The Blind Sage

@Leo Gura Sorry, missed your reply. I understand completely and respect your position sir. The issue I take is with you throwing labels like 'a pure waste of time'. For those that want a genuine spiritual process but have other priorities such life purpose/career or dating & relationships, this is an excellent practice. I haven't seen another practice that has all of the following: 1. High potency 2. High ceiling 3. Low time investment I understand where you're coming from but I think you have more influence than you realize, you're likely to deter someone who would benefit greatly from this program with casual flippancy. Think back to when you were dropping videos about meditation such as 'do nothing' or other similar practices. This practice is far more bang for your buck and has it's place in ones personal development, even if they may eventually graduate from it. It doesn't make sense for you to condemn an undergraduate course just because you yourself hold a masters degree. Many others will benefit from it, some of them will remain there, some of them will get to where you are, and who knows, some of them may even surpass you...

@Globalcollective I assume Leo is blackpill in the sense of; you will never become as conscious as someone like Sadhguru or Ralston by doing the practices they teach, that's a result of their freak genetics.

@enchantedThe quote is from the "Sadhguru on Dr k" thread. I think you might find it useful. From my personal experience, I can say with conviction that Shambhavi is not a joke - it's not as sophisticated as the kriyas you will learn from the textbook on the booklist, but it's still highly potent. My experience varies day to day, certain days when I open my eyes after the kriya I think 'wtf just happened?' Because after several years it's gotten to the point where it's occasionally implosive, I can feel my mind being rewired through it. For the 1st 6 months I barely felt a tingle in my 3rd eye area. These days during a good session (happens at least 1x per week) it feels like all the attention across my body is being sucked into the point between my eyebrows like a magnet - implosive. And despite this, I feel the ceiling for this practice is still far beyond the horizon. If you commit to learning to execute the kriyas with perfect precision, you'll eventually experience what I speak of, I can't guarantee how long it'll take you, could be shorter, could be longer (took a few years for me). Each time you perform a kriya, be like an athlete training for competition, refining and sharpening his skill to the millimeter. TLDR - The course is worth it 100%. Skipping it and go straight to similar schools that's mentioned on the booklist is a valid option for many, but I still recommend it because of how much value its given me. If you have other priorities in your life besides spiritual growth that need tending such as your life purpose/career or dating & relationships but still want to include a legitimate spiritual process in your life, this is the perfect practice imo. High potentcy, high ceiling and low time investment (30 minutes per session). The hatha yoga programs from Isha on the other hand are next level. It's like the mahamudra practice (from the booklist) but on steroids. For me, this is the most valuable thing at Isha - the Hatha yoga, do not underestimate it. Read the last paragraph from my quote for a little more detail.

@Leo Gura Completely agree on your previous criticisms of Sadhguru (refusing to acknowledge that he's a freak leading to false expectations, arrogance, etc) However, hard disagree with your take on the inner engineering program. From what I remember in previous discussions, you only took the preliminary IE-Online, and did not complete the IE-Completion - the in-person 2nd half of the course where they teach the actual practice Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya I'd happily concede that the online lectures (whatever you listened to in IE-online) are for normies, even if I personally found value in them. But to say that the entire program is 'a pure waste of time' is quite disappointing when you haven't even learned the kriya, the piece that's equal to 80/90% of the courses value Now, if I'm mistaken, and you have in fact learned the kriya; I'd genuinely like to know - why did you find it a pure waste of time? It's given me and others tangible results and is far more potent than your average awareness paths like vipassana, vedanta, etc. Especially considering that you yourself are an advocate of kriya yoga Leo. In fact, what actually led me to take the program in the first place was that I was getting inconsistent results from JC stevens book. It's been 6 years since and the only reason I've taken more programs is because they've worked so well. Which is why I'm surprised at your take To be clear, I have gratitude towards Sadhguru because he's empowered me in a profound way, how could I not be grateful for that? But make no mistake, I have no loyalty. This work is about me and my growth, nothing else, certainly not another person or an organization. Should we ever discover immoral acts such as financial/sexual/etc abuse I'd have no qualms in publicly condemning him. But, I'd be a fool to dismiss the practices For context, it wouldn't surprise me if I left Ishas methods someday for something like ryan kurczaks lineage. But for now, I still feel the alignment so we shall see. However, I seriously doubt I'll ever stop practicing Hatha Yoga taught at Isha, it's fucking incredible. Most people are not capable of serious kriya yoga, or any other meditative process for that matter. They just don't have the bodies capable for it (myself included to a large extent, though Im actively working on it). This is what authentic hatha yoga does, it builds the fundamental integrity & malleability of the energy body so that when you do attempt kriya yoga you'll see results

