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It’s like you are saying that everything arises from death and falls to death. Everything comes from death and returns to death. And death is God. The body being the thing that is the rotting corpse of God. Paraphrasing the German philosopher “Philip Mainlander” who too committed suicide along with his God. R.I.P. Peace.

I will share an experience with you why this is the exact attitude life forms of higher intelligence wont come down to save humans, its not their duty. Its your duty to evolve and expand your consciousness to the level required where you are closer to their frequency, maybe then they will consider it. Aliens exist and have been visiting earth for many for thousands of years, but more in private, only those who are of the correct frequency, who are not in deficiency and victim-hood. Why would you interact with ants that still war over race and religion and other petty nonsense humans argue and complain over today. We destroy our planet just to please our taste buds and feed our greed. The story goes a little like this: After going through the most challenging time of her life, full of darkness, rage, suicide, betrayal, heartbreak, she finally rose and stated that she will no longer give her power away to anyone or anything and believe anything or anyone is of a higher power, and rather she will only choose herself and truth and no longer fall for the bait, and even if aliens show up now I don't need them nor want their help, i can do it on my own. In that moment a bunch of orbs showed up in the sky that radiated a beautiful warm energy, but she stood firm and said: NO! not now, now i stand for myself. In that moment I got the message that because of this response, now they are even more curious about her than ever before, that most people will either run in fear or blindly bow to the higher lights, and yet she said: No thank you, and they vanished shortly after. Now they are impressed with that level of consciousness and stance, that is what draws them, when humans can stand in their own sovereignty and not need anyone or anything else but themselves to stand in love and truth. That is a trait of a high consciousness that they find admirable and worthwhile. Most people never attract such things because they are simply not ready for it, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and energetically, their entire system would overload under such radiance, and they don't like to dim down their vibration, they rather see your greater potential shine through. Eventually all humanity will rise to the collective level for open contact, but first everyone has to face all their darkness.

But isn't there some kind of progression ? Don't you need to evolve over many lifetimes before fully merging with infinity again ? And isn't it true that people who do the suicide thing need to come back for another round ? (To be honest i felt some great relief when i read your words, fear of death seemed to dissolve, but i also feel hesitant, residues of religeous conditioning still running deep.)

Time to get some Red examples going up in here. Try to find some healthy ones too. Red is all too easy to demonize. List of Stage Red Values: Personal power, strength, might, brute force Displays of toughness Brazen courage, valor, heroism, daring Being the boss, being #1, winning at all costs Conquering one’s enemies, domination The thrill of conquest Warrior mentality, a glorious death, heroic deeds Competitive, crush your opponents Resolving disputes with ruthless force Winning, victory, conquest, triumph against odds Ambition, playing it big Revenge Respect Loyalty Decisiveness, assertiveness Passion, action Pragmatic, direct, no-nonsense Taking initiative & ownership, personal willpower Getting things done, just do it Unilateral control, executive power Glitz, ostentatious displays, grandiosity Wants to be bigger than life Status, recognition of prowess Machismo, pride, bragging Charisma, plain talk Intimidation, manipulation, exploitation Sexual conquest & exploitation Sex as power and vanity, sadistic sex Enjoying life to the fullest Adventure, thrill-seeking, living boldly Power contests, like slapping/arm-wrestling Breaking rules, finding loop holes Breaking with the pack & pushing the envelope Stage Red Examples: Trump, Saddam Hussein, Iraq, Syria, Hitler, Stalin, Liberia, Somalia, North Korea, Myanmar, Turkmenistan, Haiti, Africa, Middle East, Palestine, warlords, mafia, Tony Soprano, Al Capone, pirates, marauders, gangs, Yakuza, violent prisoners, prison culture, freedom fighters, revolutionaries, criminals, rapists, con artists, thieves, terrorists, juvenile delinquents, ancient Rome, gladiator combat, Caligula, Nero, Roman emperors, spartan, Chinese emperors, Japanese emperors, Alexander the Great, Achilies, Klingons, hackers, toxic narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, lone shooters, Conan the Barbarians, Joe Pesci from Casino, Russian mob, toxic masculinity / Red Pill, vikings, Genghis Khan, Mongol hordes, drug addicts, gamblers, criminal underground, war criminals, massacres, torture, rape gangs, wild rock stars, Jules from Pulp Fiction, Joffery from GoT, Ramsey from GoT, Cersie from GoT, Dothraki from GoT, the Joker, cult leaders like Jim Jones & Charles Manson, David Koresh, Aztec human sacrifice, pimps, hustlers, prostitutes, sex trafficking, brothels, strippers, porn stars, violent porn, snuff films, king’s harems, absolute monarchs, feudalism, heads on pikes, Vlad the Impaler, crucifixion, cutting off body parts, cruel & unusual punishment, villains in movies, bullies, colonial exploitation, sweat shops, slavery, wild west, Terminator, Rambo, throwing objects when angry, cocaine, heroine, crack, meth users, suicide bombers, lesser Jihad, ISIS, domestic violence, MMA / UFC, boxing, Mike Tyson, Don King, Connor McGregor, bank robbers, the tyrannical boss, bribery, bling, gold teeth & chains, the hood, drive-by shootings, bloodsport, cock fighting, dog fighting, animal cruelty, sports fights, pro wrestling, movie Lord of War, Alex Jones, L Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige, 9/11, Oklahoma City bombing, some incels, some pickup, Jeffy rape van, Kanye dragon energy, rap music, heavy metal music, punk music, Mexican drug cartels, El Chapo, Grand Theft Auto game, graffiti, No Country For Old Men, Old Testament, Sith from Star Wars, Fight Club, A Clockwork Orange, Dan Pena, hunting homeless people for sport, Black Panthers, KKK, Machiavelli, women as property

