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  1. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Worshiping is a dangerous path. I would like to see Mooji discouraging it.

    As for exorcisms, that's a standard spiritual practice. If you do lots of shamanic breathing / Holotropic breathing you will understand what exorcism means.

    There are two problems happening here simultaneously:

    1) Worshiping and cult dynamics truly are dangerous and can easily get out of hand.

    2) Spirituality is very deep and complex, and to an outsider or "normie", legit spiritual teachings, techniques, and behaviors can seen insane and even criminal when really they aren't. For example, it's true that Mooji is God. But so is everyone who's worshiping him.

    It seems like some of the stuff Mooji is doing is unhealthy. Yet at the same time it's probably healthier than what mainstream society is doing. So it's never black & white, as with Osho's ashram. A large ashram will have a lot of political games going on because it's like a small society. Running a small society is very thorny.

    You also have to take into account that some of the people who come to him for help are deeply troubled. They might already be suicidal, depressed, or in deep suffering. So you can't just blame all that on Mooji.

    You did not read the article in it's entirety. It was an in depth research done by an outstanding investigative journalist.

    The fact that you are defending Mooji is very troubling. You can't be this naive right? What he is doing is much more than "unhealthy".

    Here are very important things that you missed:

    - Abusing his position to have sex with his students (and cheating on his partners while having sex with them)

    -Using abusive tactics such as shaming, humiliating, controlling behavior, pairing and breaking up couples, brainwashing/ mind control, coercing people from leaving,etc

    - If he was congruent with who he portrays himself to be on public videos, his followers would not refer to him as “my Lord,” “my Master” and “my Father.” Regularly kiss his “holy” feet and bowing to him would not be an accepted form of behavior in his ashram.  The fact that he doesn't discourage this behavior is a very red flag alone. Given the context, this plays a huge significance which you fail to see.

    - Smuggling over €200,000 of unreported cash, and having his followers smuggle money for him - another red flag

    -Sells “Sahaja Dust” labeled as “earth Mooji may have walked on.” It’s dirt from their retreat center. Mala beads blessed by Mooji sell for up to 25 Euros. Pictures of Mooji’s feet sell for 1.5 Euros. And he sells blankets that he has personally used.

    - People walk around on eggshells fearing him and wanting to outdo others to show how devoted they are.

     

    There is a lot more, this is just the appetizer. 

  2. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    https://gurumag.com/becoming-god-inside-moojis-portugal-cult/

     

    Do not be sheep people. Too many of you here blindly follow and worship Gurus. (including LEO).

     

    For those too lazy to read, here are some important things from the article written by an investigative journalist:

    - Abuses his position to have sex with his students (and cheating on his partners while having sex with them)

    -Using abusive tactics such as shaming, humiliating, controlling behavior, pairing and breaking up couples, brainwashing/ mind control, coercing people from leaving, gaslighting, etc

    -His followers refer to him as “my Lord,” “my Master” and “my Father.” Regularly kiss his “holy” feet and bowing to him. 

    - Smuggling over €200,000 of unreported cash, and having his followers smuggle money for him - another red flag

    -Sells “Sahaja Dust” labeled as “earth Mooji may have walked on.” It’s dirt from their retreat center. Mala beads blessed by Mooji sell for up to 25 Euros. Pictures of Mooji’s feet sell for 1.5 Euros. And he sells blankets that he has personally used.

    - People walk around on eggshells fearing him and wanting to outdo others to show how devoted they are.

     

    Videos alone are enough of evidence to see the insanity that is going. There is a lot more, this is just the appetizer.  Consider this as a good case study, to not end up following somebody like that.

  3. Posted

    2 hours ago, Thetruthseeker said:

    Thanks for your reply. 

    Yeah I do love her. And it feels enough for me to just have sex with her. I don’t see it as ‘selfish’ just because I don’t want her to have sex with anyone else whilst we’re together. 

    I believe there’s a special connection you could develop that doesn’t have to be shared. 

    There are lots of monogamous couples that go to burning man. It’s seems a choice not a must for stage green I think 

    Thanks for the thoughts though. 

     

    What you refer to "love", usually is ego attachment, majority of people don't know what "love" is, and I doubt you do either.

    Here is a quote from you which confirms this:

    "And the thought of watching a friend have sex with her honestly makes me feel a bit sick. I can’t think of a worse situation "

    There is nothing wrong with preferring exclusivity and a monogamous relationship - but only if it's done as a conscious choice and not an egoic attachment. 

  4. Posted

    4 hours ago, Shaun said:

    The darkest truth of all is that you will experience EVERYTHING. Every lottery win, newborn baby, first kiss. You will also know what it's like to die from cancer, murder people and suffocate to death in a coal mine collapse having mined coal your entire life. Nobody will even know who you were. Even if you do awaken, the cycle will be started again right from the beginning. There is no escape.

    This is a belief, you can't possibly know this to be true. Don't take anything blindly what someone says, even from Leo

  6. Posted

    @Knock You are missing the point of what "Pick Up" actually is.

