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  1. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    10 hours ago, remember said:

    how do you know this? it might be that he is just sick of the group pressure and pressure sexuality puts on him. why starting to throw around with words like pathetic and cringy? because no fap and celibacy is so out of fashion or what`s the problem? how is it you judge about him right away that he doesn`t have oppotunities? there are thousands of guys without opportunities who are too weak to try it intentionally for some time, or who really struggle to get away from porn. why judging him for wanting to do that?

    he asked a question about how important it is to infuse his no fap time with spirituality and what mostly comes back is judgement and hate. why? because it`s so fun triggering?

    Before you post any further, please learn English. Work on some reading comprehension skills.

    If you actually read all of his posts, you would see that his ego is bullshitting him, he is just trying to find reasons and justifications to make it look like he is above "sex", and that not having sex will lead him to enlightenment. 

    Put him in a situation where there would be a woman who he finds very attractive wanting to have sex with him, you can be sure that he would do it.

    It's much easier to sit on a couch, and write on a forum all day, trying to come up with excuses for your misery, instead of taking action and creating the life that you want to have.  Yes I find it cringy and pathetic, and I am not shy to use those words.

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    14 hours ago, SQAAD said:

    I personally know people who live without sex for years & they are ok. They are almost as ok as people who engage in sex.

    Both those groups are starved dogs. Who does get enough sex nowadays? Even Dan Bilzerian doesn't get enough sex.

    The more you have sex, the more you wanna have sex. Like an addiction & you suffer.

    You don't have sex? You still suffer because of the desire. So it's about which sh*t sandwitch are you willing to eat. 

    I am just tasting a new flavor now.

    Your self-bias is blinding you pretty bad. The reason why you are not having sex is not because you CHOOSE to go celibate, but because you HAVE no choice. Instead of whining and creating "spiritual" justifications for your misery, work on yourself and find yourself a partner with who you can be intimate. It is beyond cringy and pathetic 

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    10 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

    The statement "It's ironic that you react the same way the people who you call devils do." is highly nuanced. The key term that orients the view is "same". Assumptions about "same" and "different" can blind a person to seeing false equivalencies. A false equivalency manifests when a person creates an equivalency and believes it to be objectively and universally true. They are unaware of another perspective, or realm, in which that equivalency is false. You perceive that Leo is reacting the same way the people who Leo calls devils do. You see that sameness as an equivalency that is objective and universally true. I am not saying that perspective is wrong. What i am saying is that by assuming sameness, one contracts themself into that sameness. If all one can see is Sameness, they will not be able to see Difference. In other words, if all one can see is an equivalency, they will not be able to see the false equivalency. Attachment/Identification to an equivalency will make it much harder to transcend and expand beyond it. Your statement is both right and wrong, yet you seem to be attached/identified to the rightness and cannot see the wrongness. . . Judging the sameness carries more relevance than the difference is also relative, yet one must be able to see both the sameness and difference to make this judgement. For example, if you saw two antique cups as being the same you would not be able to assign relative value to one tea cup over the other, because you don't see any differences between the tea cups. If you said "the two tea cups are the same" and I told you "that is a false equivalency", you wold disagree because all you can see is sameness and are unaware of difference. . . Leo did a good job explaining this in his "Sameness and Difference" video.

    You are way overthinking and over analyzing this. It is far more simple. The ego-mechanism is the same and works the same way  for every human.

    Whenever I have confronted Leo or have seen others confront him, he has reacted the exact same way that the people who he calls devils do. He either defends his position till the end with many justifications, or either totally ignores you. And he is 100% convinced that he is right - that I already know no matter what anyone says, they would not even make him consider changing his mind. (Based from my observation, his biggest self-bias lies in his political views. )

    I never seen him say (on this forum):

    1) I don't know, I might actually be wrong

    2) I will re-consider my position

    When I go back and look at my own behavior, I have done the same and still do to this day. Everyone does.

