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@zazen Israel asked them to evacuade to the south where there they HAVE water.
And until then they can definitly buy along the way. Dont be so black and white. Its a complex thing you are not in a well organized temple of moral right now this is not realistic.
Dont judge israel so fast without learning its strategy.
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10 minutes ago, StarStruck said:Hamas is so stupid that they played in the hand of Bibi. That is why I said from day 1 that this surprise attack doesn’t make sense while Israel has the best intel in the world and Hamas on of the lowest IQ in the world. He allowed it so he could use it to unite Israel. This is a classic tactic.
I don't believe bibi would do such a deliberate thing like that. He is capable of many things but this sounds too far. But he indeed has an interest to keep hamas strong so he did it indirectly.
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19 minutes ago, StarStruck said:Governments think very different than you and me. They see the world as a great chess board and there is no morality in chess.
It depends on the person in charge.
For bibi thats maybe true. But he is not the only one who decide now because during the war the cabinet is the responsible and all its members have the same power.
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44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:Destroying that many residential buildings itself starts to feel like a war crime. 1 million people will be left homeless, jobless, schoolless, mosqueless.
Total humanitarian disaster.
How many terrorists will this create?
Ok i understand.
So maybe it is somehow selective to buildings that serves hamas directly or indirectly. Maybe. I hope. I dont know.
What i do know is that the air strikes this time are far more broad than in any operation israel did in the past and part of that is to neutralize hamas's traps he putted all over gaza.
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@Breakingthewall Yes this is literally about changing the landscape of gaza.
So now they left to the south.
Where all those civilians will live? Good question. I think the international community will have to be responsible for them too from now on if they are so important to them. Israel doesnt want to be their babysitter anymore.
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@zazen Israel is destroying buildings (with NO civilians who were asked to leave) to neutralize the maze of horror hamas built to the day israeli soldiers will get there. Its a land of traps hamas built.
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@zazen I want to show you an another perspective to consider:
The six-days war as a self defense operation:
https://israelforever.org/interact/blog/international_right_self_defense_six_day_war/
See how bigger the enemies army is in comparison to Israel, which made an existential threat on israel in yom kippur war.
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@lina send me a link to where bibi says he target civilians and than we can talk.
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1 hour ago, lina said:@Nivsch no justifications for war crimes. please watch the video that I shared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNqilIwiqAM&ab_channel=DoubleDownNe
I saw it now. There is problems with the settlements in the west bank and I have a lot of criticism on the right-wing actions.
Still, the person in this video is highly biased.
I lost him after he said "This even more severe than what hamas did" and "Israel is deliberately target civilans" which is a 100% biased low quality unnuanced crap.
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16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:But there is the question of how to go about reaching those goals. Going on a wild rampage is going to be counter-productive to Israel and the US. It has to be done carefully, with moderation.
Hamas has to be destroyed but with minimal damage to innocents and I want to believe Israel do its best.
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@lina This is a very complex situation. Israel must put pressure on hamas to return the captives.
Yes, there is a cost to that in humen lives in gaza but look how hard the situation is.
Also think about how hamas is brutal to gaza's civilians in day to day life and the poverty they live in anyway because of hamas.
In order to the long term to be better even for gaza's civilians, they are costs to pay in the short run.
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3 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:I wish we could all just hold our consciousness together to make it all stop. Instead we are forced to witness reality at its worst, in every way.
Hamas installed traps all over gaza to wait for israeli soldiers. without destroying buildings, hundreds of Israeli soldiers will die for nothing. Remind you that there are NO civilians in those buildings after IDF asked them to live.
Please take this perspective also into accout and don't be so biased.
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@lina The process of Israel establishment wasn't at all "A massacre Israel did" but a complicated dynamic which in both sides did things one to another that ended up in Israel establishment.
Without force, Israel couldn't exist at all given the language our neigborhood understands.
