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I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to say here so let's see how this goes. I'm seeing enlightenment in a bit of a different light as I woke this morning. I guess the big question that's always in the back of my head is "what exactly is enlightenment?" We as humans have evolved on this planet for millions of years. Our brains have the capacity to do many wonderful things like no other species on this planet. But along with that highly developed brain we also have a strong sense of self. We than ask ourselves "who am I". Where did I come from? What is my purpose? What happens to me when I die? Once these question are asked, the search for an answer begins. Religions try to answer all these age old questions by telling us there is a supreme being that creates, destroys, sees and judges all that is happing as an attempt to satisfy a question that most everyone has. So religion "fills in the blanks" so to speak. Any answer is better than no answer at all because people can than feel secure that the question is answered and they can rest their mind in that belief. So here is the question I woke with this morning. Is enlightenment a mental tool that is used, like a religion. But not to answer the big questions, but to just silence them because there are no answers and the questions are really the only cause for the search in the first place? I'm seeing humans as just another aspect of this universe. The same as any other living organism. But one that has evolved just enough to ask the deadly questions that there are no answers too. Than there is the next part of that process when we want to believe we have the answer that satisfies the question of 'What am I". Our brains come up with answers like -Infinity, the absolute, truth, nothingness, God, bliss ect, ect. We than feel the need to experience whatever "that" is. Like we want absolute proof of it. Aren't we creating another dream within a dream within that sense of self that comes with having a higher brain function? Isn't all this just the mind doing all this within itself? Every single bit of it? Is realizing this simple fact enlightenment? Is enlightenment just fix for a glitch in the operating system? A week or so ago, somebody replied to a post saying "Now that Leo has reached Infinity"___ _ _ _ _ . Something about that innocent little statement really made me re-evaluate everything that is happing. Who reached What? What drives this search in the first place? Is it all just an anomaly of higher brain function? What is really happing? *I would greatly appreciate anyone's input on all this. What do think?

Oh yeah, my mistake I guess for labeling the topic ethics. The point of this thread was actually to discuss if it is possible for a person with very high 'consciousness' (say a person like Leo, who claim to have that) to each day go down the store and support the livestock industry by exchanging $$$ for some nice yummy delicious-tasting bacon, beef, chicken, you name it. (My mouth is watering, brb, going to fridge!) Back: And thus contributing to more baby-pigs and calves getting born out of nothingness into existence with only one purpose: the taste of their bodies' meat tastes good, the enjoyment of eating bacon, a nice burger, mhmhm. Basically getting born into slavery. Is it possible for a high-consciousness-being to support the livestock industry? Well. Are animals conscious beings? Yes. Is it in alignment with a pig's/cow's nature to stand compressed together in a stable their whole life?

Hi guys I wanted to write about an experience I had while listening to Leo's video 'Neti Neti method', since I'm not quite sure to understand what happened, and readers of what I'm about to describe might I've been meditating for a little more than a year now, testing with the do nothing technique, mindfulness and finally STS. For the past few weeks I've been watching some videos about enlightenment and it made me somehow more focused on the matter. Even though I had been practicing the Neti Neti method a some months ago (When Leo released the video), I stopped because I was living a life transition, entering college and thought that I wouldn't have time to keep doing meditation + enlightenment inquiry. I kept up with my daily meditation routine though, while increasing the time of the sessions. Then, a few days ago I had an insight about identity: while I was sitting and thinking of my own life story, I thought it literally was just a succession of images that were being 'scrolled' in my head. Then one idea just hit me: Is there any difference, if I tend to identify with anything in the first place, to identify with that succession of images or a simple feeling in my back for example? I came to the conclusion that no, there isn't. And I felt that realization kind of opened my mind somehow. This evening, I felt like going back to the Neti Neti video of Leo, and as the first words were spoken about 'you not being an experience at all' I got shivers all over my body. So I immediately focused on the video and started following the guided meditation. At the end of the video when the 'kicker' got in, I felt like having a micro glimpse of 'nothingness', I then had a feeling of spreading through space a little and all of my body tensed up like crazy: I was crying and breathing at a very fast pace at the same time. The tension in my hands is the thing that shocked me the most: They were all curled up, and I could hardly move my fingers. Then the tension melt down a few minutes later, and I feel quite relaxed right now, as I'm writing. That's it for the story, I hope I didn't wrought too much and that someone out there might have had a similar experience or knows about what I'm talking about Leo if you read this thank you for your video man It actually produced something in me, now is the time to know what exactly... haha cheers Damien