You're neuroleptic-pilled on genetics: if your identical twin has schizophrenia, you have a 40-50% chance of getting it. That's still a lot, but it's still not a perfectly genetic disorder (unlike say Huntington's disease). Severe (hospitalizable) depression has essentially identical numbers to schizophrenia (40-50% monozygotic twin concordance and 5-10% life expectancy reduction adjusted for suicide, smoking and obesity [AI]). It goes to show that even in the most severe forms of mental distress, on average, people seem to manage it quite well. But again, averages are illusive: if you go to the extremes of the extremes (say the top 1% of most severe depression), that's probably not anywhere you want to be. Same with smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day or weighing 600 lbs.

I don't think people appreciate how profound conflict can break your health. People with schizophrenia have a ~15 years shorter livespan on average (granted like 70% of them smoke, but still). Actually, adjusting for suicide, smoking and obesity, probably 5-10 years lifespan reduction remains [AI]. That's on a similar level as lifelong smoking and severe obesity. But that's just an average, and the thing is people aren't usually in a state of conflict all the time, people are actually quite resilient, those who survive of course. Those who get truly stuck in conflict I think deterioate very quickly and die, but those cases are extremely rare.

If you want to commit suicide you've already done it; the pleasure here is in exposing it (in this case, on an online forum). There are plenty of ways to lose yourself, free yourself, and cumming without committing suicide. The world does indeed impose a certain degree of castration; you can't kill people for example lol; but you overestimate it, which pushes you toward psychotic episodes; because of decompression. You have no idea what will happen after death, and you only have this idea because something is pushing you in that direction, and what's pushing you in that direction is the belief that you can't express your energy in the world.

Keep fucking with me I am on the brink of suicide and you keep fucking with me you are just like nahm when soonhei ended up jumping you are about to be my own NAHM I hate you

I am very grateful that I am mostly healthy and able to ejoy life in the present moment. However, sometimes I do get sick or a headache and I wonder, damn, how are the people that feel like this 24/7 able to live? Why wouldn't they just end it and hope for a better reincarnation? Especially if one has already awakened to his true nature that as eternal and infinite.

