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Projection I would rather die in suicide for a worthy cause than to die in combat to oppress people

If you raise children to hate a vastly superior enemy, and teach them that martyrdom and suicide are the supreme values, then don't complain when they exterminate you. You can do it, but there are consequences. It's like when the Nazis declared war on the entire world, weren't very clever, and then ended up destroying everything. Cause and effect. If you want war with someone ten times stronger, bad. It's better to compete with them in intelligence, in industry, even learn from them and collaborate with them, become their friends. Respect their religion and share your sacred places. How crazy, right? Much better to go and commit suicide with a huge bomb attached to your body at a crowded dinner. That's the wise way to act.

Maybe it's stupid, But after three wars with the intention of extermination, plus other smaller wars and thousands of deaths in attacks carried out by a people who worship hatred, the Jews do not trust Hamas, whose essential principle is the expulsion of Jews from Israel. You find it scandalous that the Jews do not allow these people to develop, but for the Jews, the development of Palestine means that it develops its essential principle, which is the deadly hatred of Israel. Perhaps if you had a neighbor who hates you to death and raises his children in hatred, you would think it a beautiful idea if he had rifles, tanks, and hypersonic missiles, and that honors you as a human being. But you must understand that not everyone is as selfless as you. Now you will answer: but they came after and the Palestinian were there first. Well ok, maybe they should commit collective suicide, but it's normal that they don't do, even some people is very sure that they should.

Wikileaks leaked emails revealing Israeli officials admit they keep Gazas economy on the brink of collapse https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna40926651 They can’t “grow the economy” when it is blockaded to stop that from happening, Gaza has a high literacy rate and high amount of college graduates but they usually end up unemployed with no ability to change it. Israel even limits how much they can fish and regularly kills Gazan fishermen. In the West Bank israel uses various tactics to make life there nearly unlivable. Palestinians are forced to wait hours outside checkpoints, there are plenty of documented cases of pregnant women being forced to give birth on the road because they won’t open them. It’s only suicide of Israel as a Jewish supremacist state that’s based on subjugation of Palestinians. Palestinains hate Israel’s subjugation of them, yes. The same way south africans hated whites who oppressed them during apartheid. In the case of apartheid whites were only 10% of the population, while Israelis are 50%, so they actually had more to fear. But it seems Israel’s internal racism is much stronger than apartheid and they are far less willing to give up their dream of an ethnosupremacist project built on someone else’s home. If you really want a two state solution will you and the IDF go and forcibly remove the hundreds of thousands of settlers who were specifically placed there to stop a two state solution? Let me guess, no. There’s almost no point in talking to you because everything is in one ear and out the other. ”why complain”. You haven’t disputed a single point I made, those would be the reasons people complain. If a country was keeping millions of Jews occupied without human rights, regularly arresting them without trial, allowing Muslims to demolish their homes and move in, regularly killing them, would you say “why are Jews complaining, just be good sports and let it happen”? No. But you have some bizarre dehumanizations of Muslims that not only do you think they are all violent and unreasonable but somehow they should also accept being endlessly brutalized in unreasonable circumstances. The former Israeli prime minister and the former head of Israel’s own internal security both admitted if they were Palestinian they’d take up arms and fight israel because of what they go through. It’s quite silly even the leaders involved with designing the actual situation of Palestinians can see this but you can’t. Sometimes I feel like people like you know very well but act obtuse for some reason. And again, the Muslim states have offered israel full normalization if it just gives up the occupation of remaining Palestinian territories, the last time a actual Muslim state (not a gurella force) attacked Israel was decades ago. Their position is in line with international law and agreed upon by nearly every other country in the world, feel free to look up the UN vote for two states.

Become smart, organized, civilized, scientist, grow the economy, open their mind, be engineers, do art, movies, be happy, love each others, dance and live. So they should give a state to people who has a main sign of identity hating them? Would you do that? Why? Suicide?

This is a political suicide to Israel as a liberal state. Two State Solution is the right one.

Well, if Nazi Germany was attacked by suicide bombers who killed 1,000 Germans civilians, their sentiment would quickly resemble that of Israelis. Keep in mind that Nazis hated Jews without Jews even killing any of them. Imagine the shitstorm there'd be if Jews were doing weekly suicide attacks in Wiemar Germany.