And here, I see just another time God taking the form of a suffering human being that persists in the illusion that the world isn't perfect as it is. That pain and suffering are really bad and need to be diminished. That the killing of innocent animals is any different from a wonderful flower growing in peace. It isn't. It's a fucking game and as long as you take any of it seriously, you'll fight for one side or the other. When you stop engaging in it seriously and just look curiously how it can be that there is such an amount of beauty on the one hand and such an amount of suffering on the other, you'll find out that God aka it / Tao / nothingness / ... needs and wants to express any limitation there could be because it is so infinite, peaceful and complete in its non-dualistic essence. Every dualistic game there is is just the counterpart of the non-dual bliss out of everything arises. See that, and you'll laugh yourself silly. Cheers (...and don't take my rant here to personally, I'm merely having fun with my very limited opinions - you are of course right that we humans are all to bad killing these innocent animals and eating their fucking delicious meat on 3 occasions in the day not giving a shit at all ... fuck I did it again )

But dont you think that if someone experiences enlightenment he basically taps into another dimension? In our 3d physical world this nothingness that everything is can not exist because physicality has boundries. That is the reason why in our physical world we can not even explain what it actually is it is only explainable in the same dimensional "area" which would only be possible to experience by people who can adapt their consciousness to that dimension and making it impossible to hand towards others in 3D. It makes us actually exist in 3D reality but not in this higher dimension. I hope what im trying to say is possible to grasp out of anothers perspective.

I totally agree here. The nothingness is the everythingness. It's not just about "there is no you," and "you don't exist," and end of story. Everythingness = infinite possibilities. Yes, I have to say this now. There are other types of enlightenment experiences than seeing infinity. For example, there has been reports of family members seeing their dead loved ones at the same moment. Check out parapsychology. That's the branch of psychology that studies all these things. Don't be surprised if you ever experience this in real life in a direct experience, and didn't believe it at first. Then, someone else also saw the "spirit" at the same time. Of course, there are other experiences. There are experiences that confirm your other experiences are "real" and you thought they were not. There are all kinds of experiences. Discover them, but don't get obsessed. These are great. All in all, just live life to the fullest. Develop a profound life purpose toward peace. These type of experiences give life meaning: life is profound! It's more than just work, work, work, and retire. ☺

@Nora You're not going to resolve the mind/body problem through language, reasoning, or logic from inside the materialist reductionist scientific paradigm. You can only resolve it by having a direct consciousness of the fact that all of reality is infinite consciousness. There is no body, there is no mind, and there is no world. All of those are thoughts. You have to work to become mindful of how this is so. It's not a matter of argument. It's a matter of awareness of what's actually happening when you say, "This is my body. This is my mind." When you say or think these things, you're not aware yet that these are just noises arise from nothingness.