     

  6. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    4 hours ago, Rilles said:

    I agree with you but a sidenote...

    Alex Jones has actually blamed his Sandy Hook outcries on his psychosis... Look it up! 

    So Leo is half right haha

    This is not true, this is what MSM likes you to think. Unfortunately even Leo is not immune to it.

    His reponse to Sandy Hook stuff was taken totally out of context, and was used to totally destroy his reputation. If you look at all his interviews that he done with MSM networks, they were all cut, taken out of context to make him look like a crazy guy.

    In actuality he admitted that he was wrong on Sandy Hook and apologized for it. Other than that, a lot of other things that he said turned out to be true.

     

    4 hours ago, Cocolove said:

    DId you watch the damned podcast lmao 

    "From OP, "You could spend a lifetime analyzing this." "

    Yes, he doesn't make any well structured arguments, giving you a line of reasoning or evidence with which you can pursue your own investigation. He simply rants about 100 different conspiracies, making it so you could analyze it for a lifetime, and never fully invalidate or validate it.

     

    Watch his interview on valuetainment, and the stuff that he said on Logan Paul podcast. Some arguments are not well structured, but a lot of things that he says actually make sense 

    4 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

    Be aware of false equivalencies. From one perspective there can be equivalency, yet from another perspective it is a false equivalency. Conflating the two creates a mess. It is context-dependent. Leo addresses this in his videos "Sameness vs Difference" and "Recontextualization"

    As a simple example: a being pisses in the punch bowl at a wedding. Let's consider context:

    1) A puppy pisses in the punchbowl

    2) A two year old boy pisses in the punchbowl

    3) Drunken Uncle Ted pisses in the punchbowl

    From one perspective, there is equivalency - yet it is context dependent. This equivalency will not necessarily translate to other contexts. We could say the three scenarios are equivalent in the sense that a being pissed in the punchbowl. Yet in another context, it is not equivalent. A puppy pissing in the punchbowl is not equivalent to drunken Uncle Ted pissing in the punchbowl and we would not react the same. For the puppy, we might laugh and put him on a leash. For drunken Uncle Ted we might reprimand him, kick him out of the wedding and send him to an AA meeting. To conflate the equivalency and non-equivalency perspectives would seem ludicrious. One might say "When the puppy did it, you laughed. Yet when Uncle Ted did it, you yelled at him and sent him to an AA meeting! You are a biased hypocrite!!".

    This is an exaggerated example to highlight the point, so it seems silly. Yet people do this all the time. They say things like "we should be open to all ideas". In one context, all ideas are equivalent - in another context all ideas are not equivalent. In the case of Alex Jones - in one context he is not mentally ill, because his reality is equivalent to any other reality. From another relative context, Alex Jones is mentally ill. He is way outside the collective consensus reality. Mixing up these two contexts creates false equivalencies and leads to all sorts of misunderstanding, miscommunication and turmoil. This is super common in society. Watch how often people recontextualize and create false equivalencies - it's all over the place.

    This is not to say that true equivalencies and hypocrites don't exist. If a politician speaks out that extra-marital affairs are immoral and is caught having an extra-marital affair, that is a direct equivalency and he would be considered a hypocrite. It's important to be aware of context, sameness and difference to make these distinctions.

    This is not the case of false equivalency. It is the case of distorted perception. If you would erase everything you "think" you know about him, and just watch his uncut interviews, or uncut footages, and try to see him for who he is without self-bias - you would see that he is not mentally ill. The self-bias runs very deep and this is a good example.

    Do you actually think he was kicked off all social media platforms because he is "dangerous" to society? Of course not lol

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    9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Oh God. Why does Joe allow this shit? He's way too soft on Alex Jones insanity.

    You preach radical open mindedness, yet you repeat the same rhetoric that the MSM does about Alex Jones, because you are unaware of your own self-bias. He may seem "crazy" to you, but a lot of things that he said turned out to be true. It is not as black and white as you make it out to be. 