Hello guys , hope you all do well , I personally have failed in life , I’m 24 years old , I work from 15 years old selling and re selling electronics etc so I have my own money , my dream was always to be someone and something special in this life and make my parents proud , but instead I feel like a trash , my mom is a Jehovah’s Witness and she will not accept me unless I join her religion and my father left us when I was 10 years old and I don’t have good communication with him , I never achieved something great in my life ( being a professional football player , ufc fighter , singer or something like that ) I was busy surviving and feeding myself and my little sister , but I can’t sleep at night , I see lost potential in me that I never really achieved , what will happen if I suicide ? Will I be re born with a different form ? Will I be re born as a tree or I will be the one who will chose what my next chapter will be ? I don’t ever want to be born as the person I am now , life is suffering only , I prefer to never ever live again than live the life I have lived , sorry for the bad aura of the paragraph .

Well, I am not giving up mostly because I have already accumulated enough wealth, so I will keep doing whatever I have been doing just for fun. But, there are thousands if not millions of people who have been in the online business for 20+ years and literally all have come to the same conclusion. It is now the end for small businesses in general and starting a new business in 2025 is a financial suicide. It is a bigger gamble than putting your money into crypto or meme stocks.

@Rezo gelenidze Don't commit suicide by killing your body. Commit suicide by killing your ego. Life will continue without an ego. Thoughts like "I want to be special", "I am not good enough" will vanish. Because the "I" that wants those things will vanish. Remove your ego and live a live in peace, bliss, calmness, regardless of your circumstances.

I've been there. You need a spiritual reason not to commit suicide in my opinion. Only those reasons that your highest self holds on to can make you live through the greatest pain. Study some Buddhist and Sufi stuff. Their teachings recognize the deep poverty and pain of life and revolve a lot of their teachings around it. Leo's teachings are more about finding pure truth on one hand, and actualizing your potential / life purpose on the other hand. It doesn't really teach you how to go through shit like this. I also recommend you do some trauma healing by doing Teal Swan practices. This audio got me through it many times: And you are still young, you can still actualize success and your life purpose. But devise a strategy of life with failure in mind.

From my research I have come to prepare myself suicide or not that depending on your state of vibrational frequency ... Not thoughts or emotion like core belief of being like maybe you believe for example in a Hell while your thoughts or emotions wish for a heaven ... The state of clarity you die with and those core beliefs will mirror your energy into an echo chamber here after. So if you have shame or you believe you deserve to punished in eternal torment then that is what carries over, and in the astral realms what you intend is what you get and you create your own reality ... But even in the hell realms your vibration will be a million-fold of what you fear here on earth, you may hear screaming and gnashing of teeth, blackness blacker than black, deformed entities that lead you away with malicious manipulation and tell you horrid things or rip you apart, or take you to realms more real than this life, or into torturous environments ... All millionfold more than anything you have experienced here ... Like those hell realms make the worst of life you've endured here on earth seem a park picnic in comparison, like your pure hate for someone in this life is more like love than the hate those entities feel for you in a realm like that ... But ... Until you crack open and start telling yourself you deserve love and create love and reach for divine miraculous intervention then the realm shifts instantly to a white light with angelic avatars or christ like entities ... It's messed up I know because before coming across this information I finally had a method I wanted to lean to since all my research for methods are essentially off limits like pure helium is hard to obtain, or pills don't have the the stuff in them like they used to overdose on and it's really hard to these days to find something effective but ... When I did get close to a method finally then a new thread appeared of hell realm nde experiences not just the ones of unconditional love - the unconditional love ones make up for like 95 percent of deaths while the hell ones are rare but do happen at like maybe 5 percent - I personally hoped for Universalism as a belief I've finally found a word for but I think in the ultimate sense might be so but also that if say Leo is correct and everything is my own solipsistic bubble then maybe the whole nde reports are also just figments of my own dream and the end is truly unknown

Hi man. Sorry you are feeling this way .I'm gonna give you a blunt answer. Because you need to hear it . Kinda tough love . Forget about suicide completely. You have no idea what you are getting yourself into. Death is not something you flirt with . I would say so what if you are even below average class and not living a wealthy luxurious lifestyle? The majority of people on this planet are not rich nor successful. They just work in a job that earns them enough to eat and pay the bills and that's it . Another point is you still can turn your life 180 degrees. But this requires work.if you start from a low level in a video game like GTA then you gotta build your life by working in a shitty tiresome job .then save money .then once you you've saved enough money you can start a business or invest in the stock market . I suggest you post this thread in the career's section .there are lots of people here who can guide you out of this funk financially. Much love 🙏.