Let me say it another time. You cannot reach enlightenment through anything. And I know exactly what thought you have right now: "Yeah... but you kinda can because meditation and self-inquiry makes you more aware and then someday this awareness will be enough to recognize that you are everything and nothing." So let me say it again. You cannot reach enlightenment through anything. Just that it gets in. Someone like Leo who seemingly does a lot of meditation and self-inquiry and focuses his whole life on this quest might not be faster then you doing 20 minutes of a breath meditation once a day. Why? Because the "speed of you recognizing your own nature" is bounded by when you will give the show called you. When will you be really earnest to yourself that you just don't know how you miraculously keep on living from moment to moment, how thoughts just come up, actions just come up, the flowers just grow and even your game of "I'm a free agent who is responsible" is kept up. This is a shoving away of shit you tell yourself and believe to the point where it becomes apparent. And this shoving away is being done by giving it up, not by keeping it up. By giving up the journey, by knowing that there is nothing you can do, by knowing that everything that you do is just another very nuanced game that you can get it with effort. So maybe the best meditation to reach enlightenment is to sit for 10 minutes, crying your eyes out and praying to God, nature, it nothingness that it makes you give it up. I sincerely think this might be better then anything else because this would at least foster the attitude you need to understand. Every other meditation technique is more about how can "I" be better, calmer, more focused, more relaxed. Well, that's mostly a joke. So, why am I being such an asshole here with you? Because it needs that. It's important that you get this down sometime so that you don't try years over years getting something that isn't there. Luckily, I got that early on (after about 1 year of my journey) when I studied Taoism and Zen. Maybe you wanna look that up. So, to end this rage: How do I meditate now for most of my journey? I sit down, sit for 60 minutes and get up. Whatever happens in these 60 minutes is completely accepted. And when it can't be accepted, that's accepted too. I mostly don't move because I practiced strong determination sitting for a long time (so apparently still do, but really don't care anymore). With this technique most other techniques will come up over time, like focusing on your breath, repeating a mantra, counting the breath etc. Just because you don't limit yourself. Right now I'm also using HoloSync with it, that boosts my integration process and especially my spiritual quest like nuts. It's ridiculously potent. But yeah, that's about it. You could name it: Giving up. Because I am giving up with every second to that that makes me. And by that, I become that. Cheers to you

Oh so thats the point. To just be in the present. Need to stop those pesky timetravels. No i dont get that. To truly be accepting of reality. How can one achive that by constantly trying to modify it. If i eat and think about something else. Isnt it more accepting of reality to just let it be that way? Becouse that is my experience. Thats whats going on. To me. It seems like putting in effort is the opposite of what im trying to achive. And just give up is right. And the only way to realy be all accepting. I feel like the point of meditation in reality is to get so frustrated and done with it that give up and fall down into nothingness and true acceptance. But its just another theory to try and get over. But thats what seems to happen. You get a grasp of what you think you should do. And with time you realize that it dosnt hold up. So you modify the concept of how to meditate. But that still dosnt hold up. Until its so frustrating you give up all concepts and just are.

Well, fuck it. This Internet limitation is just another rule 'I' set upon myself. I could continue without much emotional resistance, but who tells me that I should? Tiny extraordinary (enlightenment?) experience: Yeah, I finally had an extraordinary experience which my ego desired for a long time. The external circumstances: Yesterday in the morning I woke up at 4 am because I had to go to the bathroom. But I felt relatively awake and though that I could stay up and meditate for a long time as long as everybody else is sleeping in the house. So I meditated for like 3 hours straight (new record). I changed my posture quite a few times and did only the do nothing technique because my monkey mind was going crazy. It thought a lot about the future, university, life purpose... My subconscious mind came up with a few cool ideas. After the three hours I stopped, it felt like going on wouldn't really make a difference. So I started continuing the exercise from the video 'The Mechanics of Belief.' Time passed, I was working out, had lunch... My family was out of the house, so I had a few hours of quiet time to meditate. I firstly did 30 minutes of normal meditation, then switched to an hour of strong determination sitting. I started to do self inquiry and writing the questions and answers down. I was pretty concentrated, skeptical, taking noting from faith and got satisfying answers. I came to the conclusion that I am not all those concepts which society tells us that we are. I am this constant. I am everything except from experience. But I couldn't find this thing in direct experience. So I changed position. Now I was sitting in front of the window in the living room, looking on the grass, and kind of analyzing in which pattern the yellow flowers on the grass occur. Then somehow I was focusing my view on this one flower. Suddenly the environment around the flower got blurry. I was aware of this thing which I am, this thing behind of experience. Full of unconditional love for everything. The Ego became a little big weaker, but it was still there, I just became aware of it. At the same time the monkey mind was thinking something like "Oh my god, I am having an Enlightenment experience. Oh my god, it is finally happening to me." I continued sitting there for maybe half an hour. Full of love, full of energy, fully awake and everytime I was concentrated, I could get a sense of my true being. Then my parents came back and I had to open them the door. I wasn't annoyed about the fact that they came back and would make a lot of noise, just the ego. I kind of stayed in this loving state for most of the rest of the day, full of this energy although I only slept for 6-7 hours in the night. It felt like I was so full of energy that I couldn't even sleep. But somehow I managed to go to sleep. Too much love: So now its the day after this experience. I wouldn't call it an Enlightenment experience anymore, just extraordinary. There are way way way more powerful experiences possible. When I am mindful enough and concentrate, I still am able to become a little bit aware of my true being and to experience this huge amount of love. It feels like that I now finally grasped what true Enlightenment could possibly be like and what non-duality is really about. The true being/nothingness/god/infinity cannot be possibly explained through words. You can just say that it not is. I was just walking with my family at the beach and was often aware of my true being and relatively full of this love. And it kind of becomes too much. Too much love to handle for me. I firstly have to learn how to handle these amounts of love and adapt to it. Now I can imagine why its hard for Leo to handle the love when you take 5-Meo-DMT. Today I absolutely have no need for meditation. Today I already have examined a few of my ego identifications and so on. But I kind of am tired of doing all these huge amounts of inner work. I had so much progress in these 10 or so days and especially in the last 2 days. It is too much for me. I need a break, at least for today. I decided to use Internet again. I need a distraction from this inner work and love. I need to adapt to this first.

