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LambdaDelta replied to Butters's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Indeed it is. One of the first things that's much simpler to see from 'one is all' perspective is that the entirety of God is right here, right now, in your teacup. The very notion of perspective only exists in duality. You can explore and tweak this from endless angles, each direction completely bottomless, and it always converges back to One in the most beautiful mindfuck. Inconceivable states of consciousness could be reached this way, not possible or at least much more challenging to get to when you're stuck at 'all is one' because there's no one left to inquire into anything. But you as God can inquire into yourself forever and still still surprise yourself. 'Regular' nonduality doesn't explain how Truth is Love, why there's evil, doesn't let you see divine intelligence in stupidity and mundane, doesn't allow for holding paradox simultaneously beyond simply collapsing it, and so on. That's just the basics and there's higher gears beyond. -
Aaron p replied to Butters's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This is something I'd like to hear about cuz Leo once said that awakening goes beyond regular nonduality... -
Has anyone made a post or a short list of where Leo's teachings different from 'regular' nondual teachings? I'm not well versed in any other teachings but saw this video and the teachings all sound the same as Leo's: You are living in the dream but your suffering feels 100% real. The ego will always find subtle ways to reinforce itself All is one, but burn through karma
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Someone here replied to Tristan12's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Tristan12 also I suggest reading and listening to Robert Adams. He is a an american classical nonduality teacher who died in the 90s. Google his name and read and listen to him. -
PurpleTree replied to Snt_lk's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What do you think is closer to the truth This kind of I created everything solipsism? Or this kind of no self there isn’t anybody radical nonduality? @Leo Gura -
Stage blue is absolutist, conformist and the rise of civilization. Absolute belief in one right and true way. And obedience to authority. Relies solely in belief in some higher authority. A God. It is collectivist rather than individualistic. It seeks to be involved within the collective. It's life is intertwined with the life of the collective. The collectivist stages work for the higher good of the collective, whereas individualistic stages work for the development of the self. Strong emphasis on religion and the afterlife. If you take a stage blue person, and you talk with him about these values, you are going to become his best friend. Beware of a sneaky politician who would take all these keywords from this list and then go rallying and tell that stage blue audience everything it wants to hear. And that crowd will forever become loyal to that politician. That politician will tell them everything they believe in and everything they want to hear. The simple fact that you are watching a video about spiral dynamics on your own volition, this puts you on the spiral into the high orange, maybe green or even low yellow, stage wise. Also while watching this spiral dynamics video series, when you will be reading a stage's value set list, you will say in your mind, yes, that's it, this is what is good for me and the world. If you are at stage blue, You will agree with everything on the list bellow. But if you are at a higher stage you will disagree with most of the things on this list. Values of stage blue Absolute truth and ideology (They hold their ideology sacred. To them their truth is the absolute truth, there is no room for other truths, there is no room for other ideologies but the one that blue believes it is right.) Belief, faith and certainty in their set of values (There is a clear right and wrong) Stage Blue values hard work, discipline and duty. Law and order Justice ( Justice goes hand in hand with the enforcement of their truth, they want to enforce their civilization onto others, their worldview enforced onto others). Blue values hierarchy, social order and the status quo( there is no need to inovate and to be progressive. Our tradition, the way our ancestors did it is the absolute best way to live life) Blue values patriarchy ( Women are there to serve men! Men are the enforcers, they do all the hard work, and women get the benefits of that, and therefore the women should raise the childern and cook food. Women should not hold any position of power acording to blue. And this is not bad, that is the hirarchy, that's the role of the woman) Meaning and greater purpose( Blue's greater purpose is not selfish, it is to be a good citizen, to follow the rules, to be a good christian, to raise his family, or to be a good wife or a good husband, but ultimately is to serve God) Morality is huge for stage blue( A strong sense of right and wrong) Culture, Tradition and heritage( Those values are sacred to blue, they get extremely defensive when attacked on cultural or traditional ground! They need to defend to the teeth their culture and tradition and customs) Crusading for a righteous cause Serving God Theology and doctrine. Orthodoxy, dogma and conformity (Stage blue beliefs that absolute truth has been written by god himself in a book) Stage blue values family very highly Obedience and reverence Respect for your elders God and country (Patriotism, our country is the best country) Righteous living(you live your life according to principles, you have a strong moral code of conduct, you have a sense of honor Reputation (How others perceive you) Good manners, decency, dress etiquette, hair regulations, uniforms. They find profanity offensive. They find as blasphemy speaking down to authority, don't speak down to God. You need to submit to God. Blue values prayer. You pray to God for the things that you need. Blue values authority books like the Bible, the Quran, the constitution etc. Blue believes that you can write the absolute truth in a book. Pledges and allegiances, rituals and ceremonies. Very eager to obey authority, whether is the priest, the pope, mohamed, jesus, or a teacher. Blue values the afterlife. (Heaven, hell and salvation) Strict church attendance every Sunday. Blue wants extreme self control and the suppression of your emotions. Blue values charity, giving back to his community . Values loyalty and hates traitors( Traitors are people who refuse to obey the absolute truth that blue blindly follows) Blue values borders( Borders with their neighbours) Blue values integrity and good character When does blue emerge Blue emerges when the limitations of red are exhausted. Characteristics of blue For blue life has meaning direction and purpose, with predetermined outcomes. Blue always searches for order, security and stability Blue is trying to be concrete and likes to develop structures Dedicated, responsible and meticulous Trustworthy, predictible and loyal Righteous stable living Obedience is enforced through a sense of duty and guilt Blue tries to get rid of impure toughts from the mind. To blue the devil isn't a metaphorical symbol. It is something real. Blue is about surrendering worldly pleasures for reaching salvation for the afterlife. To blue everyone has a proper place within civilisation. Blue believes that the whole universe revolves around mankind, but not just mankind, it thinks that the only thing true in the universe is his race, his culture and his religion. Blue believes that God created the entire universe for the stage blue's culture and religion to be at the top! And rule over the ones who are different to it. Blue never questions authority, elders, religion, or teachers. Because it perceives that the former are the true carriers