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Best way I can describe what I think reincarnation is with simulation theory. Pretend that you are a computer right now you have a hard drive you have a gpu you have ram you have a power supply and you have power.The power coming into the computer is God. You are so used to the on state that you forget that you even have seperate parts working in unison to create your experience. Death would be like you noticing all your separate parts working together to form your current experience as the power slowly leaves them one at a time and then you sit there in an off state and forget you were even running a simulation. Most people dont know there is something that is them but not them flowing through them the energy of God. The creator of their simulation.(coming from the plug in the wall) Seeing this is the first part of spirituality. Now God is farming simulations. The simulations can over time remeber their off states. They become aware enough to 'see' when they are off and they will remeber that they are a simulation faster when they are turned on. This is a signal to God (the power in you coming from an unknown source like a plug in the wall) that you are gaining consciousness. We as simulation have information from our own computers that is being uploaded to the internet and we are playing a video game together as the energy of God flowing through our computers. Moksha (I think) is like the simulation saying Hey! Im not the computer im the power coming from the plug in the wall! Im going to go there when I die and merge with the fucking energy of the universe, not just sit in my off state. Or its like the computer saying hey my avatar dosent exist on a personal computer it exists within the internet and when you die you live on the internet not a personal computer simulation and never turn off. Not knowing this is sitting as an off computer until someone uses your simulation again.

@Someone here Because I can't remember any previous lives or physical deaths, I try not to believe or disbelieve anything I learn about, especially matters such as this, reincarnation, but it sounds good! I think this process comes about via Karma at play, it has to be worked out or burned up and most times it takes more than 80 yrs to do so, since ppl are creating more Karma along the way, so as they say many lifetimes are needed to play it all out... In the end its all about Absolute, this Brahma getting to experience and express itself imho, otherwise why are we and all this creation here?? Sadhguru says to never ask why, when You do then as story has to be told to You and via that a belief or disbelief is born which leads us further away from Experientially knowing, someday we will find out for sure:)

Reincarnation has been part of eastern Dharmic religions ( Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism,Sikhism ) as well as Taoism, and also native european belief systems such as the Orphic Greeks, Celts, native German, Slav and Norse religions for milleniums. Reincarnation is also a belief in native north American tribes such as the Inuit, Navajo, Tlingit, Haida. Gitxsan, Dene Dháa . Also african tribes such as the Igbo, Nupe and Yoruba of Nigeria, Akamba of Kenya, Akan of Ghana, Baganda of Uganda. Also in some cultural groups in the native Australians. Even in the Abrahamic traditions, reincarnation as a belief exists among the Druze, Islamic shia sects (Alawites, Ahmadi religion of peace and light. ) , Jewish Kaballah, early Christian sects of Cathars, Bologmils ( which were persecuted to extinction by the Catholic church) and modern christian sects like 'The Christian Community , 'The Order of The Cross' , Kardecism. In western psychiatry and psychology as well, the likes of Dr. Brian Weiss, Dr. Michael Newton , Dr. Ian stevenson ,Dr. Jim Tucker and others has compiled a body of research work substantiating reincarnation and showing that it may have a basis in fact.

@Javfly33 @Ishanga @Breakingthewall In Buddhism they believe in reincarnation and karma. You keep reincarnating after death until you "pay" all your karma and then you stop and cease to exist completely. That state of cessation and nothingness is called "Nirvana ". It's basically a form of salvation and being free from the sufferings of life. (because according to Buddhism.. life is suffering). I was raised as a Hindu. Hinduism also have moksha . Which is when the self realises its The Self .when the drop realises its the entire ocean and dissolves into infinity . Its also in Hinduism called when atman (the human self ) awakens to the realization that its Brahman (the universal Self or the "all") What do you think of the Buddhist and Hindu narrative? And what is your own definition of Nirvana? Of course anyone is free to comment..maybe Leo or @Princess Arabia or @Davino or @Hojo or @Razard86etc . But I tagged these three members on top because I read them using these terms often and i want to get a full comprehensive idea of how this works . To me..life is not a video game ..with past lives and accumulated karma and shit like that . We just born ..live ..die ..and disappear as a finite human..and then you exist as formless consciousness forever. But then again why the hell shouldn't a limited form exist again ? Bottom line is consciousness is immortal .it can't die in its most basic absolute form .but the details remain a mystery. I guess we all gonna die and find out .or...?