You know what...let me just add...if you're looking for the infinity (emptiness / nothingness / everythingness), we are not going to find it in the same ways. It's just like finding our life purpose - some are doctors, some farmers, some artists, some teachers. We mix our multiple talents together to make something unique out of it. Therefore, we also use different techniques and situations to find our own enlightenment - our own ways to meditate, contemplate, and do self-inquiry. I'm just surprised that karma is not emphasized here. Our life purpose counts toward enlightenment because karma counts. What goes around comes around (in subtle ways). There are no paradoxes in enlightenment - the everythingness is the nothingness. Everything includes literally everything including karma. Everythingness = we can't just search for the infinity "dogmatically." We are meant to live this life meaningfully, even though it's nothingness. We are meant to live in peace because enlightenment means peace...why? We usually like to move up in consciousness - our natural tendency. When we pass by a homeless person, we want to help out - at least most ppl do. Therefore, we see programs to get ppl off the streets. (I'm not saying that it's perfect.)

All good! In the big picture sense you're right, what you do or say does not effect awareness in any way. It's like the characters on a screen in a movie, the characters constantly move around, act, etc. but the screen itself doesn't change because of it. We are that screen; awareness is unaffected by experiences. I guess my original intent was two fold: Pointing out that dispassion about self-inquiry and your understanding will be more liberating from the Jiva (the body-mind). We find liberation through the removal of ignorance, just because you are further along with that doesn't make you better or worse. I've done the same thing in the past, thinking that I was better than other people just because I knew more than them when it comes to self-inquiry. That doesn't bring freedom. We fool ourselves into thinking it does because we feel virtuous. But an object, such as virtue, does not affect you, the subject, awareness. There is no lasting happiness to be found there. It is in knowing who you are and what it means to be awareness that peace is found. Anyway, I'm starting to go off on a tangent so I'll stop there. One other side note though: I find the term "nothingness" to be a source of confusion. You are awareness. Awareness is not an object, so I guess we can call it nothingness since it is not tangible, but that's a pretty roundabout way of doing so.

Bro I watched this video this morning. It's far from what's happening here Didn't you read what OrdinaryAwareness say? The realization that you are awareness is nothing special. Although I would not say it this way, I would say yeah, it's pretty easy to be aware that you are aware. And since you can't find yourself, you're nothing (no ego) - so what do you want me to lie that nothingness is not aware of itself? Im just saying the truth, where is the spiritual ego Just following my experience here, but you are judging me based on your biased mind.