     

  9. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    20 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    Gurus are typically pretty adamant to avoid developing the same powers as them. They need their devotees to be enamored by the GURUS powers.

    Gurus encourage guru ass kissing. This is made easier by keeping their devotees weak. This is why they cry, beg and whimper at another man's feet. Thats not my style, has never been nor will ever be.

    I think Sadhguru, like many self proclaimed gurus, has wisdom, has a concentrated mind and is a true mystic. I also think that, like many (not all) gurus, he is also full of shit on many things :)

    Imo, you don't understand what Sadhguru is really saying here. His point, is going after those things is a huge distraction (gratification for the ego), and this is like you said, why most people in the occult don't become liberated or reach the highest levels of consciousness. It becomes a huge ego trap. If you think he is full of shit on many things - you clearly are not there to understand it - that's just my opinion and 2 cents. (I have seen a lot of bullshit from other gurus though)

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    On 8/24/2019 at 1:11 AM, whoareyou said:

    -How important is it to realize what is love before entering a romantic relationship? ( total absolute self-acceptance and self-love)

    -What is the difference between "love"  and the intense "in love" feeling that a person experiences towards their partner?

    -Would a person who is totally conscious of what is love, ever feel heartbroken and experience suffering after a breakup? In other words, does this pain only come from attachment or is this totally normal when you actually love somebody?

     

    @Leo Gura Could you please answer these questions or at least address them in your videos? 

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    5 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    A highly evolved person, with the help of meditation and psychedelics, can get a glimpse of a corner of the tip of  infinite iceberg of the absolute truth but nobody will see or understand THE Absolute Truth. Its like the blind men feeling an elephant and trying to describe it. You might feel the hair on the tail but that is not the truth of the elephant.

    Regardless of what the absolute truth is, are you typing on your keyboard? Me talking about the relative truth of you typing on your keyboard is no different than you saying communication with spirits is relative truth. Its true but changes nothing. You're still typing on a keyboard and I still communicate with spirits.

    Your assumption that duality only exists in the physical realm is just an assumption. 

    My point was nuanced here, you don't seem to get it. Weather I am typing on keyboard or not, is irrelevant here. It's not an assumption - there just is no reason for me to assume that it does, until I directly verify it. And even it does, it is only relatively true, because at the end of the day it's all you. (there is no "other" from absolute perspective)

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    10 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    @whoareyou True but irrelevant because EVERYTHING is only relatively true.

    That fact that you are typing on your keyboard is only relatively true. So then, are you really typing on your keyboard?

    Not everything is, there is absolute truth as well. The absolute is the radical non-duality that I am talking about, and so does Leo in his videos for example.

     

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    1 hour ago, Matt8800 said:

    @whoareyou Maybe someone who has never had the direct experience should also take care in not deluding themselves about the experience ;)

    Labels are just words to communicate the experience. There is no way to know for sure what they are but I would tend to listen to opinions of people that have had a lot of experiences in this matter rather than someone who can only speculate about other people's direct experiences. Is that a fair statement?

     

    It's only a fair statement, if those people also are highly awakened.  Unfortunately like you said, majority of them do not transcend their egos.

    You have to remember that even if those things that you mentioned would be true - they would still only be relatively true - because from a non-dual perspective, it's all you, it's all just God playing with itself. (So those entities, spirits, etc that you view as "other" is all you anyways).

    Labels do matter, because a lot of them keep people stuck from having a non-dual realization.

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    5 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    @whoareyou Although I have attempted to acquire 5MEO, I never have. If you are stating that someone can only know truth by experiencing 5MEO, I would consider that cognitive dissonance. What that would really mean is that if someone has not taken 5meo but they agree with you, than they know the truth. If they have not taken 5meo and does not agree with your opinions, they obviously dont know the truth because they havent tried 5meo.