Yes but how to go deep enough to understand what is that process that is happening and where it leads, what are the mechanics of the cosmos. There is possible to know such things, or are just fantasies? Reincarnation, etc. Some says that they remember past lifes and they know exactly why this life is happening and where this leads. Maybe it's true, maybe no. But could be true

@decentralized Get to the basics, come back to earth. Create a goal for yourself, join some free free education course or get some certifications if you can (you might even apply for some low-skill job to get some cash going), do some Physical exercise (even just cardio is great) and get some therapy if you can. Having a voice in your head telling you things, is NEVER a good thing. You have to feel like you are the one the one making the decisions. In the meanwhile i would suggest you toput aside the piritual imaginary and culture for now (Reincarnation, ego death, chakras etc). Stay away from energetic practices stuff like Kundalini and Kriya Yoga. If you do that kind stuf without a mentor it can ruin you. Don't fall into the trap of spiritualizing you problems. Very few issues are purely spiritual and most can be resolved by taking action in the world. I think you should just leave the habit of doing some do-nothing meditation like 30 min everyday and let go of everything that appears in your experience, if you get kriyas, let it do their things, accept and kidly let go off of every thoughts you find intrusive or negative. Simple Hatha Yoga can be can be good aswell. Focus on getting beck on track with life in general. Once you get the boat going you can dive deep in spirituality again.

Well if that's the case..then why make dozens of threads about cessation..mahasmadhi..non existence..ending the cycle of reincarnation etc ? If you feel happy just by existing then this is good. This a sign of enlightenment. But i don't believe you're "there "yet . I've followed your posts over the years ...you improved..but you still believe the true nature is nothingness and not both nothingness and everythingness ..which oddly enough you seem to contradict once again with this post. So what's the deal jav?

Ever since I was a kid I could lucid dream , but conversely I had dreams that were way more dissociative than the average dream. I would become a woman , or an old man and have a completely different set of memories and life in my dream. This scared me because this experience made me feel that my Self, is my identity and to lose this identity is to die permanently. No different than an eternal void. Reincarnation which comforts others as an afterlife was unacceptable to me. You are telling me if I die and come back as a bee and have the consciousness of a bee with no prior memories of this life that I have survived death? NO! I would have died, that bee is not me. Death haunts me, I don't want to lose this identity for it feels like losing myself in totality. Now if I die and I am a bee , but there is a continuity, i.e. the same sense of self and past memories, that I can accept. Nobody seems to get what I'm trying to say here. I understand there is an awareness that continues, I have experienced it first hand when I had vivid dreams that I am a middle aged woman with a family ( I am a male in my young 20's). I know there was still an awareness there, but it wasn't me. Yes I understand all identities are equally valid and real since reality is relative. This whoever doesn't solve the fear and attachment this current ego feels to it's current identity. Even referring to it as "this ego" feels weird because I am going into third person when all I'm referring to is myself. Yes yes I know what you will already say, but it is not comforting, because I am selfish and only care about the continued existence of this present identity I feel to be ME.

Science and Reincarnation...

That's correct. But you don't have access to the cheat codes . Otherwise go ahead and materialise for me a chicken biryani dish because I'm starving right now in college 😂. You see..you have denied yourself the access to the rules of reality deliberately to make life more fun and exciting or adventures. My comment was meant to shed light on this naive view of yours about reincarnation and mahasmadhi. As if you are literally a video game character in a video game world with a lifetime span and second trials .it's not like that bro .

You may not believe in reincarnation, but this current incarnation you are experiencing is a fact, period. No one comes here as carte blanche. In addition to the vehicle that is your body, which was built based on specific information, you also receive at the entrance an extremely subtle software of the ego-mind, which gradually activates and updates itself as you develop as a human being. This software contains a whole lot of engrams of memory traces stretching back to 4 generations. Traumas, dysfunctional behavior patterns, various tendencies, also positive ones. This is shown by the latest epigenetic research. Ergo, if you believe that you are here for the first time (or not), then know that the sum of the conditions into which you are put, visually resembles a very sophisticated cage - maze structure. No relativization of this fact will change anything here. Dream or not dream - it happens, period. Even if you manage to climb the walls of this maze for a moment or jump high enough to see it from a wider perspective - in the end you have to come back here and find the way out yourself. Once you discover this scary beauty of this multidimensional puzzle, this task of getting out of here may seem impossible. Remember that "it always seems impossible unitl it's done" - Nelson Mandela.