So my ex wrote to me asking "what's up".. and I was like - "Relatively or ultimately?" She said - "So you don't want to tell me..." - clearly not understanding something big is about to drop. Then I said - "Relatively, I am on my way home with the train. Looking forward to tea and meditation." "Ultimately, I am nothingness being aware of itself, so nothing is up!" BOOM POW WHATS UP SON? To which she replies: "Aham" Gosh, now I know why she's my ex.

Good question... When you're talking about "there is no you," there are no paradoxes. It's just like saying there's no up or down in space. When you're talking about regular, everyday life, there are still no paradoxes. You could say, "Yes, I am in control because I'm following the the correct thoughts in my mind, so I could be efficient and productive throughout my day." Or, you could say, "No, I'm not in control because the thoughts in my mind are coming from nothingness. The nothingness is the one commanding me and I "choose" to follow the correct thoughts." Both answers are correct. To add to the first answer of yes I am in control: the nothingness & you are one. However, I think the real question is, how do we know we are one and the infinity is for real? We say to have a "direct experience" of it. Well, how do we know our direct experience of it is for real? Those with direct experiences of it has some explaining to do. We just can't have a little short passage about it. Practical life is what most of us could relate to. Just walk by a homeless person on the street. How do you feel? Most people would not want the person to be homeless. So, of course, as a result, you see programs to help people get out of it. That's one little hint of the infinity - that we are one - we want peace. We don't want suffering.

@Mat Pav about a year ago i was reading a direct pointing book and had a sudden realization that the self was a concept, there is no controller of thoughts and the body, and there is no experiencer just experience. it didnt seem like i done anything to make it happen it just seemed to happen before i knew what was going on. overtime as i see no me again and again the experience of no controller and no experiencer is becoming more apparent. I have not had this self realization experience you talk about of getting a sense of what i am, the nothingness.

Well ,again there are no games on this PC and I am getting more proactive , but I still look for distractions. Why now? Well , as I applied to a job agency ,they have showered me with paper work and shitty jobs and that one , the one that I wanted in the night shift, I cannot reach them by phone. They want people to apply exclusively by phone. My depression is back as I have a hard time to concentrate on my projects. And the reason why is simple but hard to admit. I am scared. This job thing is like a gun pointed to my head , that is how it feels , and I would rather have a gun point to my head for real then this. With a gun , if the trigger gets triggered , that is it , it is over , no more pain , just nothingness. I am okay with that. Getting a job is like dying to me , every aspect of dying, except for physical dying, is there. Just re-reding the beginning of this journal , it was just me , complaining about my job and stating how much I hate it and then I quitted and I was happy. And now , we are back here , I am trying to build up some kind of passive income , but it takes time and time is draining my money reserves and here we are. Fuck! And I can´t use distractions , I used games to distract myself from this shitty system and shit it throws at us , but now I can´t use it since I tasted the real life and I loved it! Games are boring and repetitive and so are the TV series and most of the movies as well. And life... life is awesome!! I don´t want to give that up , don´t want to give up on my dreams , don´t want to give my most valuable resource -time- for some paper shit and some digits on some computer screen.I don´t need a bucket load of money , I just want a roof over my head , food and a lake near by , freedom ,way to express myself and contribute to the humanity in a more meaningful way. Job scares the living shit out of me. The pain of wasting your time on shit you don´t care about for an asshole who things you should worship him/her like a diety for giving you an opportunity to exchange your lifes time for bearly enough money and don´t get me started on the excruciating pain on not living your dreams and your potential and next level of depression that comes with every fucking birthday that reminds you , that you just lost a year and you haven´t move an inch forward. And that is all still nothing comparing to just giving up , giving to the system. When you are basically dead , just waiting for it to become official. Fuck this shit , sometimes I really wish for an asteroid to hit us , I think we deserve that , and restart everything. Just look at the US presidential race. One person has actually said that it better to vote for Hillary as she is a cookie with 10 raisins inside , you just need to eat 10 of them , while Trump is nothing but raisins.Shouldn't we have an option to go for a chocolate chip cookie? Well , I guess Sanders was to progressive for an average brainwashed American and now the rest of the world will suffer alongside them. And the fact that will be actually voting against the other candidate by giving the vote to the other is why we can´t have nice things. Yup , I didn´t even got a job and I am already in my "happy mood"... ah well...