of the truth. Blue loves laws, regulations, and disciplining one's character. Blue enforces laws and order because otherwise we'd get chaos and anarchy. For blue reality is strictly objective. Has high rigidity, no open mindedness, and high dogma. Right and wrong are absolute, they are not social constructs. Cultural traditions and values are also absolutes, they are not social constructs. Blue has a very black and white worldview. For blue it is objectively defined what is good and what it is evil. There are no nuances. For blue you are with it or against it. Blue takes a very strict and literal approach to the interpretation of religious text. If the bible says that we should stone to death the homosexuals or the pagans, that's exactly what we should do. There is no questioning on whether this approach is a healthy approach, NO. THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD AND IT SHALL BE DONE. Blue fiercely defends religious doctrine against heresy and corruption. Blue thinks that his bible and his religion is the ultimate and absolute truth, so any deviation or any attack on his doctrine is the influence of the devil. To blue the heretics are those who try to make 'clever' interpretations of the bible. Blue is just a congregation of believers. Blue always invokes an anthropomorphic father figure god, at every situation that is happening. To blue God is a bearded man in the clouds that reigns supreme over the earth. God is a human. Because I am a human. Blue believes that there is a higher power, and that higher power wants it's civilisation to win against the heretics and the pagans. Blue believes that God wants his family to acquire more land, more wealth than the families of it's enemies. Blue believes that ultimate judgement will punish with eternal flames the wicked and the heretics and it will reward with infinite bliss all the good Christians. To blue heaven and hell aren't metaphors. They are literal places one goes after death. Blue believes that evil must be stamped out. Eradicated totally from the world. To blue God is in a grand battle against the devil. Blue is extremely judgemental with sinners. Blue rejects multiculturalism. To blue it's traditions, it's customs, it's culture is the best and all the other ones are inferior. They are lower on god's ultimate hierarchy. In blue's eyes foreigners, animals, trees and plants, and mother nature largely exists to serve stage blue mankind. To serve this one true civilisation. And everything which is not mankind shall be exploited and stripped of every resource. Blue fears the most being kicked out of his community. To be marginalized. To blue being kicked out of the church is the worst thing. It is life and death. Blue is all about conquering other lesser civilizations, about building an empire or kingdom. Examples of blue The middle east Romania Russia Cult of personality Nazi Germany Palestinians Zionists Saudi Arabia Christians Muslims Iran India China Patriotism Standing up for the national anthem Monasteries The religious right wing in America Conservatives Republicans Banning abortion and birth control Building border walls Anti-Immigration Witch trials Crusades White supremacy K K K The 10 commandments Noah's Arc Uniforms Catholic and Orthodox nuns George W Bush Mike Pence The Samurai Code Hindu Religion Alex Jones Fox News The second amendment Mandatory military service Virginity pledges Nationalism Queen Victoria's England Military families Police officers, Firefighters and in general blue collar workers. Religious terrorism Spanish inquisition Spanish conquistadors When a soldier jumps on a grenade. Take one for the team. Theocracy Prayer in school The colonial south( USA) Imperial Japan Patriarchy Culture warriors 20th century Marxism(Eastern bloc of the iron curtain). Grand cathedral and temples and mosques. Unequal women's rights Demonizing homosexuals Marriage Statistics of blue About 40% of the adult global population is blue. And about 30% of the cultural global influence is dominated by blue. If you live in a first world democracy you might be underestimating how much blue the world is, and even how much blue your first world country is. The style of government that comes in a state with a fully stage blue citizenry is an authoritarian regime. Very order driven, no separation between church and state, very theocratic. Always has imperialistic ambitions. To check whether a nation has outgrown blue, check if it has imperialistic ambitions or not. If it wants to expand it's current territory. What triggers blue Stage Red Stage Orange Stage Green Stage Yellow Relativism and not knowing. Uncertainty. Those trigger the hell out of blue. Atheism, Secularism, Skepticism. Because this goes at the heart of everything blue stands for which is absolute truth. This calls all their ideologies into question. Relativism strips blue of all it's certainties and absolute truths that it holds so dear. It is an existential threat to them. You cannot change a stage blue person. They are also triggered by post modernism, intellectuals and academic elites. Blue is triggered by Barack Obama. (To blue Obama represents this intellectual, overly academic, overly strategic, philosophical, relativistic, complex thinker, whom is multi-cultural, cares about considering values of different societies. NO! For blue this is treason. To blue Obama is a traitor. Obama was mostly in the green stage. And blue's sworn enemy is green. Blue hates the most stage green. Space cadets, philosophers and free thinkers. Hippies Sex Rock and heavy metal Rap music Materialism, hedonism Not fasting, not respecting the fast period, or the Ramadan Moral corruption triggers blue. Change to the traditional status quo. Changing things just for the sake of changing things. Progressivism Lawless, disorder, and anarchy. When justice is not served. When sinners get away with their sins. Lack of hierarchy. Terrorism. Multiculturalism and globalism Excessive selfishness and egotism. People who aren't willing to sacrifice for the team Disrespect for the status quo. Breaking agreements or the word given. Disloyalty to their civilization. Blue is very sensitive to traitors. A traitor is someone who betray the culture blue was indoctrinated into. Blue is triggered by the questioning of the existing orthodoxy. And by people who question classic social roles. Like the role of the woman in the household. Heresy and blasphemy Science encroaching on religion, blue is extremely sensitive when it sees the secularization of society Unhealthy manifestations of blue Ideology and radical fundamentalism Very closeminded, rigid, stubborn and unwilling to evolve. Blue will be unloving to those who are not within his inner circle of blue people. Traps the mind in rigid and intolerable rigid beliefs. Belief is confused with the truth. Blue gets stuck in one paradigm and no longer can snap out of it in order to see the world from other perspectives. Very prone to mob and herd mentality. Unable to think about metaphysics. Prone to idol worship. Worships the image of Jesus rather than the more abstract and metaphorical of his teachings. Constantly under the pressure of guilt Prone to hypocrisy. Because although it preaches about morality and holy living, blue is one of the most violent, most aggressive. (You cannot substitute a belief system with genuine spiritual purification) Low tolerance for outsiders Very judgmental and demonizing. Because blue believes in objective good and evil. Can easily justify cruelty with holy scriptures Closed to innovation Blue is sexually repressed Blue societies prohibit sexual education in schools Unable to make sense of the value that other cultures exhibit Blue has a lack of intellectual curiosity about the world. Closed to mysticism and nonduality Blue can have a lot of repressed anger Racist, Homophobic and misogynistic Can be oppressive to minorities Reads sacred text way to literally Prone to