    Although I have done many other psychedelics such as N-DMT many times and have had intense breakthroughs on them, none of them come anywhere close to 5-MEO. It's in it's own category, and that has altered my perspective more than anything else, some others on this forum say the same thing. I never said that it's the only way to know ,but it is by far the most direct and effective way imo. I was curious if you have done, how it changed your perspective.

    5 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    Truthfully, I have no idea what is going on when spirits show up. When I wake up the next morning, my first thought is "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT!?!?" I consider that I may be delusional but our direct experience is all we have to go on.

    This is what I am trying to get to you. It is more honest to say that you don't know, then to make things up about the nature of reality.

    Paranormal exists - but how can you know for sure as for what it is that you experienced, to attach labels of "spirits", "souls", etc? It is a subjective experience - so you have to be careful to not delude yourself. 

     

     

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    6 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    When the Buddha was asked about how reincarnation could be real if there was nothing to reincarnate, he basically said, "dont worry about it". I concede that my early belief, that mirrored your current belief, brought about the resolution of the dark night faster. If one believes that the subjective experience continues after physical death, the ego attempts to redefine itself as eternal, further extending the control of the ego. it wasnt until I was able to transcend the ego that I realized there was more to the story. I spent several years studying and practicing Buddhism. Then I spent several years on Yoga/Vedanta. Then I turned my studies to the energetic traditions, including the Occult. This was the perfect order for me, in my awakening. I have found unique strengths and shortcomings in every tradition I have studied.

    I cant give you evidence because evidence is based in subjective direct experience. If you want it, you need to go get it yourself....as I did. If you dont want to look, than we will just have to agree to disagree.

    It doesnt really matter to me what others believe...just like it matters little to you what I believe. You think you "know" what your subjective conscious experience will end when the body dies but that is just a belief until you die, despite your claims to the contrary. You seem to not realize that many of the questions and objections you pose to me could just as easily be posed to you so did nothing to further your position.

    I dont know how much experience you have had with psychedelics but I would be completely shocked if you have had more experience working with psychedelics than myself lol. 

    The easiest spirits to get to show up simply to prove a point are the wrathful ones. This intention may cause someone to get more than they bargained for. If you still want to try, here are some resources - https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+saftely+summon+a+demon&oq=how+to+saftely+summon+a+demon&aqs=chrome..69i57.6701j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    If you do summon a spirit, it efficacy depends on your emotion, intention and belief. At minimum, temporarily change your belief to "if so many people say its true, maybe it is" until after the ritual. 

     

    I have done a lot of psychedelics, a lot. I asked you specifically, if you have done 5-MEO DMT, as no other psychedelics pales in comparison. Have you smoked 5-MEO DMT, how many times, and have you had full breakthrough experiences with 5-MEO DMT? Please answer this specifically.

    So regarding the success of summoning spirits, you are basically referring to the principles of the law of attraction - you essentially you are manifesting it? 

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    5 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    The concept of the Atman was rejected by the Buddha and accepted by other enlightened masters. People can be enlightened and still disagree. 

    Is it true that non-duality is all that exists at the fundamental level? Yes. Is it true that duality still exists at multiple levels? Yes. I think enlightened people disagree because they are seeing the truth of that particular "level".

    I never said experience is real objectively, nor does it need to be. That does not mean in the least that subjective experience is not real however.

    There is no evidence for for what you say either. All beliefs should be examined, including your own ;)

    I would assume you wouldnt think I did understand enlightenment because you have different beliefs. When one has total equanimity in life through detachment, regardless of what happens and doesnt care whether they live or die, what is that? How can that happen if the ego is still in control?

    Yes, I believe in other realms and spirits because I have experienced them. Before I experienced them moving objects, communicating to me, etc., I didnt believe in them either. Regarding having a non-dual awakening, my first one was over three years ago and Ive had many since.

    My suspicions about reality are informed by my direct experiences. If you want more direct experiences to inform your beliefs, go summon some spirits and see what happens. 