Aren’t they the only country to not only use nukes once but twice - when they didn’t even have to and definetely weren’t backed into any corner? All the way in Japan who was by many accounts already on the brink of surrender - and on the civilian filled cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If moral development is defined by restraint of power then they have failed. Pakistan have nukes and are almost similar to Palestinians in terms of sharing the same Sunni Islam belief system, dealing with internal fanaticism, and being in a tense neighbourhood (India-Pakistan). Pakistan is also very low on material development and hasn’t yet used its nukes despite being gaslit as a terrorist state post 9/11. Like you said - desperate people do desperate things. But you’re conflating desperation with depravity. And conflating suicidality with morality - without looking at the structural causes. Suicide bombings are obviously horrific but are acts of desperation in asymmetric warfare - typically by stateless, oppressed populations who lack conventional means. Resistance from the oppressed (even when ugly) isn’t equivalent to domination from the powerful. Suicidal acts are a reflection of hopelessness, not moral inferiority. Japan and South Korea are rich nations with high suicide rates - a signal of hopelessness at a societal level, not moral inferiority.

Do not consider suicide an option. Firstly, if you are thinking about this - please seek professional help. Secondly - do you really want to commit such an act to your body, or do you just want this current phase of your existence to end? Most of my friends who went through suicidal ideation didn't really want to die, they wanted to end their current circumstances. 24 years old is so young.... please know, your existence, just existing... is valid. You don't actually have to do anything at all in life, you are worthy and allowed to just be. That is so OK. We are all children in different stages of an aged body... free to play and do whatever we want. Free to love and be loved. You may not have received this message that you are valid and OK to just exist, free of the cycle of needing to pretzel yourself into something for someone else. But that is what you should have been shown when growing up. The only reason I say the above is because you seem very caught up in needing to be useful. Successful... needing to be anything other than the bright, vibrant & beautiful being that you ARE. Just be that, because its worthy. You have time to make small changes - every small change and hurdle you overcome prepares you for the next one. But truly I want you to reach out and seek help <3

@Rezo gelenidze @Rezo gelenidze Just remember guys, financial success is only one very tiny form of success there are many many other types and forms of success. You could be successful with your relationship with a person or perhaps you could have success in being a good person morally, you could be successful at talking to a girl regardless of whether it leads to a date or you could be successful at meditating a few times. So just be gentle with yourselves, because ultimately it's very rare and highly unlikely that you guys have not been successful in some respect. If you have a flavor for Leo's content that points to a deep form of psychological evolution which is extremely rare and is a sign of major mental success already. Truth be told, every day you wake up and make it to bed after is successful. You have successfully existed. It can actually be quite difficult to be so powerful that all you need to do to succeed is exist....to just "be." Think about why God calls himself "I am." If you can get to the point where you realize that all you have to do to succeed is exist, you can recognize that this is basically all god does. God's only real purpose is to exist and love itself... Literally. My short answer is that failure doesn't actually exist. But like don't do suicide, like you could enjoy life. Just be patient with yourself ❤️ if it feels right you could continue coming back to the forum here and pursue spirituality more deeply. I find this to be one of the most powerful soothing agents for psychologic pain. There are also a lot of nice people here who could be your friends myself included

- pre-Israel Zionists had organized terror militias, Palestinians didn’t even have an army, it was Zionist’s that introduced tactics like hiding bombs in shops. They were more “developed” technology and tactically than Palestinians but they were arguably less civilized as they were far more violent than Palestinians who lived relatively peacefully with their minorities prior to Zionism. - during the 48 war, the Arab states did far less massacres of civilians in their captured territory than Zionists. When Arab states ethnically cleansed their Jews they killed a fraction of the civilians compared to Israel among the Palestinians it expelled. Yet the Arab states at time were far less “developed” than the European Zionist colonialists, their armies still used camels and they had low rates of literacy. - Israel does not “mostly” avoid civilian casualties. Look up siege of Beirut, a new idf soldier refused his orders saying they’d kill too many civilians and they stripped him of his rank and did it anyway, or the goldstone report which found they purposefully targeted civilians. Soldiers literally bragged to the media about how many civilians they could shoot during the great march of return. - for the current war NYT reported Israel was ok with killing hundreds of civilians in strikes if they suspected a Hamas commander would be hit. By this standard the suicide bombing aren’t terrorism because they can argue they may have hit a soldier off duty. A Us Gov whistleblower told 60 minutes Israel killed 70 civilians to bomb a tunnel that they didn’t even believe had a combatant in it. If a Palestinian militant killed 70 civilians to destroy some military structure that no one was inside you’d call them an undeveloped terrorist. But when Israel does it somehow it’s not as bad because they self declare to be civilized. - what makes you think Palestinian militants never worried about civilian casualties? Suicide bombings only showed up in the 80s after decades of brutal occupation, the first by Hamas was only approved after idf made the Hamas founder listen to audio of them torturing his son. They stopped doing suicide bombings for over a decade (aside from recent attempts) because of the heat they got for hitting civilians. Meanwhile Israel let settlers kill more and more Palestinian civilians. - that’s like saying if you had a kid you’d rather they be born in nazi Germany than the Warsaw ghetto or they be born white in apartheid South Africa than black. Having better living standards at the expense of others does not make you the lesser of two evils. You keep defaulting to the assumption that development automatically is reflected in actions and morality, that is not true, you can be more developed on paper and commit morally worse crimes than a lesser developed grip. You can be more developed and still be a greater evil compared to a lesser developed group if you are committing worse crimes.