    Pick up is a tool and it is up to you, how you would apply that tool. You can use that tool consciously and unconsciously, for egoic purposes for which you described. A lot of people are unconscious, this is why you see a lot of the things that you mentioned.

    Inherently there is nothing wrong with Pick Up. There are also different pickup schools out there, and they are certainly different.

  7. Posted

    @SageModeAustin You did absolutely nothing wrong by bringing up RSD or bringing her on the tour. That is not a deal breaker in any way.

    The deal breakers are:

    Neediness, insecurities, not being confident, and not fucking her well.

    If you were:

    A confident, grounded, congruent, dominant, and sexy man - she would not go anywhere, even if you brought up RSD 100 times.

    Work on becoming that man and don't try to hide who you are.

  8. Posted

    10 hours ago, SQAAD said:

    @whoareyou

    I have great relationships with people and i attact women. You project a lot of stuff buddy. 

    I don't know anyone who becomes enlightned through sexual practices.

    Is it extremely difficult to do so. Your mind will be thinking about them sugar walls all the time .

    Even the most hardcore monks have said it that if you are super serious about this you can't mess around fking women. I can't find a quote now but i even think Dalai Lama said " i don't know anyone who becomes liberated through these sexual practices".

    Anyways i guess it is possible but since i have tasted sugar walls before i know how much attached i become.

    Obviously noone wants give up sex because they are chimps so they are trying to find spiritual ways to have their sexual apetites fullfilled. 

    With your logic all these monks who are celibate they just can't form relationships with women so this is why they become celibate lol.

    Just because you have great relationships with people and have the ability to attract women, doesn't mean anything. Deep, fullfilling, intimate relationships with women are a different level and that requires a lot of work on yourself. 

    1) How do you know if "hardcore monks"or Dalali Lama are right? Would you just take their forth blindly without finding out yourself? How do you even know they are enlightened?

    2) Being a monk is not the only way to liberation, yet some you think it is the only way. 

    3) enlightenment is nothing something you can achieve or attain in the future moment. It is not something that you have to chase. Why are you trying to pursue something that you have no idea about? 

    You have adopted a beliefs about what "enlightenment" is and  that if you have sex - you will never become enlightened. I suggest to really investigate those.

  9. Posted

    5 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

    Lose that spiritual identity! Throw it in the trash!

    What do you want Mandy? Seriously, ask yourself: what do I want? I'm pretty sure the answer is: I want to feel good.

    Your spiritual identity is blocking you from feeling good. Why do you want to be spiritual? Whatever makes you feel bad is an illusion.

    @mandyjw @Truth Addict This +1000, could not have said it any better.

  10. Posted

    25 minutes ago, Emerald said:

    So, probably just totally overlook the more obvious reason that you'd be able to see much more clearly if you weren't so learn-ed about what women want and don't want. Like I said, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck... then it probably is just a really weird goose with a vocal chord problem. Sounds like a good bet. 

    Also, can you point out the neediness in the text? I literally cannot see it. It just seems like a normal text. Like, he's not writing huge paragraphs or saying anything weird. What are you picking up on, that I am not. And I know what neediness in a man looks like. It's really uncomfortable to be on the receiving end of it. And this would not ping on my radar as needy, AT ALL.

    Now, if his vibe is needy in person, that's a different story. But none of that's conveyed in the text. Seems pretty normal.

    I think it's one of those situations like women who think men are not going to be attracted to them because of some small flaw that no man would notice. And they notice it on other women too. For example... imperfect eyebrows. 

    This text is the imperfect eyebrows of texts. Women aren't going to notice anything weird about it. But men are somehow hyper-tuned into it because they've learned to hyper-focus on neediness because of what they've learned and been empowered by. So, everything looks like a nail when you only have a hammer.

    If any ladies on the forum can help me out here, I'd appreciate it because the guys here are really not believing what I'm saying. What would your impression be if you were FWB with a guy and he took you to an RSD event? Would you think he was interested in anything serious? Also, do you see anything needy about the OP's text?

    Also, do you think the OP's girlfriend went cold because of the neediness conveyed in the text (and presumably out) or because the guy brought her to an RSD event and didn't make it clear that he's interested in her? Or perhaps some other reason like just wanting an FWB and not anything more serious? 

     

    She didn't went cold on him because of just neediness in the text. Neediness in the text is the byproduct of his overall neediness. If he is needy in person with her, he will also be needy in text.

    His first text + her 2 responses: You can clearly see that in the previous texts he went needy in texting, waiting for her to respond, that she had point to him out why she didn't respond.

    2nd text: He is supplicating to her.

    4th text: He is supplicating to her.

    I can feel the overall vibe of the texts based on what he wrote in the thread. To those that don't get it, it will be very hard to explain to, just like trying to explain non-duality to a person who never had a glimpse. Because you never been in that situation before and never will (you are a woman), it will be very hard for you to fully understand this.

    When I saw the pictures, I wasn't particular focused on "neediness". I read the texts and without giving it any thought, that was the vibe that I felt immediately. It's like a clear knowing.