black and white thinking Prone to us vs them mentality Tends to not having compassion to the weaknesses and frailties of other people Blue is way too strict with their children, often times forcing them to adopt certain customs and traditions and codes of conduct. Blue cannot see the commonality between all the cultures and all religion Blue can be excessively bureaucratic and theocratic Prone to nationalism and communism The worst excesses of blue are genocide and ethnic cleansing Stage blue sayings God gave us this land This is the way god intended it to be They will be punished in the name of Jesus Make America great again A revival of traditional values Say what you do and do what you say Just stick to the rules Actions speak louder than words Honesty is the best policy Better safe than sorry Take one for the team Blood and soil How to transcend stage blue Read very deeply about stage blue, as you read about your current stage you gain self-awareness and therefore you start to observe the limitation of your current worldview. Also read in depth about the next stage which is stage orange. The thing that keeps you stuck in blue is the fact that you resist stage orange and green so much. Stop judging orange, green and yellow. Stop judging the hippies, the progressives and the liberals Stop judging the intellectuals, the elites and the globalists. Stop judging materialism and success, stop judging homosexuality Stop judging relativism, post-modernism, mysticism, new age spirituality (You are refusing to accept evolution due to the fear of the possible excesses which comes with evolution) Stop moralizing. So long you demonizing the inner demons of others you will continue to be stuck with your own inner demons. Stop clinging to tradition, let it go! Notice that all tradition eventually dies. Start thinking for yourself. Stop thinking along the rigid lines of the dogma you have been indoctrinated into. Start to question all authority. Notice that authority is often wrong, authority is often abusive. Therefore you need to become your own authority Start to notice the limitations of religion. There are much more effective ways of practicing spirituality than religion. Start to notice abuses of the church Notice that beliefs are extremely self-deceptive and that belief is not equivalent to truth and to reality. You could never capture reality within a system of beliefs. Notice that all beliefs are ultimately false and are just a creation of the human mind and that they are relative and are there only to serve the human ego. Start to be more rebellious Notice the limitations of judgments and moralism( Notice that when you are judging others you are actually judging yourself) Start to acknowledge that reality is more relative than you ever thought and this notion of absolute truth maybe doesn't exist at all. Start to acknowledge that good and evil do not exist( Notice that what you call evil, someone else calls good, and what you call good someone else calls evil, that depends on your ego and what your agenda is) Start to question whether God exists at all. Start to question what God is. Start to question your religion and culture Start to question your culture's so called exceptionalism( If you are blue you think your culture is the best) Start to notice that the hierarchy of your civilization is repressive and how it hurts other people, especially minorities. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the people who are being hurt by the hierarchy of your civilization's caste system Notice that is more fun being independent that being reliant on a culture or a set of beliefs or traditions. Start to read self-help books about success. Stop being an anal rule keeper. Relax your rules. Develop a thirst for personal success. Start to have a desire to climb the hierarchy. To get to the top. Strive to be the best at something. Notice that separation of church and state is a good thing. Notice that secularism is a good thing. You wouldn't want to live in a theocracy. Start to study history and start to study the abuses and excesses of stage blue nations throughout history. (Study the Nazis, study Hitler, Study Soviet Russia, Communism, Stalin, study the crusades, study the Spanish conquistadors) Start to see the enslavement of other races that have happened throughout history. Read and research for yourself. Develop a student mindset where you are eager to learn about anything. Read multiple perspectives. ( The problem with blue is that it surrounds itself only with other stage blue individuals and it lives in this bubble of stage blue perspectives, thus living inside an echo chamber and this way it cannot fathom the existence of other perspectives. Go to a diverse university so you get exposed to new perspectives and cultures. Start to study science Practice radical open mindedness. Notice that reality is much more complex and nuanced rather than black and white. Embrace your feminine side more Acknowledge that humans are not superior to animals Acknowledge that men are not superior to women Acknowledge that whites are not superior to any other minority And finally the master key for transcending any stage, especially stage blue, is to practice contemplation and self-reflection. Reflect on your own behavior and analyze where you are making mistakes.
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zurew replied to Santiago Ram's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Everyone can project whatever meaning they want on the Bible depending on what beliefs and biases they have. In this case, one can project nonduality on it and pretend that the authors of the Bible were writing about nonduality and God realization. I don't know why the exact same thing couldn't be said about any other random text and why the Bible should be treated special. If I try hard enough, I can redefine enough things so that I can say that the founding fathers were actually talking about nonduality and they were trying to teach about God realization. To me, this move seems like a desperate attempt to try to maintain a Christian identity while also trying to be "spiritual" at the same time. -
@Jayson G @Leo Gura Thanks. In the book Entheogenic Liberation: Unraveling the Enigma of Nonduality with 5-MeO-DMT Energetic Therapy (Paperback – July 29, 2017) by Dr. Martin W. Ball, Ph.D., (I actually spoke to him about what I was going through), I respect his work deeply. This is not meant to cast any disrespect toward his perspective in this space. However, he seems to reject any sense of story that we hold onto—meaning any process, ceremony, or preparation is, in his view, feeding the ego. His stance suggests that if we are preparing for a 5-MeO-DMT ceremony, we should not approach it with narratives that reinforce the ego, such as ritualistic preparation. That said, I do question the idea of cleansing the space and creating a container. Shamans in the jungle spend an enormous amount of time preparing their land, space, and moloka to ensure guests are as spiritually protected as possible. Frankly, I don't know how much of this translates to the realms that 5-MeO-DMT takes you to. But based on my findings over the past year, it seems that whenever you engage in something that allows your consciousness to— for lack of a better word—leave your body, it creates a kind of vacuum where things can enter. Honestly, this could all be fabricated, as I find my attraction to 5-MeO-DMT to be rooted in its purity. It seems to be the least encumbered by stories compared to other medicines. The shaman I sat with mentioned that he often has to clear a lot of stuff off people who return from the jungle. He also said that taking medicine or doing this kind of work in a busy city is equally dangerous. But I have to ask—and as part of my process, I’ll be doing a practitioner’s course—does anyone here practice preparation in terms of cleansing the space? Would love to hear your thoughts.