If you define it that broadly then yes, basically all war/violence and even policing is terrorism. Does Israel do some terrorism? Yes. The real difference is that Israel is a democratic state with some semblance of rule of law and some checks and balances. Moreso than Hamas. As a state Israel does not do suicide bombings of buses in Palestine. Israel also has rules for avoiding civilian casualties even though those rules are sometimes broken. But if you actually read the history of how they do targetted assassinations, they have canceled many hits of important Hamas terrorists simply because too many civilians were around. They may cancel a hit 5 days in a row just to ensure that no children are present. This is a historical fact. And it has exceptions. We usually call it terrorism when there is deliberate targetting of civilians. And Israel has even done that. But mostly they avoid it. For example, Israel will never hijack an international airplane full of Arabs and threaten to blow them up. That is pure terrorism. Hamas will do that to Jews. This issue requires extreme nuance, not sloppy false equivalence. Israel does evil, but it is a more civilized evil. And that difference matters. All groups do evil. It's a matter of degree and barbarity. I am fully aware of Israel's evils. But there is still a difference. The bottom line is that if you were to choose for your children to be born in Gaza or Israel, you would choose Israel because it is more civilized. In the end, that's what wins. It's not about fancy moral philosophy, it's about survival. Civilizations wins even as it does evil, because it is a lesser evil.

I struggled a lot with solipsism for years since basically having a spiritual experience of it at 20 years old. The days after it, I remember laying on the couch, trembling with fear inside, while my parents left to do groceries, and at that moment I was basically aware that the moment they left my field of experience and I heard the door shut, they didn't exist anymore. It was horrendous and I cried. I didn't help that Leo was starting to explicitly affirm solipsism on the forum at that time. It also didn't help that my mental and physical health worsened the years after and I was contemplating suicide. I tried everything to shed the idea, mostly with trying to delude myself with religious beliefs. But of course nothing helped because nothing can veil the truth once you've seen it. In the end, after much contemplation of all different ways reality could be, if not solipsism; I realized one thing. Reality would be evil if solipsism is not true. And imagining others is the highest love you could have for them. You love them so much that you simply make them up out of thin air. Solipsism is the highest Good. And to be honest, most of this thread is just cope. I know every trick there is to hide solipsism from yourself. In the end solipsism can't be explained away by any theories because Consciousness doesn't abide by any theories. Solipsism and Consciousness don't abide by any theories or stories. It's simply what is here now. All other minds are imagined by what is here right now.

@zazen Not to mention that, that lunatic said that the current leaders of Europe, with their policies, want to commit euthanasia on the European population! BRO, Imagine being so braindead and retarded to believe something like this! Just imagine the level of stupidity and mental illness to believe something like this! Europe is committing euthanasia to it's people? What about the Russians that send their prisoners as canon fodder on the front line? What about the arabs that commit suicide bomb attacks for endless virgins after death? What about the hamas october 2023 terrorist attack that now provokes the extinction of the Palestinians? I've never been more enraged by someone's statements and stupidity like I am now from that retarded video of yours!

That doesn’t mean their actions or positions are automatically worse morally. An adult has higher moral development than a child, but if the adult rapes someone, their action was morally worse. Even the major terrorism examples like suicide bombings or plane hijacking’s only showed up after they had already been occupied for decades btw. Your mistake is assuming that’s always an outgrowth of moral development as opposed to strategic positioning and desperation. If I took a highly morally developed ethics professor and locked him in a prison with no food and he starts cannibalizing the inmates would we say I guess he is less developed than the average joes outside the prison who don’t engage in that behavior? I don’t think so.

