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@pursuitofspirit better than nothing 😆 But what do you mean by "trapped in state of consciousness" Trapped in a state of myself? Dufuck? 🤣 I am consciousness! That insight is about how nothingness is conscious. Its nothing to cry about, we dont feel bad in deep sleep when all content goes, not even bored, but also definitely not tired of being.

Nothing can actually be in denial of anything because "denial of" suggests subject/object relationship which isn't really happening. There are no subjects there are no objects only appears that way. There is no me to deny God. Everything is everything and everything is nothing. There is no anything to be anything. There is just what's appearing. It's all empty, VOID. There is only nothingness which appears as everything. Appearances aren't real; nothing is. So me being in denial of God is an idea that nothing is being.

Thats my question. My guess is that is death. You said one of these days that you can shoot yourself in the head and even then you will be more conscious (of something like that). So my point is: whats the phenomenology of that? Pure Nothingness? Just like when we sleep? But then, is that being conscious? I dont get how can you be conscious when there is nothing. Does it makes sense?

This is my experience as well, and from this perspective; consciousness would still be absolute? The nature of consciousness is simply such that, if it has nothing to be aware of, its not aware of its own existence. so "nothingness" is still consciousness, just without content

Beautiful song Bastard of the cross relentlessly Strike fear preaching of his coming here Scriptures, twisted words to provocate Rapture from the lord your god so great BASTARDS OF CHRIST - DIE!!!! He fucked himself to save you - put to death, masochist For this his word berate truth - agonized, prophecized Revive the book of fiction - blasphemy, gluttony, to deceive you and me In battled disposition - hang the bitch on the cross Entitle his convictions - blasphemous, lunatic your heart is full of hatred - BASTARDS DIE, FUCK YOUR CHRIST, WILL SURVIVE, KILL YOURSELF........DIE!!!!!!!!!! Bastard, for your god you compromise Do without, search the truth you'll never find Scriptures offer little to relate Laughter from the lord into your face BASTARDS OF CHRIST - DIE!!!! You think your god will save who - I will see, just believe You fool, not true, no thank you - enemy of the cross His word installs deception - pray to god, not for me, for yourself, soon you'll see You'll die for your religion - holy shit, pacifist Untrue with choices given - nothing won, you are dead Describe the holy vision - BLACKING OUT, FINAL BREATH, MEET WITH DEATH, NOTHINGNESS, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, there is Nothingness. But since there's nothing there it passes in an instant. Only dreams have a sense of time and substance. You escape into nothingness when you sleep but you don't even feel it since there's nothing to feel.

The Love-Making Process of Consciousness is a higher process than even time itself. The only thing that's not a process is ABSOLUTE TRUTH - which is identical with ABSOLUTE NOTHINGNESS - out of which all of it arises. But that - I call it Unground - remains forever unknowable and thus turns the whole cosmos into a living, breathing & dancing Mystery. But God still got some Aces up Her sleeve, don't worry.

@Leo Gura i had an experience on 4-5 tabs of LSD like 400-600 UG don't remember, i got so conscious that i could focus on my heart and then see it infront of me with eyes closed (the black screen) was gone. I decided to stop it because i knew there was no death, and i got into the nothingness/god head and felt i was there before. Anyway my question is, aren't you afraid that somebody might do it too and in your reality you might view it as them dying(when they actually didn't) . Or do i not understand something?

Well Truth to be told in my awakening there was only me.I experienced myself as Infinity of Love ,Goodness,Intelligence . I experienced Void which was timeless and I was there for Infinite amount of time just me alone.It was very solipsistic experience .Nothingness amd Infinity was one and the same,Inner and outter are the same.I was procecting the world from my eyes and everything is imagined. I experienced myself as God and was really feeling it.

From what I can gather, once you truly die you become pure potential, which is what nothingness is. But pure potential cannot help but become something eventually. This is why I think reincarnation is the most likely. But we must also consider whether there exists other layers of this living being that might continue after physical death. Either way, whatever happens after death would not be permanent, like everything else. I think you should rather be relieved to know your existence is eternal. What's terrifying is that you'd be eternal as well, which I don't see to be the case.

The Absolute is Everything. What Buddhists and nondualists get wrong is that they reduce the Absolute to formlessness only. They miss that the Absolute applies equally to all form. Nothingness is not prior to Consciousness, it IS Consciousness. Consciousness is Absolute. Consciousness takes many forms and states, and also empty unformed states. The very base/core of God/Consciousness is total formlessness, but this is not to be placed on a pedastal as the only truth. Consciousness cannot be reduced to formlessness alone. Buddhists and nondualist commit the error of reductionism. Because they do not have the highest God-Realization because they were always following dogma and group-think in their practices. The reduction of Consciousness to any atomic thing or substance like "Nothing" is a mistake. The reduction of Consciousness to any state like cessation is a mistake. Those who speak of Consciousness as just Nothing do not understand the full higher dimenisions of Consciousness because that is beyond meditation and self-inquiry. They have no way of reaching it and no dogma to teach them. And they reject anything which isn't part of their dogma. Of course. God = no self = Infinite Intelligence Yes, you can contemplate it and trip more deeply and realize the truth of that equation ever more deeply until eventually it kills you. Keep tripping and keep contemplating the precise questions you wish to know.