Eternal Reincarnation

I wrote on a social group, that it would be so Ironic if Senwar was reincarnated as an Israeli child or if Hitler was reborn as a jew and then someone responded, that already happened it is Netanyahu

Some mystics say that enlightenment is the end of the wheel of reincarnation, that any being that exists is a process from the most basic to enlightenment and fusion with the whole, for example David Hawking says this. According to him, total enlightenment means complete opening to the absolute and from there there is no other way, but at the same time he says that Buddha or Jesus Christ were at level 1000 and the archangels at level 7000. I don't know, it's all speculation, I doubt that any human fully understands what the cosmos is and what the next evolutionary step is. The possible dimensions are literally unimaginable, the possibilities of existence are infinite. Not all forms necessarily have to entail suffering and ignorance. What I do intuitively believe is evident is that the more you go deeper and open up in this life, the better.

All religions are in some way true and mainly , or for the mass, absolutely false, since their objective is not the opening of the individual to the absolute, but rather his adaptation to the social machinery. They all basically function around a punishment/reward axis, and their objective is the castration of individuals to make social commitment viable. Buddhism also works like this through the idea of reincarnation. But at the bottom of all religions there is a kernel of truth: dilute your ego and you will find the absolute. Well, not all, the Nordic or Greek mythologies do not seem very useful in this aspect, but surely there would also be mystics then. In Romans Jupiter could be understood as the absolute for example. Manitou the same, and I guess that in all of them there is a core of truth

@UnbornTao Are you saying to get the nature of life before understanding consciousness? What is your response referring to? If you are referring to understanding the nature of life before understanding reincarnation, I somewhat agree with you.

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I think you need to do more work to establish that reincarnation is true, because from the premises you laid out , reincarnation doesn't seem to follow. Reincarnation usually presuppose more than just what you implied. It usually presupposes that you are a soul (which in my understanding refers to an immortal ego and not to consciousness in a broad metaphysical sense). But Im not read up on reincarnation, and I can grant that the term probably can be cashed out in many different ways. But regardless, my general point is that from eternity reincarnation doesnt necessarily follow. All you establish with eternity and with math is that there is a possibility space and whatever is in that possibility space - that will be eventually actualized. But notice that if reincarnation is not inside that possibility space, then even if you give it infinite time, it will never be actualized. So you basically need to give a supporting argument where you establish that reincarnation is in the possibility space. Once you do that, your conclusion seem to follow (if we accept the other premises).

I have noticed that bringing up the subject of reincarnation arouses almost as much excitement among forum members as endless solipsistic debates. In the case of reincarnation, however, one can sense a distinct resistance to even considering such a possibility among some participants. In conversations with Christian friends, it is similar. Very interesting and funny. Well, it is better to return to nothingness than to reincarnate into the experience of being a small, fat girl with Down syndrome, acne-prone skin and an unpleasant smell of sweat, isn't it? The subject of reincarnation can be an interesting instrument for measuring our current attachment to form, identification with it, and our openess to infinity of existence with its infinite ways of experiencing itself. It showes us where we really are on our journey.

So is reincarnation true? Is there life after death. I want you to contemplate the following quote: "Think of it like this: Before you were born, you were in a state of nonexistence/nothingness -- kind of like how you might imagine death to be. But yet, you were born from this nothingness. It is like you were in death already and yet you came to be! Death is fertile for birth. After you die, you do a similar process as you did when you were born. The Universe knows no time. Eternity is at the blink of an eye. This is one life out of an infinite that you'll live. Existence is the miracle. The Universe is Magic! Welcome to the game of Eternity." In this way, death can be understood as the reset for rebirth. You could be dead for a billion years, but yet, the time between your death and the next life would be as if no time passed at all just like in your sleep. When you die, it will be as if you never even lived, but it will also be as if you never died either. You've lived an infinite number of past lives already, but to live this life requires you to forget all the others. Is reincarnation true? Well, what is the alternative? That you die and never wake up? Or that you wake up from nothingness just as you have already done before? How is it even possible that you were born in the first place? Do you see how existence is like rolling a double six. It might be improbable, but the Universe is eternal. That means that it has eternity to make the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 probability happen. This 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 is life itself. No other planet that we know of has life on it. The Universe will keep rolling until it hits the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000. But it will be as if life is a given. It will be as if rolling a double six was meant to be. If the Universe is eternal, then it makes sense that life, no matter how improbable it is, will inevitably exist. Life is inevitable because of eternity. In the same way, how could your rebirth not be inevitable because of Eternity?