Attachment seems to be the most problematic aspect of being self aware. Being aware of something that’s not actually there, is hard to deal with. Knowing that everything that arises here in awareness is nothing more than a fleeting mirage. I read some of (Philip Mainlanders) pessimistic philosophy where he talks about the idea that God committed suicide and that the universe is the rotting corpse of God’s body, where everything that is alive is ultimately heading for death, to be born is to be committed to a death sentence. It’s depressing for humans to be aware of their own mortality. If the brief period between two perfect nothingnesses is my illusory life, then I guess there’s nothing really special about me or others. My life was just like watching a movie where the realisation that nothing is real is what makes it all endurable I guess. Watching the movie of I can feel like being aware of my nonexistence. It’s quite stomach churning and at the same time beautifully satisfying and relieving.

Imagine you were just a peaceful civilian living in Ukraine 3 years ago. You would hate the Ukranian government. Now matter how bad things were in Ukraine under Russian influence, they are way worse now. It is a mistake to provoke a more powerful and shameless opponent because they will take it out on your people. Thats what Russia did. Fair or unfair, it is how psychology and politics work. The bottom line is that when you are weak you are not in a position to dictate term and suicide alliances will not make your country better off. See how easy I can flip the script It is an analogy to Ukraine for going against Russia and siding with its enemies because they wanted to improve the living conditions for their own. Russia would have never attacked if Maidan didnt happen and they kept Yanakovic or someone similar to him. Although I support Ukraine (and Palestine too), I think that whole thing was a disaster and they would have been better off becoming another pro Russian state like Belarus, Kazakstan or Mongolia.

It's a pretty basic component of human nature to go into cognitive dissonance whenever one takes actions that are against their own values. And people who care about animals but also contribute to their suffering and death through their lifestyle choices on a purely voluntary basis, have a variety of different ways to deal with that cognitive dissonance... which involves coming up with all sorts of defenses... often ones that they don't believe in themselves. And they will quickly abandon a defense once it doesn't work and try to find another to hide behind. Here are some common defenses that non-Vegans with Vegan values give to square the circle in their own mind... "Veganism is unhealthy." "But plants are also alive! And yet, you're fine with eating them! So, Vegans are hypocrites." "Existing as a human being harms the environment. So, going Vegan is self-negation tantamount to suicide." "Some people need to eat meat to survive because of food scarcity!" (employed by people who aren't dealing with food scarcity) "Veganism is an insult to traditional culture." "But how will we grow enough plants to feed everyone?" (This one is my favorite because 80% of crops are grown to feed livestock... and it takes 16 lbs of grain to produce one pound of beef. And as soon as people realize that this argument is in favor of Veganism because Veganism requires fewer crops to be grown compared to an omnivorous diet), they immediately ditch their concern about "How will we grow enough plants.") "The Bible says it's okay to eat meat." "It's unnatural not to eat animals." "Human beings are superior to animals, so eating them is justified." "Animals shouldn't have the exact same rights as humans." (when the argument is that animal life should be prioritized over human pleasure... not that animals should have the same rights) "The same number of animals will die whether I eat them or not." (This appeal to futility was my justification prior to going Vegan.) "But what about field deaths?" (when more field deaths happen because 80% of crops are grown to feed livestock) "Domesticated animals would go extinct if we didn't breed them for food." "Domesticated animals would over-populate if we didn't kill them for food." "Humans are at the top of the food chain. And animals' purpose for existence is to be eaten by humans." "Other animals, like lions, also eat meat. So, why don't you have a problem with lions eating meat when you do have a problem with humans eating meat." "I only eat grass-fed livestock. So, I'm not being cruel." "I only eat halal meat. So, I'm not being cruel." "Vegans are just trying to virtue signal and be superior. So, Veganism isn't anything to be taken seriously." "Veganism is for rich people." "You will never save all the animals. So, what's the point in trying?" "One person going Vegan won't make a difference." These are really common anti-Vegan arguments that all Vegans hear ad-infinitum. The trick is to realize that the people who are arguing with you don't disagree with you.... they disagree with their own actions. And they're scrambling to find a good defense to quiet the cognitive dissonance. If you were really interested in questioning the philosophy of Veganism, then you should at least understand how people react to it.

My theory is that I can only commit suicide if the pain of living is bigger than the fear of the unknown of death ..I mean let's fucking face it ..you'd shit your pants if someone pointed a gun towards your head and you'd turn into a complete pu**y...I'm just being as honest and blunt as possible because I need an explanation. How can someone's suffering be greater than the "nightmarish " fear of death ? Anyone have any explanation from a philosophical perspective? Its like You still have an attachment for life . Killing the body is no guarantee of less suffering. That’s a projection-based story you’re telling yourself. Do you want to deal with suffering in an existence you at least understand and can control to a certain degree?...or are you feeling lucky and ready to gamble on what comes after death by commiting suicide? It’s all just a guessing game really.