@SugarcoatIts just a state of itself, the void allows for knowledge of consciousness. You are in a state of the exact same thing right now and there no difference between that and the other. There is a facet where you see that that thing is happening now and you dont feel like it. Its the same thing that feels different. Theres a state where you feel like broly from DBZ tearing space and time with power. That state would have the base of that nothingness still there. The base state allows you to clearly see what God is.

@Leo Gura I still think we need a proper response from you, to the buddhist and non dual notions of "The Absolute" being Nothingness, beyond and prior to consciousness. many many teachers seem to agree on this

so after one realized the Truth or whatever and have a bigger picture understanding about reality etc etc,why cant we manipulate it atleast just a little? like if anything possible because god is infinite,infitnite nothingness and its our dream why cant we do anything transcdental so to speak? a little childish question but im still interested,or jailbreaking reality and go to a realm between time and space or something like that. my emphasise is on the cool,mysterious stuffs like this. you get the idea

Wow it’s so cool that you share this Ive had exactly the same thoughts. I’ve had partial dissolutions of the ego , “awakenings” (maybe partial) and some of them I’ve felt some bliss and love. But when I took 5 Meo dmt (in PARTICULAR when I took it, I took small dose and it was the closest I’ve been to full ego dissolution) and my normal state nowadays , is more empty and “dead”. I have thought to myself when I’ve been in the most extreme states “this is almost like death “ that’s the best way to describe it: it’s like everything looses its fullness, it’s reality, things become flat and empty. I have wondered, where is the fullness, the love, the joy? It seems to be associated with the self: when you feel you are real, and others and the world feel real, that’s where the joy is. When the self almost or completely ends, that’s where death is. That’s the end of “your life”. You approach death, a nothingness: that has nothing in it for you . But nonetheless, I try to stay open, maybe I just experienced the partial thing, maybe there’s facets to it. There’s hope still. Don’t lose hope. Don’t judge all awakening based on your own.

Is it just an eternal black nothingness? No feelings, no thoughts, no sensations, no self?

if solipsism is right,does that mean we keep reincarnating over and over again? like in a loop? first of all,the idea of existing forever by any means is terrifying for me. we all know the general beliefs of buddhism,and i'm not really a fond of reincarnation,because you need to do it over and over again. it must be pretty boring and tiring. but maybe that isn't the case,maybe i misunderstood. the optimal for me after death would be nothingness. i imagine life like a chance,you born with the background and everything you got purely by luck and you try to make something out of it. at the end of your life you'll see what have you managed to accomplish or do with your life. this is an oversimplified version about my concerns with this theory,but i tried. feel free to correct me

1. Ego fights the void of nothingness aloneness. 2. Ego makes it all about itself and can’t see the bigger picture. Those are the two boundaries depending on how you look at it.

Think of it like this, do you still hang unto that drunk state you were in whenever it was. That high from smoking weed. Plenty of people have had experiences from altered states using drugs or alcohol. One can feel soooooo good on even some pills, they feel ecstasy and joy and bliss, then back down to reality it is. Why do you think these drugs are so popular. They make one feel good. They alter your state. Some can feel love, even feel God as they say....Oh God, whatever...all states, all experiences then it's back to 'normal'. Doesn't mean you're high forever, doesn't mean you have changed and turned into an enlightened being doesn't mean Jack shit other than you've felt like you've had an experience of......whatever that is. Keep going? There is no next, there is no when, if, there, why because, after, in between.....none of that really exists. There is just timelessness energy appearing as, that's it. It can appear as a person thinking they're enlightened - all empty and void of substance. We have seemingly turned the Absolute into a shit show of limitation and stale cum. We have limited infinity and turned it into a climatic opera rehearsal where we can look forward to an exciting finish and go tell it on the mountains to our other delusional buddies waiting to feel that enlightened bliss from some altered state then telling the stale story to our other fools that think infinity is there as a theatre movement for them to witness and become something from. There is no here and now, now and then, here and there, no next, no because of and no other interjection, abbreviation adjective or whatever in this here immediacy of Absolute wholeness and nothingness fill with emptiness and bizarre oneness of splendor freedom and liberated cockroaches. Nothing can turn this into a theatre of shit show enlightenment, only this itself can be that. Energy can play around all it wants and be all it wants but it can never be what's next, it can never be what's to come, it can never be "keep goin", IT CAN ONLY BE WHAT IS AND WHAT IS IS ALL THERE IS. So even it's keep going with your awakening bullshit and i will be enlightened fantasy is still what is and can be nothing but what is so that awakening means Jack shit to what is because it is also what is "acting like" it's awakening to itself. Such drama it loves to create. Then it leaves that energy high and dry then having it's buddies cheer him on and say keep going like this is even moving. It ain't, its not standing still either. So your future enlightenment is a shit show enlightenment prank by the absolute as the absolute acting like it needs to be enlightened because it ain't got nothing else to do but fuck around and play around for infinity.