### Owen Cook's "Endless Motivation" Masterclass: The Complete Breakdown (2025 Cut) This is the single most confrontational, high-octane, no-bullshit execution talk Owen has ever delivered. It’s not feel-good spirituality. It’s not another “meditate and manifest” video. It’s a war cry against the modern trance state he calls “derping” — and a complete system to become a relentless executor who actually gets massive results in every area of life. Core Framework: The Three States 1. Derper – Passive, numb, autopilot, path of least resistance. Driven by junk food, dopamine hits, short attention spans, fear of thinking (cortisol). Most of society lives here. This is the “2 + 2 = 5 because they said so” zombie mode. 2. Executor – You accept the cortisol of thinking. You force yourself to stay conscious. You fight the derp every single day with religious intensity. This is the foundation. 3. Transcendent – The higher spiritual states only become stably accessible AFTER you master execution. You can’t transcend while you’re still a derper eating Cheetos and forgetting where you put your keys. Key Insight Execution itself is a meditation. Sitting on a cushion for 20 minutes is great for ego dissolution, but if you’re still derping the other 23 hours and 40 minutes, you’re deluding yourself. Execution meditation (constantly breaking autopilot, asserting, auditing, pushing resistance) is the skeleton that allows real transcendence to grow flesh on it. The 25 Execution Meditation Practices (The Actual System) 1. Assert yourself in every situation (move chairs, lead the group, give energy). 2. Write everything down immediately — billionaires do, broke people think they’re too smart to need to. 3. Double/triple/quadruple check everything. Assume your brain is trying to trick you into laziness. 4. Do new things daily that scare your autopilot (left-hand brushing, cold showers, harder routes). 5. Constantly ask: “What else could I be doing with this time right now?” 6. Ruthlessly cut time-wasting activities (gossip, victimhood, mindless scrolling = spiritual suicide). 7. Audit in advance: “What could go wrong? How could this be misinterpreted?” 8. Extend your attention span deliberately — read the hardest books (Ulysses, Atlas Shrugged) until your brain stops begging for a nap. 9. Always choose the path of most resistance and most effort (stairs, not elevator; fix the thing now, not later). 10. Take total responsibility for yourself AND everyone around you — anticipate their derping too. 11. Proactively raise your emotional ceiling — get addicted to 9/10 states, not 5/10 numbness. 12. Stick to your principles even when it’s socially costly (don’t get dragged into pig-wrestling). 13. Seek truth, not popularity. Train yourself to think “Is this accurate?” not “Will this get me approved?” 14. Solve the hardest version of every problem (film in grizzly country, not your bedroom). 15. Think from other people’s paradigms constantly — marketing, leadership, conflict resolution all come from this. 16. Stop seeking ego-stroking “How was that?” from friends. Know your own standard. 17. Access transcendent states through flow, contribution, and pushing your edge — not just substances. 18. Install new empowering beliefs deliberately. 19. Seek brutal feedback only from people whose results you respect. 20. Connect every present action to its future consequence in real time. 21. When the inner voice says “you’re being lazy,” obey it instantly — no negotiation. 22. Test yourself in fluid, chaotic situations (sports, nightlife, crises) — normalcy bias kills. 23. Practice holding 20+ spinning plates in your mind at once. 24. Take extreme ownership — you are the white ball on the pool table, not the colored one. 25. Realize, multiple times per day, that you are in a trance — and snap out of it immediately. The Brutal Truth Owen Hammered Home Society is engineered to keep you derping (garbage food, jump-cut media, degenerate role models, fear porn). The people at the very top do not respect you. They think you’re food. They are correct — until you prove otherwise by executing so hard you become undeniable. Most “spiritual” content keeps you comfortable in derp mode because that’s where the money is (twin flames, LOA parking-spot manifestation, etc.). Real awakening requires you to first become a conscious executor who refuses the trance. Final Line That Should Be Tattooed on Your Brain “Any failure you have from this day forward is 100% on you. I just spent hours screaming this in your face. There’s nothing more a human can do.” If you actually implement even half of these 25 practices for 90 days, your life will be unrecognizable. Most people will watch this, nod, feel motivated for 12 hours… then go right back to derping. Don’t be most people. Fight the derp until you die. Your future self (and the world) is begging you to.

To not commit suicide, And boy is it hard..