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The Metaphysics of Absolute Realism ~First Principle: Defining Reality~ Reality must be absolute. This is not merely an assumption but a necessity for the term to hold any meaning at all. If reality were not absolute—if it were instead relative, subjective, or dependent on individual perception—then it would cease to be reality in any meaningful sense. It would become a shifting, contradictory concept, incapable of providing a foundation for knowledge, reason, or action. To define reality as absolute is to affirm that there is something stable and independent of our perceptions. While individuals may interpret or experience reality differently, the existence of an underlying structure is inescapable. If reality were subjective, then conflicting realities could coexist—meaning something could be both true and false, existent and nonexistent, at the same time. Such contradictions collapse under their own weight. Words and concepts rely on consistency to function. If "reality" referred to something malleable and changing based on perspective, it would lose its coherence. To speak meaningfully about reality, we must recognize it as something distinct from perception—a framework within which perception occurs, but not something defined by it. This is not an abstract concern but a fundamental truth guiding all understanding. Science, logic, morality, and even the simple act of communication depend on an absolute reality. If reality were not absolute, then no knowledge could be established, no truth verified, and no decision made with any real consequence. Therefore, before we build any further philosophical structure, we must first affirm this foundation: Reality is absolute. Otherwise, it is not reality at all. ~Second Principle: Describing Reality~ Just as it is established that reality must be absolute in order to have meaning, we must now recognize that reality must be nondual for the same reason. Duality refers to the idea that there are two fundamental, distinct, and opposing principles that define existence. Common examples include: Mind vs. Matter Good vs. Evil Order vs. Chaos Subject vs. Object In any dualistic system, reality is composed of two separate things that interact but remain fundamentally distinct. This means that neither one is fully absolute, because each is defined in relation to the other. For example, “light” is only meaningful in contrast to “darkness.” Since we’ve established that reality is absolute, we must now ask: Can something absolute be dual? The answer is no, and here's why: Duality Implies Limitation — if reality were dual, then each part of the duality would be limited by the existence of the other. Consider the common duality of light and darkness. These two concepts are typically seen as opposites, yet they define each other by their relationship. Light only has meaning in contrast to darkness, and vice versa. If there were no darkness, there would be no need for light to be distinguished or understood. Likewise, without light, there could be no meaningful concept of darkness. In this way, light is limited because it is only defined in relation to darkness. Its existence depends on the presence of its opposite. Dualities like light/darkness, good/evil, or subject/object create a dynamic where each half is incomplete without the other. The two are intertwined and dependent on each other for meaning. Each side is limited by the fact that it must relate to the other. Neither side can be fully itself without its counterpart. Now, if we apply this logic to absolute reality, we see that something truly absolute cannot be defined by contrast. Absolute reality cannot be dependent on or limited by anything else. If reality were dual, it would need its opposite to define it, which would limit its completeness and independence. Duality implies limitation because the two parts of a duality are mutually defining, relying on each other to make sense. For something to be absolute, it must stand alone—independent, without needing another part to define its nature. This is why duality can’t fit within the concept of absolute reality. Duality Requires Relation — and the absolute is not relative. In order for there to be two fundamental things, they must be defined in relation to each other. But reality, being absolute, is not relative to anything. It simply is. Duality is the existence of two distinct, opposing, or complementary principles. To be dual means there are two entities or forces that define each other through their difference. These two parts, while distinct, rely on each other to create meaning. They cannot exist independently because they are defined by their relationship to each other. If we claim that reality is absolute, we are asserting that it is singular, unified, and independent. It cannot be split into parts that are dependent on one another for meaning or existence. But duality inherently relies on the relation between separate things, and that goes against the idea of absoluteness. If there are two distinct aspects of reality, they cannot be absolute because they rely on each other to be meaningful. Each side of the duality would be dependent on the existence of the other, implying that they are not self-contained or independent. This creates a paradox because absolute reality cannot depend on anything else for its existence. It simply is—complete and indivisible. Hence, dualities, which require relation and interdependence, cannot apply to an absolute reality. Let’s consider a simple example, like motion vs. rest. These are dualistic concepts. Motion is defined by the absence of rest. Rest is defined by the absence of motion. But in an absolute reality, if it were ever to truly exist in a state of complete "rest" (no movement at all), there would be no need for the concept of motion. Similarly, if everything were in motion, rest would have no meaning. The two depend on each other to even exist as ideas. This interdependence shows how duality is rooted in a relational framework. A Truly Dual Reality Would Mean Two Realities, Which is Contradictory — If reality consisted of two fundamental, independent things, then neither would be the whole of reality and each would only be part of it. This means there would be something greater than both that unifies them, making the two parts not fundamental after all. When we say that duality involves two realities, we're speaking about the fundamental separation of the two components that make up the whole. In dualistic systems, the two parts are distinct from each other and define each other through contrast. This separation leads to the idea that reality, as a whole, isn’t a singular entity but is instead made up of two co-existing but distinct elements. Descartes argued that reality is composed of two separate substances: the mind (non-material, thinking) and matter (material, extended). These two substances are distinct, meaning that they don’t merge into a single unified reality but exist independently. Now, this creates an issue: if reality is fundamentally divided into two separate substances (like mind and matter), then each of these substances must have its own independent existence to maintain their distinction. That’s where the concept of "two realities" comes in: Mind as one reality—a non-material, thinking realm. Matter as another reality—a physical, material realm. For Descartes, these two "realities" interact, but they are still distinct from each other. Each one exists on its own terms, with its own nature, and