@Leo Gura suggests that even if postmodernism is largely true, there can still be a hierarchy of perspectives: some perspectives are more inclusive, more coherent, more robust, and better at understanding others. From this view, certain perspectives are “better” because they help humanity flourish or function more effectively. My question is: if we accept that all value judgments are ultimately relative, doesn’t claiming that some perspectives are “better” already assume hidden values—like wanting humanity/human consciousness to survive or flourish? If we strip away those assumptions, isn’t the notion of a hierarchy of perspectives ultimately just a game of aesthetics or preference? How can we justify saying one perspective is truly better, rather than just different? In Absolute Truth it does not matter and @Leo Gura is just playing a game inside his Absolute Dream of helping humanity align to higher order perspective - but there is ultimately nothing Good about it. It is not more perfect than Trump spreading his egotistical patterns. Even though we can agree Leo's perspective is of better quality, understanding, scope, consciousness etc. - still - we cannot say it is Better. Because it is Love/Dream/Nothingness/Void anyway. Or maybe Leo will lead humanity to flourish but because of that humanity will in the future kill some alien species that is actually more inteligent/loving than humanity - so wouldn't that make /Teaching Humanity higher order perspectives/ actually a bad thing to happen in the relative dream looking retrospectively? Can we really escape the Absolute Relativism or in the end it is true but we can just choose more beautiful aesthetics?

I would go even further and say the brain is still clinging to a self and is too materialistic. Everything is happening inside conscious experience but I agree that it’s a void of nothingness pure light signals and interpretations and random labels. What a mind fuck what even is a mind am I a mind? There’s no me there’s just a dream playing with itself hell even dream is a label and even the world label is another random blip of information to infinity and beyyyoonndddd

@theoneandnoneYou dont exist. You are a decoherence pattern of the dream. It needs it or all of the machines in Gods dream would just kill themselves. The only thing that exists is God and its decoherence pattern which is you. The decoherence pattern creates karma, which is loops in the dream that God (the machine) didnt agree with. God and you are one, the machine and the dream are one thing. You are just a thought, you are a made up idea that other machines told your machine existed. Literally reality is inside of your brain, you are witnessing reality from inside your body its not outside. Pretend behind the computer screen is your own brain matter. Theres no one in else in your head. If I cut your eyeballs out you would still be there in your body in the dark. What the eyes do is shine light (information like code) into the brain and the light is deciphered by the brain and projects an image into the brain where you witness it. So you arent in looking out into a reality reality is being beemed to you in a dark void. When you say you are talking to people there is no one in that person. Its a 2 dimensional image of light being projected into the brain with no one in it. Its just light. Since the light cant be objectified (its just an unknown light source coming from you have no idea where. You cant know if what the people are saying is truthful since they are just 2 D with no one doing logic in them in your direct experience via this logic.) And sound isnt being heard from anywhere (Its rumbles in an ear that you arent as you can go deaf and you are still there. You are somewhere else hearing the sound from the ear. The ear is sending information into the same space as the eyes are. This is the same for all senses. So reality is just an unknown light rumblings and feelings all happening around this nothingness. Thats God and you are just a voice is created so that it wouldnt kill itself and it could survive. Life is sensations in a void. The void makes up sensations they arent even real cause they arent happening to anything. But since God is infinite there is even another thing that it is in your direct experience. God means not that.

