from the Chechen and Georgian conflicts to the current situation in Ukraine.

**Third:** The Middle East is likely heading towards a significant regional war in the near future. The assassination of Hassan Nasrallah would eliminate any prospects of "Lebanese political harmony," paving the way for more extreme and aggressive leadership within Hezbollah. The Secretary-General was not just a political party leader; he was an inspiration, an ideology, and a charismatic figure who wielded wide influence in Lebanon and managed to foster communication with different Lebanese factions. Over 20 years, he established a political consensus that effectively shaped the Lebanese scene.

With the assassination of Nasrallah, a new leader will emerge who may not possess the patience and self-restraint Nasrallah demonstrated over the past year. Nasrallah’s approach was characterized by measured responses, which led to criticism and accusations of failing Gaza, as he insisted on referring to Lebanon as the "supporting front." Although this stance had adverse security consequences, leading to these breaches, he maintained this position until the last moment.

As of now, we do not know who the new leader will be or what their character and policies will be like, but it is likely they will come with a dual motivation of revenge and self-affirmation. These emotions are enough to trigger an escalation and a demonstration of power that Nasrallah deliberately refrained from showing in the recent period.

**Fourth:** The new leader of Hezbollah will likely be pressured to intensify attacks and use weapons that have not previously been deployed.

**Fifth:** Hezbollah’s allies within the "Axis of Resistance" will also likely escalate their attacks in a show of solidarity and unity of stance. We might see widespread acts of retaliation, given Nasrallah’s central role as an inspiring leader within this axis. His support for other factions, especially in Yemen, has been significant, and we may see more assertive actions from the Yemenis as a result.

**Sixth and finally:** Those who predict or promote the collapse of Hezbollah or the resistance clearly do not understand the ideological and psychological makeup of the "Muslim fighter," who views such incidents as part of God's decrees. Such events do not provoke overwhelming anger, weakness, or exaggerated mourning. Instead, Nasrallah would transform into a popular icon and legend in both Lebanese and Arab contexts. His assassination at the hands of Israel would grant him power and standing not just in the Shia community but also within the Sunni community, as he gave his life in their defense.

In conclusion, the assassination of Nasrallah is a crucial chapter in fostering Sunni-Shia solidarity against occupation. As the saying goes, every cloud has a silver lining; this event has completely discredited the notion of "Shia collaboration with Israel," which has been widely promoted in the Sunni community. This narrative was spread by Wahhabi propaganda over the past two decades to justify sectarian massacres and to solidify the power and influence of jihadist factions that emerged from Wahhabi ideology specifically and Western intelligence agencies more generally.

 

In the same context...

Arab intelligence agencies and Arab security are required in the coming period to understand and interpret this breach and study the idea of planting eavesdropping devices over a large geographic area or in places where leaders and influencers are present...

Israel has become more aggressive and will continue to become even more so, with endless support from the United States. It will raise its demands on Arab regimes and countries, especially after the official rejection of normalization with Saudi Arabia and the crisis of the Philadelphi Corridor with Egypt.

Currently, Israel is experiencing a media victory, with a state of political and societal euphoria similar to what it experienced in 1967, with some differences. In 1967, Israel gained Arab land, but in 2024 it is practicing state terrorism by assassinating leaders of its opponents.

This euphoria and self-pride, along with the ongoing security threat posed by resistance rockets, means we are dealing with a war criminal project with no limits—no barriers preventing it from achieving its dreams and ambitions that were previously silenced during moments of weakness.

Betting on the United States is a losing gamble, not only because the U.S. is currently losing in the global power struggle, but also because Lebanon is paying the price for this gamble now. The CIA has infiltrated key aspects of the Lebanese state, planting eavesdropping devices and booby-trapping areas like the southern suburbs. What would prevent the agency from doing the same in other Arab countries?

Edited September 28, 2024 by royce

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, royce said:

The right understands the right

It's insane that Dugin at the same time calls Israeli action a genocide and then uses that as his example of how Russia ought to be.

Dugin's argument: If you gonna genocide, do it quickly and decisively. Haha. But the reason that can't work is because the US is backing both Ukraine and Israel.

Dugin is such a clownish figure.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, maybe that's how one thinks when one is in love with some kind of ideal of one's country.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, maybe that's how one thinks when one is in love with some kind of ideal of one's country.

Dugin is horny for a war with the West. He jerks off to it.

[integration journey]

2 hours ago, Minini said:

 

That's an inappropriate thing to say considering the hundreds of Lebanese civilians that got killed to achieve this goal. It's one thing to recognize the evil in both sides and it's another thing to actually cheer the devilry being committed by either side. 

The same UAE that is arming and fueling the genocide in Sudan?  

Is it appropriate to kill thousands of Syrians and destroy so many Syrian cities and make people displaced from their homeland? No, then it’s a good thing that he died. I just wish Syrians killed him and not the Israelis 

[hundreth]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Israel has now created that there will 50 years of endless terrorism across the world.

There is no victory here.

There is a side of this we aren't mentioning. 

Hezbollah hijacked Lebanon. They were considered a necessary evil because of their so called protection capabilities. Now, it is clear they have had their state enlisted in a war for a cause they did not choose. Even more, they have not been protected. 

This has been a wake up call for many Lebanese, who are already facing many challenges outside of Israel - that it may be time to take their nation back.

Edited September 28, 2024 by hundreth

[hundreth]

Also keep in mind that Hezbollah began firing rockets at Israel on October 8th. One day after the massacre, and before any Israeli response. This is what they signed up for.