they only come into contact through specific interactions. Why Does This Imply Two Realities? In a dualistic system, the fact that the two substances (or principles) are distinct means that each exists on its own terms. They are not unified into one absolute reality but are separate. Therefore, what we're dealing with is two fundamental aspects of reality that could, in theory, exist separately from one another. If both mind and matter are considered to be fully real and separate from each other, we now have two coexisting realities: One that exists in the realm of thought and consciousness (mind). One that exists in the realm of physical existence (matter). These two realities are not unified into one absolute, indivisible reality—they are simply two aspects of an overarching system, but not a system that can be described as a unified whole. This is why we refer to it as “two realities” rather than just one. In Contrast: The Nondual Absolute Reality Now, if reality is absolute then it couldn't be divided into two distinct realities because: An absolute reality is all-encompassing — it must be unified, complete, and indivisible. If we divide it into two realities, we’re implying that neither reality is whole on its own; they each need the other to define their existence. But if reality is truly absolute, there must be no dependence on something else to define it. Duality creates an inherent contradiction—since each "reality" would need to be independent, the very notion of "reality" becomes fractured and inconsistent, because there would be no underlying unity to connect the two. Therefore, in order to have a true reality, one that is truly absolute, it must be described as nondual: any apparent duality must be secondary, arising within the one absolute reality rather than being fundamental to it. Reality must be nondual otherwise it ceases to be absolute and thusly ceases to be reality at all. ~Third Principle: Determining Reality~ The fundamental question in philosophy concerns the identity of reality itself. What is reality? What is its true nature and essence? The goal is to uncover this true identity — the very foundation of all that exists. This inquiry aims to determine the identity of reality and understand its true essence. A significant problem arises when considering the nature of reality: If reality is defined as absolute and described as nondual, why does the experience of separation persist in everyday life? Individuals perceive themselves as distinct entities, separate from one another and the world. This apparent separation contradicts the concept of reality as absolute and nondual, creating a paradox. How can the nondual nature of reality coexist with the perception of fragmentation and individual selves? This is the central problem to address. The source of this paradox lies in consciousness — the faculty of experience. Consciousness generates the illusion of separation by presenting experiences as distinct and individual. Through consciousness, individuals perceive themselves as separate from the world around them, the appearance of separation is emphasized, obscuring the deeper interconnectedness of all things. Therefore, consciousness is responsible for the appearance of separation, leaving almost no clue into the underlying unity. Given this paradox, it becomes evident that there is a need for a fundamental uniting principle that transcends the appearance of separation. This unifying principle must connect all things in the deepest sense and resolve the fragmentation caused by consciousnesses. The search is for a uniting principle that bridges the gap between the perception of separation and the true nature of nonduality. The Uniting Principle In the search for this uniting principle, awareness emerges as a key concept. Awareness is the capacity to know — the essential foundation that makes all experience possible. Awareness is not bound to individual consciousnesses but is a universal presence that underlies all knowing. It is the constant capacity for knowing that transcends individual boundaries and connects all experiences. Because awareness is universal, it connects all beings and all experiences. It is not localized to any particular individual or form but exists as the foundational capacity for knowing that transcends distinctions. This universality makes awareness a natural candidate for the uniting principle of reality. While awareness is nondual in nature, it remains passive. Awareness simply exists as the capacity to know. It does not actively direct itself; it is the background condition for knowing to occur. Awareness, although foundational to all experience, does not explain the dynamic nature of existence. As a passive, unmanifested presence, awareness alone cannot be the ultimate identity of reality. It is, however, a necessary condition for experience to arise. To understand what drives awareness, the concept of caring is introduced. Caring is the active force that directs awareness — the impetus for awareness to focus on something. Without caring, awareness would have no object to focus on, and thus no reason to direct itself. Caring provides the motivation for awareness, giving it direction and purpose. Without caring, awareness would remain passive and undirected, without any manifestation of experience. Caring is the necessary condition for awareness to be realized as a directed force. It is through caring that awareness becomes active, manifesting as attention and focu Caring and awareness are inherently inseparable. The existence of one requires the existence of the other. Without awareness, there is nothing to care for, and without caring, there would be no reason for awareness to exist. Together, caring and awareness form the foundation of all experience, and they are two aspects of a single, nondual essence. This inseparability reveals that the experience of separation is ultimately illusory. The fundamental reality is the unity of caring and awareness, an essence that connects all things and transcends any apparent differences. The Identity of Reality At this stage, it becomes clear that caring and awareness are not separate forces but rather two aspects of the same essence. This essence is identified as Spirit. Spirit represents the nondual essence that encompasses both caring and awareness. It is the active principle of caring and the passive capacity of awareness, united in a single, indivisible being. Spirit is the underlying beingness that animates reality, the source from which all things arise. It is the true identity of reality — the foundation of all existence. The term Spirit has long been used to describe the immaterial essence that animates and connects all life. In this context, Spirit represents the nondual essence of both caring and awareness, the unifying principle that transcends all separation. Conclusion Through philosophical inquiry, it is now evident that the true identity of reality is Spirit — the nondual essence of both caring and awareness. This identity resolves the paradox of separation, as Spirit is the fundamental unifying principle that connects all things in reality. The identity of Spirit is consistent with the first two principles: Reality must be absolute, and Spirit is absolute in its nature, encompassing all experience. Reality is nondual, and Spirit is nondual, transcending any sense of separation. Thus, the true identity of reality is Spirit, and through this understanding, the appearance of separation is reconciled with the ultimate, unified essence of all that exists.