Enlightenment is the disillusionment of the self as a separate entity. It is not a belief but rather a sort of revaluation common sense; one moment it is obvious to you that you’re an entity imposing it’s will upon the mind-body and the next moment it is obvious to you that no such entity exists. Disillusioning the ego involves a few things: 1) Realising that the self concept (thoughts/images/narratives) is not who you are and disidentifying with it. Detaching is from the self concept is enough if your aim is to reach peace, although you may do away with the self concept altogether since it serves no purpose and can only get in the way. 2) Realising that there was never any entity in control, that there is no real distinction between voluntary and involuntary. The actions and thoughts of the mind-body have been ‘happening’ all long just as the wind happens to blow. After coming to this realisation there becomes nothing left to do but sit back and enjoy the show. The approach changes from one of resistance, neurosis, and constant grasping for control to one of complete acceptance. Bliss/peace/happiness is an not emotional state (although elevated emotional state may be a side effect). It is rather the underlying peace present when in complete acceptance of all that is, including your emotions (being mindful, rather than attaching). Neurosis is the superimposed resistance. It is possible to be at peace while experiencing a depressive emotion; likewise you may also be neurotic while in an ecstatic state. The emotion only becomes ‘negative’ once you have labelled it as such. Acceptance does not mean that you sit idly, taking no action (although that is a valid option). Preferences, values, authentic desires, empathy, love and enjoyment still exist. Only now you are no longer attached to needing any specific outcomes; you are able to play whichever game you wish and engage with it to the fullest, without being hampered or set in a perpetual state of anxiety by the ego. Rigid moral principles will only get in the way of genuine love and compassion and ego will only get in the way of your authentic desires; since the ego is namely concerned with survival, comfort, security and social status, while moral principles are too stringent to allow for the nuance of real situations and give the ego a basis for moral righteousness and the demonization of others. Once you get out of your own way you find that you function effortlessly, the egotistical neurotic whose always trying to call the shots is no longer present, and your actions become much more aligned with your fundamental values. 3) Self realisation; which involves getting a sense of what it is that you are through firsthand experience. It may be interpreted as ‘nothingness’. Nothingness does not mean that ‘something’ does not exist; rather nothingness is more like vacuum of empty space in that it contains the whole universe. In this sense, perception arises out of the void. Nothingness cannot be experienced directly, but you can get a sense that it’s there; similar to the eye’s blind spot, you cannot see it directly but if you hold your finger in the right position you can tell that it’s there. Enlightenment and self realisation are near instantaneous, permanent realisations. They do not require ten years of meditation, nor do they need to be constantly maintained. Once they have been seen, they cannot be unseen. Meditation, yoga, presence, ect. are practices which may be helpful in reaching a state of Being-perception. Being-perception is a temporary state which does require years of practice to attain and can be present to varying degrees, unlike the on/off switch of enlightenment. Although, it is possible to attain B-perception instantaneously under certain circumstances, for instance psychedelic drugs may force you into this state of perception. In ordinary consciousness, the mind is constantly dissecting, labelling, categorising the world; while a great deal of our sensory information is filtered out from awareness altogether. This rubrisisation of our perceptual input causes the world be become familiarised. Being-perception is the disintegration of these abstractions; you experience the raw, unadulterated perception before it is touched by the conceptualising mind (prefrontal processes). The world is viewed in all its 'suchness'. It becomes defamiliarised and the ‘valve of perception’ becomes more open to you. B-perception is magical; it is as if experiencing for the first time. The sky may be perceived as an unimaginably brilliant blue, you may see an infinite complexity in the patterns formed by a wave or in the sound of the rustlings leaves, all the while leaving your experience completely undissected. To experience raw, unfiltered perception is quite possibly the most beautiful things you could experience. B-perception necessarily puts you in an egoless state, although it is not enlightenment. Every human being has experienced moments of egolessness only to return back to the egoic state still attached to their ego. Having an egoless experience does not necessarily trigger the realisations I spoke of earlier. Other transcendent experiences include: - The realisation of the inherent perfection of the world - Unconditional love - Unconditional gratitude I know of no techniques or meditations to attain the three experiences/realisations listed above (perhaps high levels of B-perception will get you there?). They happen to you seemly at random; suddenly overwhelming you as you are taken in by surprise. It is as if the brains 'gratitude/love valve' have opened to the fullest, producing the maximum amount of gratitude or love that the brain can physically produce. You will feel total gratitude for the mere fact of existence itself. People who you previously disliked during egoic state of consciousness will now be approached with nothing but love. You may look towards a rock on the ground and feel overwhelming love for the rock, while seeing its inherent perfection. The experience of just one of these is enough to change your outlook on life, to validate you life and see that it was fundamentally worth living. While I don’t believe enlightenment alone will trigger these experiences, it does seem that they are fundamentally incompatible with the ego; as such enlightenment may be a good place to start. ------- What are your thoughts on these descriptions? Do they match up to your own experiences?