What if? Nothing was ever created or destroyed because the nature of existence is simply existence. What is manifested is only an endless cascade of dreams in dreams. There is no objective history, or evolution of man, nature, or the universe. Every story we tell ourselves is written in the dynamic scenario of human experience to give us a certain context of our experience. Experiencing in existence takes place through mutual relations. There is an infinite, multidimensional chain of relative relations. You will not fully experience your role without completely losing yourself in it. You will not look at the world through the eyes of a medieval farmer, remembering ChatGPT, space flights, the LHC, etc. You assume that the previous experience of human life was in the so-called past as people understand it. Your previous incarnation could have been on a very advanced planet, where beautiful people live in harmony with the cosmos, pursue their beautiful passions, and even master sub-reincarnation - transfer to another body within this peculiar paradise. Do you realize what resistance you would have to incarnate on Earth A.D. 2024? The same as now, when you think your next incarnation will be in the backward Middle Ages. Remembering "previous", often very different experiences from the current one, while believing in the absolutism of the current ones would be torture for most. If you are playing the role of the Godfather, mixing it with the adventures of Bridget Jones makes little sense, because "being macho" simply won't work. You may not always incarnate as human, or have human experience. As a human, you don't know how capacious human experience is, have no clue what infinity of existence really means, and in general, know very very little, almost nothing. The human scene is not the only one, nor is it the most important. Nothing is more or less. The whole existence is nothing more than a mega-theatre with an infinite number of stages, on which an infinite number of plays are performed so that you don't get bored because being eternal perfection for the sake of being is simply boring and pointless. You happened to choose this scene called Earth 2024 (enter your country, city, and family) and of course, you deliberately forgot what you are because otherwise acting in this play would make no sense. Just as we give awards to actors who can completely lose themselves in the character they are playing, you do the same. Some stories and novels are very long and extend over many years or even eras. Let's take Tolkien as an example. The same applies to our so-called earthly fates. Do we have any Tolkien fans here? Your attempt to understand what is happening without a real (not conceptual) reminder of what you are, however, included in your script, is simply doomed to failure. Seeing through closed eyes, levitation, and moving so-called matter with the help of intention alone is possible. Imagine that you are acting out a scene in which you are a conscious stone. Like in the movie "Everything, Everywhere, All At Once". Come on, stimulate your imagination! You put on a cardboard disguise and hold a still dialogue with another actor. You forget that you are a human being and you really can't move even a millimeter. Forget about jumping. But it's enough to simply remind yourself what/who you are, which is for certain reasons utterly hard. Duality extends much further than you think, far beyond this tiny, "material" dimension. It's all true. Relatively. As Pablo Picasso said: "Everything you can imagine is real". one, not so big "if" PS In this act of our play, we approach quite close to a little bigger picture from many directions:

Another example of looking at reincarnation on a different perspective: Imagine you are born from a pedophile priest that raped children because the genetics of you her parents also raped because it was an habit of trying to get love from feeling unwanted by your mother (or who knows why). To get born as that, reality has to be able to maintain that type of memory of that trauma, there has to be a predisposition to maintain and preserve that kind of patterns. That would be a type of reincarnation. Instead of thinking it as bodies reincarnation, think it as reencarnations of certain patterns. As reality, you did not dissolve or distanced yourself enough from the trauma of raping, so inevitably you pass it through your children, and inevitably you maintain that through another cycle. In other point of Infinity, there is a certain fragment of Reality that is very similar to the parent of the rapist, and is ready to take the form of the new born child. The Reality that gets incarnated into the child of the rapist priest, is a Reality that has not dissolved his karma in his previous life so is inevitably 'attracted' to that kind of new experience/ego. (which of course is not new, is the same cycle but with different body) @Breakingthewall Is all a Recycling circus of memory.

@Javfly33 if the reincarnation finish and the reality is no form, there is no time, then if in any moment the form starts again, it's immediately after than the last incarnation, because between both there is not time. Then, right now it's the no time, and inside is the appearance of an experience that happens in time, always, because there are not Limits to prevent it

I don't think anyone can really answer your question about reincarnation. Tbh, when I think about it, do we know if Anand Mayi Maa reincarnated despite being devoted to God her whole life? No. Do we know if Sadhguru's wife who willingly left her body, reincarnated or not? No. Do we know if Osho, who remembered all his past lives and spent all his life teaching spiritual stuff and getting into scams later, was incarnated or not? No. But, from my limited understanding, I can tell that, you will keep reincarnating until you have no desire left, worldly or other-worldly, even a desire for liberation is a desire.

Forever without experience is an instant out of the time. It's impossible to imagine, because it's enlightenment. But in this instant out of the time infinite experiences appears, apparently. Then , what is reincarnation? Really I don't understand it, but all the mystics talk about it.