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Aaron p replied to Santiago Ram's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Christianity is a massive trap. I mean it's a good thing for many many many people like h addicts and stuff...or people who literally can't govern themselves without dipping into chaos or destruction. It's a very good dumb handle to hold onto if the only other option is destination-fucked, but the same person could easily use Buddhism to hold onto and would be probably better off. A lot closer. I was born and raised into Christianity and studied it at incredible depths as a child and young adult. Honestly I love it, but only because I'm skilled enough to know how to interpret it. It lead to a lot of problems in my life. My family didn't have any real world help, all they were taught was "sing to jesus" and you'll go to heaven...which resulted in mass chaos and pain in my family. The real world requires a real religion. A religion that is wayyyyyyy more intelligent, powerful and accurate. A religion that is so powerful that it isint even a religion. I am so fucking glad nonduality and mysticism and enlightenment is real, I'd be fucked otherwise lol. It's a dream come true. When I discovered this...I screamed. Bonus notes: You can check out the books of the apocrypha (catholic scriptures removed by Protestantism), the lost books of eden and Mormonism. Mormonism is interesting. They have a saying: as man is, God once was, as God is, man can become. They also are led by their intuition by something they call "the burning in the belly" or some shit. Also some of the gifts of the holy ghost are legit like prophecy, word of knowledge, word of wisdom and I think speaking in tongues is legit. But it's all subject to massive interpretational inaccuracies, so yeah. Also if you need some Christian half mystic info check out mooji and Andrew wommack. But be warned, wommacks material is highly deluded. Take it with 100 pinches of salt. -
Leo Gura replied to Santiago Ram's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
No it isn't. I grew up without any religion and it was the best gift I could have received from the universe. Why do you think my mind is so free? Because it was never corrupted by an human religion. Christianity is child abuse. If evil was actually real, Christianity would be it. That's even worse. This is pure devilry. I know. And I'm saying this is self-deception and corruption. It is absolutely textbook idolatry. Jesus is no more God than a dog is. Worshipping a dog is idol worship. Worshipping Jesus is idol worship. Christians are so deluded that they don't even understand they are doing idol worship. Christianity is a corruption of Judaism. No. The key difference is that I show you guys and force you guys to contemplate and question everything. No one in the world shows you how to question reality more than me. THAT is the proof of the goodness of my teachings. I even force you to doubt nonduality. I even force you to realize I am your own imagination. I even force you to doubt enlightenment. Of course if you ever start to worship me you would have violated everything I ever taught. So that mistake is on you. -
Just want to say I love you man. Check out this lovely trip report posted today which touches on what you are moving towards: https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/comments/1ja8gr4/i_smoked_bufo_alvarius_5meodmt_died_and_came_back/
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Breakingthewall replied to SQAAD's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
That's not what I meant. I was trying to analyze and nuance the Tolle spirituality and revealing what in my opinion is a mistake, Tolle has a huge influence on current nonduality. I'd say it's key. Anyway, you don't need to take it like personal, it's a conversation to understand not to win. Sorry if I talk too aggressive about Tolle, I think that his intentions are honest and his message is very useful, I'm talking about his wrong side if you want to totally open yourself . But probably Tolle did more for human spiritual evolution than anyone else alive nowadays Understand that when you see that you have to overcome a barrier you have to break it. -
Breakingthewall replied to SQAAD's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What I mean is that It's not limited; it's essentially wrong. You said above that all spiritual traditions speak of transcending the ego. Let's see, traditions like Buddhism or Hinduism like the Bahavad Gita speak of dissolving the ego barrier to open your consciousness to the unlimited, to the non-self in Buddhism and to Brahman in Hinduism. This is not the same as what Tolle and nonduality say. They say that only the now is real, therefore the ego is not real. This makes no sense because the ego is something that is happening now. Tolle and nonduality tell you to be like an animal, without ego, only sensory perception and instinct, but you are not that. It's a frustrating philosophy that never works. Totally dissolving the social capsule of the ego during certain moments is essential to accessing the realization of your true nature, but you cannot completely transcend the ego, since you would cease to be human and this is impossible; you would be self-repressing an essential part of yourself. The part that communicates, that establishes emotional bonds, that projects, and that modifies reality, and all this implies suffering in more or less extent. Why would you want to do this? To avoid suffering? It's like saying that to avoid having sex, you amputate your genitals. Can you be more egotistical than someone trying to kill their ego? That's the question. Ultimately, I believe that Tolle's philosophy and nonduality are essentially limiting and toxic because they deny the human nature. I would say that anyone who believes in his philosophy and tries to put it into practice will end up frustrated, confused and unhappy. And over all, the most important: closed to the possibility of opening themselves to the absolute. No one of them would get it, because their philosophy closes. The real thing is when you realize that the ego, the external material world, and your true nature are interconnected, completely synchronized, are one. Trying to transcend your ego only locks you into a capsule. True spirituality, as I see it, isn't about transcending, it's about expanding. The ego isn't something you can transcend; it's impossible. You can repress it and thereby isolate yourself further, or you can expand it and realize that your ego is the reality. -