@jjer94 No, I'm not. You don't know what happened to me. It's my experience, not yours. I'm planning to write a book on it. Let's not judge. There's a saying, "Don't judge my path if you haven't walked my journey." I know all this is fiction, our maya/illusional world, but it doesn't mean authors can't write about it-from practical to profound. We still have to live in the practical. Even Zen has the awesome story of footprints to Riding the Ox Backwards to the practical world - what do you think that really means? The "nothingness / everythingness, no-self, there is no you world" is being overblown here. (It also sounds like parrot. ☺) I do not believe in following anything blindly. I want to get down to the bottom of it.

@jjer94 What I'm trying to say here is..I did not think that my no-self ( nothingness ) experience along with my mystical experience as a child (indigo) meant anything. I was too young to label them as "enlightenment experiences." It's a journey finding all that out. I know what I went through wasn't called Santa Clause.

Nice try, but i said go not walk. Also it doesnt only have to mean nothingness. If one is supposedly enlightened and knows that he is everything, there are definitely particles or whatevers that go through walls.

As he puts it he is nothingness experiencing the sensory based world through the human medium. What he obviously means is that the human medium can not walk through walls not nothingness. Nothingness does not even walk.

We think all day long. Everyday! This process of trying to look for some "awakening" to happen can be frustrating. Its like trying to find some omnipresent nothingness that you have never met before, When your meditative or your doing a bit of self enquiry. Try being meta cognizant of your thoughts from now on. In other words your thoughts are not you. your mind with its sponge like nature is basically subconscious data stored. To help you navigate through life and survive, its got its uses. But everything its borrowed from the environment. So Your culture, what time period Your born into, the family you was raised in. And everything elses you think. Your only thinking about enlightenment because you was exposed to it. Contemplate this. So you are the way your life has made you and conditioned you to act and interact, if your identified with the mind. If you realise this who is watching the conditioned mind? Be with that.

Its simple really. Is he the body? No. Is he the nothingness? Yes. Is nothingness going through a wall right now? (insert anything in place of wall). And there you have it Thats why Sadhguru has said he can go through walls. Like how is it that one can say they are enlightened and then keep identifying as the form they are. I am just saying these things from watching him respond to leos video. He seemed like he has all the knowledge. And yet he still hasnt accepted in reality that he is not the body and that he is limitless.

Ok, so while i was dreaming last night, i experienced absolute nothingness just as you are saying. Everything vanished. It was like my dream self fell into the void. I felt like i was rearranging my dream brain in a certain way to fall into it. Damn i want this to happen in waking too, but my dreams are much more advanced :-D. even tho within my dream i felt the sort of fear as to do i really want to return to that nothingness, or do i want to continue living. Because it seemed like i could basically choose to go there, and it happened twice.. And it felt like... I didnt exist anymore. Btw that dream was for sure induced by this thread so ty. Ps: i guess an experience is an experience, doesnt matter much whether its dream or waking, as Rupert says