    Whether one accepts or rejects eternal evolution has impact on the direction of their evolution, or lack thereof.

    It is quite possible that the people who you considered to be "enlightened masters" were not actually "enlightened". Also, it doesn't really matter if they were or not, I just brought up Buddha as an example - he rejected something that was a popular belief at his time.

    You are the one that is introducing extra explanatory agents such as "spirits", "souls", etc, not me. So the onus is on you to provide the evidence, understand that? 

    There is a difference between "beliefs" and "knowing". When I go outside and sun is shining and I feel it's warmth, I don't hold a belief about the sun, I have a knowing because of direct experience. My knowing comes from direct experience, and the most important knowledge that I got was from 5-MEO DMT.

    A lot of people claim to experience different things, but that doesn't automatically make it it to be any "true" or "real", you see?

    Have you done 5-MEO DMT before? I don't think that you have. I would be interested to hear your perspective after you have done 5-MEO DMT at least a few times, with full trips.

    Write out a full effective method on how to summon spirits. If what you are saying is true, I should be able to do it and verify it for myself. I am open-minded and open to doing so. Show me the way and I will try, until then - I am not going to adopt any beliefs.

  18. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    47 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    @whoareyou When one reaches enlightenment, there continues to be refinement. What is being refined? (its the Atman, not the ego)

    As you know, the concept of Atman was rejected by Buddha, and is the main difference between Buddhism and Hinduism. Enlightenment is also something that cannot be reached or achieved.

    Ego is simply a false identity that you construct for yourself. Weather it is "atman", or the "soul", it is just another egoic construction. 

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    When people have a near death experience, and the ego structure created by the ape mind falls away, what is continuing to have the subjective experience? Many people assume that there is just duality in the physical realm and all else is non-duality. That is not true. There are multiple realms of duality. I have visited other realms and visited with entities from other duality realms. When you are done with this realm of duality, there is another realm of duality. That does not contradict non-duality just like the duality in the physical realm doesnt contradict non-duality. The exclusion of one over the other is a false dichotomy. Like many spiritual matters, the truth is paradoxical. 

    Merely experiencing something is not equivalent to it being "real" in any objective sense. People are confused about what they experience all the time.

    There is no evidence for the things that you are claiming to be true here - nor is there a known method that allows everyone to confirm what you claim to be true here for themselves.

    To me, this is just a belief that you hold, that has not been examined.

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    Either way, enlightenment is simply knowing the ego is not the doer. There is still evolutionary benefit in allowing the ego to do in accordance to divine will however.

    Based from your posts, I don't think that you actually know what is "enlightenment".

    47 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

    @whoareyou 

    Take a good, stiff dose of DMT, completely dissolve your ego through concentration meditation and see for yourself whats left. There is something that is from a source other than the ego - it is intention. This pure intention points to the Atman. Once the ego is transcended, the ego can be put to work in alignment to this pure intention.

    I have done 5-MEO DMT more than a dozen times with complete breakthroughs to know what you are talking about here is not true.

    When you take N-DMT and see those so called "entities" -  this is just ego-generated storytelling, nothing else. It is just the play of the divine mind - the key is to to learn how to recognize this and let go of the need to create a story and make meaning of your experience. It is all just the active and dynamic play of the mind and ego, separating experienc einto self and other, and overlaying a narrative that is satisfying and gratifying to the ego. That doesn't make it any "real" however.

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    its not just the Occult that posits this - it is Kabbalah, Cha'an, Chi-gong, Taoism, Tantra, some sects of yoga and some sects of Buddhism.

    And so what? Religions are very heavily corrupted by the EGO, and have made a lot of bold claims throughout the history which turned out to be false. While those traditions can be helpful in some aspects, none of them offer a direct(and effective) path to non-dual liberation. 

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    The belief that duality only manifests in the physical realm is just sectarian dogma and assumptions.

    It's not a belief, it's a lack of belief because at the moment there is no way to verify what you are saying is true.