Breakingthewall replied to SQAAD's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The problem with Tolle's message is that it tells you: Right now, at this exact moment, are you in pain, or is something bad happening to you? Not true? So why are you suffering? This is a recurring message in nonduality. The answer would be: You're suffering by mistake; you shouldn't be suffering, since nothing hurts. From this message, it follows that the ego, the mental matrix, is something unreal, and what's real is the body, which can hurt. This is absolutely false; the mental matrix is exactly as real as the body and hurts just as much as the body does. A zebra doesn't have this mental matrix, therefore it doesn't hurt, but a human does. When Tolle says: Look at the crazy things humans have done for something unreal, like the nation! It's something that doesn't exist, and people kill for it. Well, we could say: Look how crazy the crocodiles are, obsessed with eating so they don't die of hunger, when the body doesn't really exist; it's a collection of atoms that will disintegrate sooner or later. Tolle doesn't understand that the mental matrix is a real energetic structure, as real as the body. A new dimension of existence that is evolving at a pace several orders of magnitude faster than the physical. That it isn't something tangible and physical doesn't make it any less real. Tolle and nonduality deny this reality, and that's why they're false philosophies. Not intentionally false, but fundamentally wrong, they propagate a comforting but ultimately false spirituality that doesn't resolve, only numbs, like a drug. -
Leo Gura replied to SQAAD's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Breakingthewall You make a reasonable case. One oversight of simpleton nonduality teachings is that they regard ego as purely an illusion with no reality and no purpose or utility. This is clearly wrong. There is good to be recovered from ego. Like the ego's ambition to have impact in the world. And the ego's handling of material survival needs. But this is not hard to make compatible with Tolle's work. -
My Philosophy ... Introduction to Absolute Realism The End of Abstraction in Philosophy A Manifesto on Nonduality and Direct Reality Philosophy has long been dominated by abstraction — conceptual frameworks that impose distinctions onto reality rather than revealing it as it is. Absolute Realism is a philosophical framework that begins where all others falter: At the direct recognition that reality is nondual and self-evident. It asserts that all division subject and object, thought and thinker, perception and perceiver, is an illusion introduced by abstraction and not by reality itself. This work lays the foundation for Absolute Realism and establishes why it must replace all conceptual and speculative philosophies. The Failure of Traditional Philosophy Since the beginning of philosophy, thinkers have attempted to grasp reality by constructing Systems of Thought — rationalism, empiricism, idealism, materialism, and so on. Yet, all these systems share a fundamental flaw: they introduce duality where none exists. Rationalism assumes that knowledge is built upon concepts, yet concepts themselves are not reality. Empiricism assumes a separation between the observer and the observed, yet this separation is merely a conceptual distinction and is not something found in direct experience. Metaphysical Realism assumes an external world, apart from perception, yet this assumption itself is never directly found — only posited. (The list goes on) Absolute Realism rejects all these approaches by insisting that philosophy must begin and end with direct reality itself, free from interpretation, abstraction or conceptual mediation. The First Principle: Nonduality The primary axiom — or, rather, the only possible foundation — of Absolute Realism is nonduality: Reality is indivisible, and all dualities are imposed by abstraction rather than being inherent to what is. This means that: There is no gap between a thing and the means of its existence (how it exists). There is no separation between perception and perceiver, thought and thinker, experience and experiencer. All attempts to divide reality into subject vs. object, identity vs. other, mind vs. matter, are not found in reality itself — these are composed by abstract thinking. Illustrations of Nonduality To see how nonduality is self-evident, consider the following: The dancer and the dance — is the dance separate from the dancer; is the dancer apart from the movement the dance? The singer and the song — is the song separate from the singer; is the singer apart from the melody of the song? The fighters and the fight — where does one end and the other begin? These distinctions appear only when abstraction tries to separate them. However, it is always clear in the moment of direct experience that they are one. The Rejection of Conceptual Philosophy If all distinctions are imposed rather than real, then any philosophy that begins with definitions, categories, or logical structures is already in error. This means: All conceptual frameworks are distortions. All speculative metaphysics is meaningless. All systems of thought that rely on dualities must be abandoned. A perfect philosophy does not construct — it recognises. Absolute Realism does not seek to build a theory but to reveal what is already undeniably real. Knowledge as Direct Recognition, Not Construction Because reality is nondual, knowledge is not something that is built step by step, nor is it something that can be grasped as an external object. Knowledge is direct awareness of reality itself. To know reality is not to determine and define it, but to recognise it. To know the truth is not to analyse it, but to see how it is self-evident. All indirect knowledge is subject to interpretation and thus is not absolute. Implications of Absolute Realism The End of Speculative Philosophy. All theories that rely on assumed divisions must be discarded. A New Approach to Truth. Truth is not something external to be sought; it is self-evident when abstraction is removed. The Dissolution of Duality in Thought. All knowledge that depends on separation is inherently false. The only real knowledge is unity. Conclusion: The Only Real Philosophy Absolute Realism is not a theory — it is the principle of direct realisation of what is as is. Any philosophy that does not begin with reality itself is, free from conceptual division, is already a lost abstraction. The task ahead is clear: Philosophy must abandon all conceptual dualities. Truth must be recognised, not constructed. Reality must be understood as indivisible, direct, and whole. Only when we discard abstraction can we finally see what has always been real. This is the principle of direct realisation.
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@Rising Spirit Love that! I really want to be as clear and concise as possible as I am well aware of the difficulty for some to comprehend nonduality. A "provocative invitation" -I love that, anything more than that seems almost impossible for a little 45 minute talk.