I've been watching Leo's prerequisite videos for conscious politics and am hoping to run for a local office or voulenteer for one but wasn't really sure how/where to start. I have struggled with subatance abuse and sucicdal thoughts and I want to get involved with these issues. I would love any/all feedback

I found this post on reddit and want to know what ya'll think about it... 25 years of Trump & Epstein "Friendship"! 2000: Trump learns Epstein trafficked and "stole" underaged masseuse Virginia Giuffre from Trump's adult spa. 2002: Trump says “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” 2003: Trump sends note to Epstein: "may every day be another wonderful secret". 2007: Trump Bans Epstein from mar-a-lago after Trump got into a bidding war for a mansion they both were interested in. Epstein indicted. Epstein is tipped off in advance that he is about to be raided, and hires cleaners to wipe his hard drives and remove everything. Nevertheless, there is so much evidence that the police still found tons of homemade child porn and other incriminating documents, including instructions how to take delivery of a girl he bought in Thailand. 2008: Prosecutor Alex Acosta gave Epstein a sweet plea deal that destroyed all the evidence, and, get this: granted immunity to any unindicted co-conspirators. You read that right, Epstein's original FL plea deal not only wiped his record and gave him immunity, it also gave immunity to everyone he committed crimes and raped kids with, known and unknown! 2017: Acosta, who gave Epstein and all his co-child rapists immunity, becomes Trump's Secretary of Labor. 2019: Epstein is jailed again on new sex-trafficking charges. Under Trump's command, the federal prison where Epstein is being held takes him off suicide watch, moves him to a solitary cell where the cameras outside are not working, and forgets to make their rounds at the same that three minutes of camera footage are deleted from the hallway camera, during which Epstein dies. 2020-2024: The Biden administration prosecutes and convicts Ghislaine Maxwell, and begins sealed grand-jury investigations against other co-conspirators, in addition to releasing the largest trove of Epstein-related documents to date, including the "Epstein Tapes" in which Jeff Epstein (RIPiss) calls Trump his "closest friend for ten years". Trump campaigns on releasing ALL of the Epstein Files. Investigators find over 1.5$ BILLION USD of transactions connected to Epsteins bank accounts and are pursuing leads to find owners and recipients of those funds. 2025: Trump cancels the grand-jury investigations, fires the prosecutor, and claims Epstein is a "hoax" made up by Obama. Entire GOP votes to shut down the government in order to prevent a vote on the Epstein files. Trump DOJ has a secret meeting with Ghislaine and moves her to a fenceless minimum-security "club Fed" with work-release privileges. Trump administration intervenes to allow child sex-predator Tom Artiom Alexandrovich to flee to Israel in order to avoid criminal charges in Nevada. GOP Speaker of the house claims Trump was the FBI informant who brought down Epstein despite the same "informant" claiming it being a hoax by Obama... Which he is backtracked 2 days later. Trump ordered his DOJ and FBI to use over 1,000 FBI agents to redact his name from the Epstein files. Republicans voted to protect child rapists on Sep 10th. And have kept the government closed since October to prevent the seating of a elected democrat that would break the tie vote to release the epstein files. GOP is the party of pedophiles. Thoughts?

He doxxed the girlfriends and wives of multiple dating coaches and posted their photos to insult their looks, and I know another dating coach who said he had students who were arrested for following his advice. He also used the suicide of a social skills coach to insult him and advertise himself.

I went through a deep hopelessness this week. I think travelling I don’t sleep properly for 3 days. Then, starting this new job which is only for money I realized how I’ll have to endure actually doing it everyday…. I hate being a slave. Dark times, suicidal thoughts, hopelessness. Things which I feel from time to time. I lose the big picture of my dreams and how I strategically chose these jobs to solve problems. It’s just u sense I’m getting older which creates this panic of running out of time. Old age does scared me and I worry I’ll be too old before my dreams can be made real. Then, suicide is the only option because I’m not living a shithole old age wage slave life. I’m gonna keep focusing on sleep because that seems to be the thing that’s helping me bounce back. I also enjoy breathwork, Qigong, acupressure and journaling to help ground me. …. life should be profound and awesome. I don’t want a boring life tbh. I want success, creativity, and to make and share music in a meaningful way. Unfortunately, for whatever reason that isn’t guaranteed which is really stupid design. Again, solipsism and tinnitus, and how fucking hard reality is is a stupid design. I’m not saying it should be so easy to not have value but… tinnitus is a stupid feature to reality. Fuck God for tinnitus. anyway, I’m off to be a fucking wage slave.