    In fact, from my perspective, it is you who are holding the belief of "other realms", "souls", "spirits", etc

    For somebody who has gone through a non-dual awakening through usage of entheogens such as 5-MEO DMT, what you are saying here is not true.

    Again, I am not discounting the so called "paranormal" events - I am simply rejecting your explanation and your introduction of unnecessary explanatory agents such as "spirits", "souls", "other realms", etc. Those are ultimately figments of human imaginations - but not true in any sense and I reject using those things to explain the nature of reality. A more honest answer would be that you actually don't know.

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    On 8/20/2019 at 6:18 AM, Matt8800 said:

    According to occult philosophy, you are God but you are also simultaneously an individuated conscious entity that is evolving for eternity. Non-duality doesn't mean that duality discontinues its manifestation. When that individuated awareness is no longer focusing its awareness through a human body (physical death), than it focuses its awareness somewhere else beyond the human body. The subjective experience continues unbroken. The individuated being continues to get closer to merging with the One but never quite does fully imo. Kind of like dividing distance in half for eternity. 

     

    This doesn't sound like non-duality to me. "Individuated conscious entity" would be the same as individual soul or EGO. 

    For someone who has gone through the process of non-dual awakening, this is a clear illusion to me.

    I can see why people in the occult would not go all the way to dissolve the ego - because their philosophy alone is a trap (if it's the way that you write here) and is full of egoic projections.

    I am not rejecting the paranormal experiences that you are describing though - I have experienced some things to have an idea of what is possible.

    The question is, what is the actual explanation for the things you are describing? (that is free of egoic projections).

     

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    15 minutes ago, Corpus said:

    Putting the product on ash then hitting it with a lighters' flame will burn the product and give no effect.

    Certainly with NN DMT, the effect of sustained SSRI use will cause a much diminished effect and it is probable that the same will occur with 5 Meo.

    I also disagree with Leo that 5mg will result in feeling nothing (I refer to non-users of SSRIs); 5mg vaporized properly (freebase- easily done on foil) I guarantee will be an ego-wrestling experience if the product isn't bunk.

    Some of the dosing advice here on actualized.org is really questionable; those few users who really are adept with 5 Meo advise elevating the dosage by 0.5-1mg when trying to find ones sweetspot when vaporizing. Bear in mind that 5 Meo is 5-6 times more potent than NN DMT and only a fool would advise upping the dose of DMT by 30mg (which is akin to advising "add 5mgs 5 Meo, maan') if the user didn't feel satisfied with the hit they had.

     

    This stuff is viciously potent, needs immense respect and horror stories do abound of users experiences who have not had such an approach. One should first work on perfecting ones vaping technique before escalating the dosage, so you have your own gold-standard to gauge your dosing by.

     

      

    I agree with you that if it's properly vaporized, you will feel A LOT with 5mg, it's even possible to have a breakthrough.

     

  24. Posted

    -How important is it to realize what is love before entering a romantic relationship? ( total absolute self-acceptance and self-love)

    -What is the difference between "love"  and the intense "in love" feeling that a person experiences towards their partner?

    -Would a person who is totally conscious of what is love, ever feel heartbroken and experience suffering after a breakup? In other words, does this pain only come from attachment or is this totally normal when you actually love somebody?

     

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    4 minutes ago, winterknight said:

    I’ve tripped, I’ve talked to people who’ve tripped, I have extensive spiritual and psychological practice, and have studied philosophy and psychology for more than 20 years. It’s enough to understand that consuming a chemical, however wondrous,  cannot substitute for interpersonal, symbolic relationship-and perspectival-restructuring that necessarily happens over time. 

    Psychedelics can be useful, but they have their limits.

    It all depends on how you use the psychedelics. Unfortunately majority of people don't know how to get the maximum out of psychedelics or how to even trip properly. Have you tried doing things like self-inquiry while tripping? Have you also done any energetic work while on psychedelics?