One time during a college lecture, I sat trying to focus on what the teacher was saying, and I noticed a kind of tension related to this, that I was trying really hard to hold my attention on every word, every word on the slide, every moment of the lecture. And when I noticed this tension, I chose to let it go, to let the tension dissolve. Then for a while, nothing much was different, only I felt a little lighter, more fluid. But then suddenly, it hit me. There is literally no time. Things are happening, but it's perfectly still, not moving, just being. It's a singularity morphing onto itself, but nothing moving it in time. And there is literally no me. All of me is plastered on the walls of the room. And this felt like ultimate groundlessness, like reality had disappeared beneath my feet. All that was left was a surging energy that was at the same time completely silent. I felt like my heart had sunk beneath my chest. I grasped my hands to my desk and clenched my leg muscles, trying not to die of terror. And then when the lecture ended, I exited the lecture with my friend, levitating, spending no effort in moving, and the singularity feeling was back as I was talking and making sounds, walking down the stairs, entering the bathroom stall, closing the door and telling myself to get it together. This was the result of more than 1000 hours of seated meditation practice, and more than 16000 hours of complete obsession to awaken. And it was then I decided to stop seeking, because enlightenment, at that stage, was too much for me. Being dead but alive, being in terror but in bliss, was the biggest Catch-22 situation I could have ever imagined. And I wanted out. Turns out that wasn't so easy, but that's another story. Anyways, I've been talking about "deconstruction" before and I felt that it didn't land for many people, maybe that it was too "mental" in its connotation, that it's something intellectual you do. But it's simpler than that. It's just about letting go of whatever thing or process that might be holding you back from experiencing reality as it is. It can be as subtle as a tension associated with focusing on what somebody is saying, or it can be as gross as the sensation of sitting in a room right now and that there is a house surrounding it and that there is a world outside the house and that there is a universe outside the world. Every tension, every feeling of solidity, every ground, every roof, every level, every notion of reality, must be let go of. - Jan Esmann While you can distinguish letting go from the concept of "technique", it can also be thought of as a technique, if you practice it. And practicing letting go in meditation can be quite explosive. It's not necessarily as light and non-confrontational as "ah I'll just let go and sit here and just be still". It can be a quite visceral and energetic process. It can cause all kinds of movements and releases, both physically in the body and emotionally. And using other techniques are in a sense tools for helping you getting to the place of letting go, where letting go gets you to the place you want to go. Because training your focus through focused meditation, or elevating your energy through psychedelics, matters, but they will do nothing if you do not let go. You can take psychedelics and flail around, trying your best to hold on without dissolving into nothingness, and you may be successful in doing so, if not for some intense suffering, but it will not lead you to an expanded state unless you let go. And that's what suffering is about. It's when you can't for the life of you let go. And you keep holding on despite what reality wants you to do, to just accept it. Anyways, even people who are big proponents of psychedelics and who also are big proponents of the non-dual perspective, emphasize the importance of letting go: - Martin Ball And of course, other non-dual proponents say the same thing: - Ramana Maharshi - Rupert Spira And letting go and seeing reality for what it is is synonymous with truth. Just like how Leo says truth is the highest value, letting go is the ultimate meditation, because letting go reveals what is true.

I had this thought while watching Leo's video and reading this quote from Ramana maharshi "Only that which existsts in deep, dreamless sleep is real." Is this pure Truth, which appears to simply be Nothingness, more fundamental than consciousness / experience? Or is Truth itself an experience?

Some people have no idea how to 'spot' the Absolute in every day life. I see it everyday. I notice the nothingness of existence. Shit just pops outta nowhere. The phone rings and an unexpected person is on the other end. That's nothing appearing as....everyone that calls is this appearing as but ilm saying I'll notice it more when there's a surprise call. A sudden thunderstorm pops up, out of nowhere that's the Absolute appearing as. It's all the Absolute appearing as but I'm saying when I notice or recognize as it's happening. The same kind of thing like the brain's RAS system where it only notices things that are relevant to the storyline and how tons of things are happening around us all the time but we only pay attention to what's being focused on or relevant to us and block out things that aren't. Something like that. That old post by Raazard about Solipsism from I believe last year or the year before that's taking front stage again and is hot again right now, just became hot again out of nowhere. These kinds of things I mean that we take for granted and give cause and effect meaning to. There was no real cause and effect for why that old thread suddenly got back on the radar. That's this appearing as... and without meaning and purpose for why that thread became hot again. It's actually a brand new thread but seems to be the old one. Everything is brand new. Your house isn't the same house it's timelessly appearing to the observer as a new house. When someone's habits just drastically changes, that's this appearing as.....Like I said, it's all this appearing as but i'm just pointing out a few for this post. When a plane goes by up above and disappears into nothing. A thread pops up out of nowhere. Somebody started a thread out of nothing. A thought pops up and disappears into nothing. You look into the distance till it starts getting blurry and you can't see pass a certain distance, there's nothing there. When my hand moves, that's energy, talking is vibrational. I mean, it's all around us but we wait to see flying saucers or take magic pills or sit in lotus positions before we can train ourselves to be in a certain desired state to see the Divine. It's everywhere. Psychedelic users will especially have it hard to see the Divine normally because it has seen extraordinary things through that scope and lens and, that high, there's no match for so everything seems dull and mundane without it. Its still sometimes dull and mundane to me too but I can see it in the dull and mundane, is what I'm saying. When you log into the forum and see user names, there's no one there, it's this appearing as user names.