Yes you're right by well being i meant happiness not confort. Yes but I'll tell you that it's because what matters is social relationships, money, stress, etc. While you propose idealistic assumptions; we're back to square one. Btw if you look at suicide statistics worldwide, there is no significant correlation between suicide and lifestyle. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_pays_par_taux_de_suicide#/media/Fichier:Map_of_countries_by_suicide_rate,_WHO_(2019).svg Worst than that; if you take the european map of suicide rate (https://partibreton.bzh/disparition-du-docteur-philippe-carrer-le-parti-breton-salue-le-travail-eclairant-de-lethnopsychiatre/carte-taux-de-suicide-en-europe/) you see that actually the areas with the lowest suicide rates are modern and densely populated regions. In France, the rural and sparsely populated west (Bretagne, Normandie...) has a high suicide rate, while Île-de-France—the wealthiest and most densely populated region, where Paris is located—has the lowest suicide rate. The same is true in Poland if you compare the rate in the Warsaw region to other, less developed regions; the same is true in Spain, Italy, Romania, and most countries except Germany, although the region around Berlin always has an "abnormally" low rate. Great Britain, which is quite densely populated and has one of the smallest and most closely packed houses in Europe, has one of the lowest suicide rates; despite the weather, lol. Conversely the highest rates are in Northern Europe and even (though not as clearly seen) in Russia, in supposedly traditional northern qnd eastern regions. The more traditional and sparsely populated the regions, the more people tend to commit suicide; the suicide rate in Moscow is one of the lowest in Russia. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Taux_régionaux_de_suicide_en_Russie_(2015).png

I'm moving away from insisting on a mechanically comprehensible meaning of life. The meaning of my life is whatever I'm doing right now. My reason to keep living is to keep doing whatever that happens to be. I know I'm going to die one day, but I don't know when or how. Insisting on knowing everything ultimately leads to insisting on knowing when and how I'm going to die, which is simply an act of suicide.

Thoughts aren't actually real, which is the point, but they do drive you into action and create your reality. You don't really need to "respect" thoughts in my opinion in any kind of sense. Just change what you focus on. You can literally talk yourself out of a thought pattern like your talking to ChatGPT, to use a modern day example. Being suicidal is when you are run by negative thought patterns that interpret reality in such a way that you feel suicide is the only option. Suicide in of itself is a natural response to the sense of a helpless situation. The issue is that thoughts may or may not correspond with reality. At least to a certain degree, you are free to interpret reality however you want, which is especially true in first world countries where we have the free time to ponder while at the same time being socially isolate. Granted, I'm not a mentally ill person, so mileage may vary, but in my experience you have a lot of power to change your mind by changing what you focus on, thereby changing your reality. That is the power of mind. If you are seriously mentally ill then you probably would benefit from professional treatment. My perspective is not meant to belittle or undermine the difficulty of a sick mind, but I do believe that you have more power over your situation than you tend to think you do in most situations.

It seems contradictory to me to say both "The mind is very powerful" and "It's all in your head" in the same argument. In my experience, "It's all in your head" is typically a statement that dismisses the power of the mind. I'd rather lean toward the mind being very powerful, which is why I suggest facing thoughts with due respect as such. Some thoughts, including thoughts of suicide, can be very slippery and don't want to be faced because they're used to their anonymous power. They don't easily share their secrets. It can be tricky to get to them and find out what you describe of them using the idea of suicide for catharsis or control or escape or whatever it is they really happen to be doing outside the light. I don't really disagree with you, I just want to acknowledge that thoughts are to be first respected, even if they are then to be dismissed.

I'm speaking from my own personal experience with dealing with suicidal ideation. It's all in your head. Yes, as you gain more experience and understanding you learn to manage and you learn to take your thoughts less seriously. What suicidal people don't tend to admit is that they actually sort of enjoy thinking about suicide because it is cathartic and gives them a sense of control. It's an escape they are giving into. The mind is very powerful. You can create your own personal hell if you want to. A lot of suicidal people is due to people being emotionally immature and not understanding their own situation fully.