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@lina I'm sorry for what you are feeling and I think that as long as hamas control gaza, the civilians there will keep suffering from hamas directly and from the consequences of his actions.
I hope that after hamas will be eliminated during the next few months, gaza civilians will get another leadership which is relatively moderate like the palestinian authority in the west bank or maybe even better the egyptian leadership, or a combination of both.
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On 13.10.2023 at 0:37 AM, Leo Gura said:I would do an invasion to take out Hamas but not do so much air bombing. I don't think the air bombing is that effective for taking out Hamas and will radicalize too many Palestinians in the future.
Hamas has trapped so many roads and buildings in gaza to become his fortrees in case that Israel will try to go there. Without heavily destroying them from the air first, Israel will lost a huge amount of soldiers lives for nothing.
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@Karmadhi Please see also what Lila wrote. Israel actually takes care and hospitalized the terrorists it catches including from the last event! Also they have great condition in the prison they can even get a degree.
Many israelis complain that Israel is TOO humanic to them. This is an extremely common conversation here.
Yes this is true that the occupation of the west bank and the friction with the palestines IS corrupting.
But please be nuanced. Israel is much much more complicated than you think.
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@Karmadhi Israel actually warn civilians and tell them to evacuade, but hamas stress them to not evacuade. Hamas wants them to be its own human sheild so when they will die, hamas will use this to show it to the world.
This is how toxic hamas is and this is who we are dealing with. Unfortunately in this situation its impossible to not harm anybody who is innocent but I agree we have to do the maximum effort to fight selectively as we can, but in the other hand Israel doesnt have the privilage to not deactivate this organization.
After this trauma, without deep response from Israel and without a real game change in the region, Psychological changes in Israelis minds and the nations around us might put a serious danger to Israel chances to still exist.
Now this is really a no choice war.
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19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:Because Zionists want to grab all that land for themselves.
This is really only the far right wing here who wants that.
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@Ajay0 This is not how it works in my opinion. Actually Saudi Arabia will (even subconsciously) respect Israel much more if Israel will fight hamas seriously this time. Part of the reason the Israeli-Saudi relationships are warming up is BECAUSE Saudi sees Israel as a strong enough player who can restrain Iran desire for power which is a big threat for Saudi Arabia too.
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6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:It's pretty simple why terrorism is done: because your enemy's military is impossible to defeat in conventional warfare.
Paragliders vs F-35s. It's like Ewoks fighting stormtroopers.
But they treat their own people very similarly!
Their mentality / value system is, in my opinion, the main factor.
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7 minutes ago, Vrubel said:Overconfidence and a general atmosphere of lack of deterrence due to the current Israeli government being filled with incompetent, divisive and extremist politicians. Arabs could sense the vibe of deteriorating order in their bones.
Agree. The current government we have is a hugh problem.
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1 hour ago, Nabd said:Its really funny that the more "religious" a community is, the more atheistic actions they take.
Muslims making fun of captured civilians and being genuinely happy about other moms losing their kids in a rave literally indicate that they don't believe in shit, they dont believe in god or whatever, its just monke behavior.
I think this is has to do with where they are found within the Healthy-Unhealthy spectrum of their stage.
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@PurpleTree which will probably change their state but not their stage and their relation to another women
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1 hour ago, Raze said:It’s depraved that it’s considered normal to have a party by the fence of a massive open air prison where Israel holds over 1 million children captive. Just 5 years earlier at the same fence the Palestinians staged a protest where Israel killed over 200 of them, and independent analysis found of nearly 500 incidents of killing or injury by Israel only 2 were justifiable self defense.
Ultimately you can’t torture a population, destroy and block every peaceful means they have of reproach, and expect them to not lash out in violent ways.
But we left gaza state in 2005 fully to hamas. Dont you think they have to take responsibility of this area and their citizens?

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@Breakingthewall Do you have a better alternative to how to eliminate hamas?
I am asking seriously. Not to argue.