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In all honesty, my spiritual journey actually began as a boy. An accidental near-drowning gave me a NDE and an OBE that changed my views forever. Granted, as viewed from a child's perspective. But after imbibing LSD in 1977, I learned the power and illumination of sacred medicines. This naturally, led to my fascination for Yogic philosophy and practices. Yes, to this day I credit psychedelics with giving me a taste of Samadhi. But honoring the spiritual paths and bringing their teachings into my day-to-day existence has become secondary nature. And when speaking before an assemblage as you will be, my advice is to be as clear and concise as possible. Few lay persons can comprehend nonduality nor the living Spiritus, given their proclivity towards factual reasoning. Therefore, it's best to present your talk as not neccussarily being a "sermon" rather, a provocative invitation and as succinctly as you can. I feel that there is a definite science to enlightenment/ spiritual awakening and as such, there is a lot of ground to cover. Play it as rooted and clear headed as you can. Namaste 🙏
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salvation___________ replied to itsadistraction's topic in Off-Topic: Pop-Culture, Entertainment, Fun
@Leo Gura This is the music I'm sure you've been looking for, as I was. This is the music you were talking about in this Blog Post about Metaphysical Music. I reccommend you to listen to the album "Utopia" by the artist Björk, here's a link to the full album. It is very experimental and avant-garde, and it is themed around a utopian isalnd in the sky with mutated birds and plants and people. The sounds sound design is very extra terrestial and phsyical. The majority of the lyrics (make sure to read them while listening) are about topics like metaphysics, universal love, submission to the universe, God (even though not explicitly), consciousness, and spirituality. In terms of content and sound it's the most directly spiritual, metaphysical and transcendental music or piece of art I've ever consumed (and therefore my favorite). I never wrote a blog post before but I did for this because everytime I listen to Utopia I think of all the nondual teachings and about your channel. I know music is not your main thing, but I know your content and nonduality very well and I can assure you with 100% certainty that if you take one hour of your day to listen to it you will be shocked at this music. My favorite songs from it that showcase what I described are "The Gate", "Utopia", "Body Memory", "Claimstaker", "Saint", and "Future Forever".Thats it from me, it would be nice if you let me know what you think of it in case you do listen to it. -
thedoorsareopen replied to thedoorsareopen's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Started with nonduality, meditating on I Am. Have done a lot of heart chakra meditation. I learned Vipassana at the retreat I went to. Working my way thru the Gateway Tapes and have experimented with Carlos Casteneda’s techniques. Pranayama, energy work, a lot of chakra work, plus mantras. Starting to work with the Violet Flame and the spiritual rays now. -
thedoorsareopen posted a topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I thought disciplined meditation would train my mind to be quiet, but I’ve found there is no such thing as that. On this level, the brain truly is just an appearance in the dream world. What seems to determine the focus or lack thereof of my mind has more to do with which ancestor or entity I’ve had in my aura lately, and how many stressors are appearing in my 3D reality. But over the past year I’ve had experiences of meditating on nonduality for 4 hours, then getting up and seeming to fall right back into a thought form of agitation. Similarly I’ve gone without meditation and reached very calm clear states of mind after a run or an orgasm. It frustrates me that there seems to be no progressive way to train and discipline my mind, it’s just one more appearance in the dream world, of which my control over is only illusory. Anyone else have this experience, oh fellow appearances in the dream world? -
I remember when Leo first started going into spiritual topics, this was I think 2018 or 2019, and I was at the right place and time to go full on into that journey with him, not knowing what I would find. It was all new to me, I thought nonduality was this radical concept. I thought I'd discovered some secret of the universe. I thought that getting into spirituality would make me smarter, more in tune, closer to a supreme intelligence, possibly even able to discover new knowledge and help improve the world in some way. Instead what I've discovered is that all of the information in my reality is and has always been carefully manipulated at all times to give me certain impressions of things, based largely on my already conditioned beliefs. The world is broken on purpose, because perfection is supposedly boring. In fact, the world is just an appearance and in my human form, I may as well be a cartoon character. And God or whatever was there the entire time, watching every one of my pains. I supposedly deserved them because I didn't learn certain lessons. Because I was making decisions thinking I was a person who lived in a world. I thought I was completely alone and made no impact. I thought my decisions didn't matter and no one was paying attention. I also thought that being polite and following the rules was the best course of action, and boy is every single piece of stimulus in my reality now determined to tell me that is not the case. Has anyone else been dragged into this storyline of how the billionaires are keeping the common man down, and golly we just gotta rise up and restore the natural order of things? I liked society the way it was. I'm not looking for a crash to the system. But I guess I had finally made a life for myself in the secular world I thought I lived in, finally figured out how to stop feeling so much inexplicable emotional pain, so now God's gotta bring the hammer down. I guess every single person I ever saw in my life was also an illusion, but I have seen so many people who had no relationship with God who were healthier than me, more energetic, happier, better teeth, more friends, more laughter, more joy. I'm not sure why I have to be God's bitch boy. I followed a religion, and the people who followed it less strictly than me got rewarded more. So I stopped following it. But I never ended up fitting into secular society much, most of my life I've been a loner. I had good friends, and none of them had any kind of relationship with God, and they also were happier, healthier and enjoyed more and better relationships than I ever did. So then I got into spirituality and over the past 5 years I have seen so many people who have all, day after day, delivered to me the most banal spiritual "advice" while living lives that seem more functional than my life ever has been. No matter what my relationship to God is, it seems I'm always doing it wrong, always on the outs, can never get it together, and everyone around me is just doing so much better than I ever have, without any practice. So is that what this is? God became man so man could sit in a hologram of self-degradation? I'm surrounded by people who don't have to have a meditation practice, who didn't have to invest several years in a "spiritual journey," but have more loving families and better teeth than I ever will? I remember when I started this shit I thought I was gonna get smarter lol... instead I just learned the metaphysical parameters of a clown world. It basically just comes down to squirting love through your diaphragm, and whoever can do that the most, wins, I guess.
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tuku747 replied to strangelooper's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It isn't nonduality itself that is toxic tbh. Grasping the interconnectedness of all things is an important facet of awakening. However, nonduality is sometimes used as a dogma to claim that the self does not exist. It is used to deny the self, and is therefore self-destructive. To truly grasp the interconnectedness of all things, you must realize that it is only through YOU which all things are connected. And YOU are the only master of your own destiny. If your approach is to constantly deny the YOU, then your approach is too passive. If your approach is to deny the YOU in others, then your approach is too aggressive. A balanced approach would be acknowledging both the interconnectedness of the whole and the individual. You would recognize YOU as a vital aspect of the whole, capable of both receiving from and contributing to it. This avoids both the extremes of self-negation and disregard for other-selves, fostering both a sense of agency and responsibility within the individual. -
Leeo_SA replied to strangelooper's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@strangelooper I have the impression, that you mix nonduality with duality. Duality = Table is separate from god, Non Duality = Table is god (or a part of him, a creation of him which isn't separate from himself). It just seems like a separate Identity, but it isn't. It just seems, that you are different from myself (in duality) but ultimate we are identical because we are both god. I just want to share my view of things, I am not here to argue with you or to convince you. Just find it interesting to see other views. I am curious: How are you bringing your view together with duality / non duality? When you start with solopsism, you need to be 100% truthful: You never ever experienced something outside from yourself, outside form you perception. Do you understand that? EVERYTHING around you could be fake. EVERYTHING. The only thing you can be 100% sure is, that something (you) is perceiving. That is a very Christian view of God.