  11. Posted

    @flowboy @Emerald I totally agree with flowboy, and can see even the neediness even in texts. How? Because at one point in my life I was that guy, and only the people who have been that needy guy can see this crystal clear. 3/4 of his texts convey neediness/supplication and that is the reason why that woman lost interest in him.

    To OP, I recommend to read the book "The Way of Superior Man" by David Deida.

  12. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    10 hours ago, Nahm said:

    The attachment issue, is with beliefs, like this one. 

    Get attached then, get your heart broken. Carry on the path. Understand. 

    Avoidance is pause. 

    This! OP, you sound like you are attached to beliefs - which make up your self image of being a "spiritual person". Being celibate is not a requirement for liberation.

    Read some books on tantric and taoist sexual practices first.

    Get this area of life handled. Learn how to attract women, and how to build relationships. It is very common for people like you to do what is called spiritual bypassing.

    For majority of people, there is a lot more growth experienced in relationships than when they are alone.

  13. Posted

    13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Tell that to Elliot Hulse.

    Being a gym rat aligns well with MGTOW and RedPill.

    Gym rats are not exactly the most evolved males of our species. Very chimp-like they tend to be.

    Stage Orange guys tend to be into hyper-macho self-images which of course means hitting the gym, bro. It's a phase, bro.

    It is still certainly possible to do consciousness work and go to the gym. The gym itself could be a form of meditation, no? As long as the reason you are going to the gym is because you enjoy the process, and not due to macho self-image.

  14. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    14 minutes ago, Bill W said:

    I'm not disagreeing with this but the thing that interests me is that surely a lot of direct experience still relies on an interpretation being made by the person having the direct experience. The person having the direct experience will choose what that direct experience actually means. So it's fascinating to me how people having direct experience account for personal bias when formulating the 'truth' from that direct experience. 

    I agree with you, this is why I said that the religious beliefs would have to be dropped, as they get in the way of directly experiencing the truth. The personal bias and interpretation would come in from existing beliefs and the truth would not be known.

    The "truth" can only be pointed at. And if communicated at all, should be as direct as it possibly can be.

     

  15. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    @Truth Addict You are overthinking it. Direct experience is the only way to know the truth. Ironically enough, the beliefs that many religious/spiritual folks hold, is what keeps them from directly experiencing the truth. This is what I meant, keep it simple.

    @mandyjw You have used the word "disgusting" twice already and that is your own projection. I don't feel any "disgust". I treat your "religion" just like any other belief system out there. I could care less weather it's Christianity, New Age, or Scientific Materialism - there is very little difference and all are part of the same issue.

    As LEO pointed out, the ego creates a lot of justifications and excuses, to not let go of attachments. 

  16. Posted

    @mandyjw You are not understanding the difference between direct experience and a belief. And you are using "love" to justify your attachment to a particular religion. Non-duality is not about beliefs, but exact opposite - a direct experience. As much as you want it to be, non-duality is not compatible with religion.

    If fact, if non-duality is not applied correctly, it can easily turn into a religion.

    Before you write another response, contemplate the following:

    1) What is a direct experience?

    2) What is a belief?

    3) What is the difference between direct experience and belief?

    4) What makes something a religion? How was religion created?

    5) What is the difference between non-duality and religion?

    6) Are you willing to let go of your attachments to Christianity, in pursuit of truth?

  17. Posted

    1 hour ago, mandyjw said:

    I see it in myself, I see it in you, I'm your mirror. I tried to be good and I tried to be God but the love I found in my heart for the devil awoke me on my 666th post. What else can I do to survive but go back in my past child self and find Jesus? The psychedelic I needed was Jesus and yours were literal. Don't tell me that my psychedelic is evil, after all it's just a path for experiencing love and oneness. 

    A belief system is exact opposite of a psychedelic. The actual path is about subtracting, not adding. Until you fully let go of those things, you will not be able to have a true awakening Mandy.

  18. Posted

    33 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

    @now is forever I like to play dress up with my religions and identities. Just because I was born naked doesn't mean that I can't enjoy wearing pretty things. 

    Religion and spirituality is for the EGOs. Once you have a real awakening, the desire to be religious or spiritual will disappear on it's own. If Jesus was alive today, he certainly wouldn't be a Christian.

     

  22. Posted · Edited by whoareyou

    23 hours ago, andyjohnsonman said:

    I think the fact that i'm moving into spiral dynamics stage green as before was in orange might also play a part in this. I see women now as equal and basically the same as men.

    This is the problem. Men and women are not the same, and never will be. Things like this cause sexual dysfunctions for many men. I recommend to read the book "The way of superior man" by David Deida. Work on developing your masculine edge, read this article here:

    https://www.jordangrayconsulting.com/develop-your-masculine-edge-9-steps-to-becoming-a-beast/

  23. Posted

    There is no need to feel guilt, as there is nothing that you "should" do in life. Try dropping the idea of having spiritual practices, and instead focus on becoming more conscious throughout your regular everyday life.  In order to become more conscious, a lot of spiritual concepts and beliefs would also have to be dropped.

    Over the years, I have seen too many people get caught up in theoretical concepts here - instead of living their life.