Suicide is extreme, and so far as I know, irrevocable. What less extreme options have you tried? Have you given away your possessions and gone on a pilgrimage? Have you tried fasting meditation? Have you tried it again? Have you tried moving somewhere else; if you're in the city, to the country; if you're in the country, to the city; if you're in the east, to the west, or vice versa? Have you tried psychedelics? Have you tried them under spiritual guidance? Have you looked for a different job? Have you openly violated oppressive social norms? My point isn't that you should do all or any of these things. My point is; think about how your fixation is specifically on suicide, when reason would dictate that there are invariably more options to be considered if you are even marginally healthy in body. If you just wait a while, you're going to die anyway. Why insist on receiving early what is already guaranteed?

I'll just put this out there; intrusive suicidal thoughts, once begun, are non-rational. I have a friend who had never been depressed or had a suicidal thought until he was in his late thirties and hurt his shoulder. It was nothing major that couldn't improve with physical therapy and certainly not a disaster to end one's life over, but he was and always had been materially and psychologically dependent on having a strong body, so he started on a downward spiral where he stopped eating, drank heavily, and openly talked about going out back with a rifle. Over time, his shoulder got better, and so did his mood. His suicidal thinking had a reason behind it, but I can't really call it rational. I myself, after being triggered by prolonged verbal abuse and neglect in my adolescence, had regular intrusive thoughts of ending my life until my early thirties, when they went away without any explanation. I just noticed one day that I hadn't had a suicidal thought for a few weeks. Nothing else had changed, I wasn't noticeably happier or wealthier or more enlightened, but I didn't think about my death anymore without deliberate effort. My point is that the reasoning behind thinking of killing yourself is arbitrary. Anyone could be triggered to think about suicide over any kind of loss or upset, depending on their personality. Your reasoning for suicidal ideation seems to me to at least be more reasonable than hurting your shoulder, but the fact is that someone else might go through what you went through and not think of suicide at all. Your circumstances are irrelevant, excepting that they are what triggered you. You're trying to reason your way through something that is not rational; there is no tipping point where you are supposed to or must commit suicide for any kind of reason. Whether you live or die is an arbitrary result of the fact that for billions of years, every single one of your ancestors without exception is the one who lived to reproduce. Suicidal thoughts are certainly a part of your suffering, and add to it. There's no greater meaning to them beyond that, though, other than that they are a window into the specific nature of your own consciousness.

This is unlikely to be helpful to anyone at all because I can't explain it, but here it is. I used to have intrusive suicidal thoughts on a regular basis. Growing up in an abusive household, it was not infrequent for me to lay in bed for hours writing a spiteful suicide note in my head, and even once I got out of the house, that habit of regularly going to a suicidal place stuck roughly into my thirties. Then a day came that I noticed that I wasn't having suicidal thoughts, and hadn't for a few weeks. I didn't and still don't have any idea what changed. I didn't have an obvious breakthrough, I didn't get hit in the head, I didn't win a lottery, I wasn't happier or more satisfied with my life than I used to be. It just quietly went away as I progressed with my inner work. What I gather from this is that suicidal ideation is not circumstance-dependent. It is its own thing, that won't necessarily go away if your circumstances improve, and won't necessarily stick around even if your circumstances get worse. It left me without saying goodbye, and I haven't seen it since.

Oh I was being mild. Every year before SRS I was turning over suicide plans in my head like making pancakes every morning. My anatomy was draining my will to live and ever since I had it done I haven't considered suicide a single time. I have half the self hatred I had before, and most of that turned into giggly perplexion that so many people seem to think conversion therapy works. It's probably because I'm not offering enough femininity to them which is why I made my pancakes analogy.

@Agrande It's tempting to believe there is an "easy" way out, but is there? I believe there isn't. I believe that even if you commit suicide, your energy/frequency continues to exist, and it will lead you to a "new dream" where you will have to overcome the same problems you face here. The only way forward is through your problems. The fastest way is to face things and resolve your shit. That's the purpose of Life.