Hey there @Leo Gura Just wanted to inform you that the videos in the LP courses can't be accessed at the moment (see image) I tried to inform you via DM you but I can't send you an attachment unless it's from a URL Cheers

Iirc theres some interviews on yt about how the producers of that movie essentially mutilated the project + defiled his creative integrity

@Leo Gura The slideshow you posted is incredibly useful. There's plenty of topics you've previously covered that will take decades to deepen my understanding of...I used to go back and skim through the content to review. It didn't work very well because the lectures are so long, you either end up skipping important parts or speeding up the video so much you don't process it very well. I ended up making my own notes Having the notes you make your talks off of for all episodes would be amazing

Which...can be done through therapy?? I don't get the criticism, why is it bs?

This forum certainly isn't a cult, but any community is guaranteed at least some aspects of group think. One of Leos most underrated series is the one on cult psychology, highly recommend you listen to those, but for someone new to the channel maybe don't start with that 1. Deconstructing Science & various other epistemology videos: Mixed playlist of my favourite videos-https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWq2PmY0jhcpCShDDL_H4D3CDdw4Y9DXm 2.Developmental Psychology Spiral dynamics playlist-https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWq2PmY0jhcpz1T8_HCUrhuw0mRp1z7Aq 9 Stages of Ego Development playlist-https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWq2PmY0jhcoNIKRajYfmHfvJHBGJUEKa This video would have all the answers to this question + more:

@Elton It's delayed because he has health problems: In the meantime there's plenty of stuff you can do. Check out his booklist for info on subconscious mind reprogramming

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It's certainly limited, but all lenses are not the same, it would be foolish to think so. This particular lens is particularly useful, since it allows you to make sense of the bigger picture of human development on a societal level and an individual level and an astoundingly clear way. Notice the word useful, meaning it's value is relative to how well you can apply it and make sense of things. He's pointed out its limitations plenty. When he uses the model he's not going to keep repeating it's limits each time he does it, that's on you to fill in the gaps and contemplate... I hope your your view of SD is not based on Leos videos alone, that series is just the tip of the iceberg. There are books on applying SD to geopolitics as well as the SD book itself. Not to mention, other developmental psychology models exist as well

Ben Patrick had multiple knee surgeries and was told he would never be able to compete in his sport again (basketball) by his doctors. He took matters into his own hands and studied knee mechanics to rebuild his knee joints. Unfortunately, the natural sciences aren't the only fields riddled with dogma. Sports science stigmatized knee movements that involved knees moving over the toes. Several decades ago they found that such movements cause extra pressure in the knee joint. And although this is true, the consensus about it's implication was wrong. It was believed that it would erode the knee, but in fact it was the opposite. Safely doing such movements would cause adaptations that actually strengthened the knee joint. After discovering this, he's mastered knee health, explosiveness & longevity, helping a lot of people with knee issues (including me) regain their athleticism. Awesome bloke. Check out the full podcast on JRE: And also some valid limitations of his work from a sports scientist:

You wont learn any proper techniques from Sadhguru online, you'd have to take an in-person program for that. Might as well use Sam Harris's app His books vary in quality. Some of them are bad, just rehashes of his talks on youtube. A few of them are pretty good, most notably "Karma, a yogis guide to crafting your destiny"

Yes, he absolutely has. Yoga in the studios is not yoga lol...It's exercise. And not even effective exercise if you ask me. If you're looking for physical health I can't see studio yoga being better than lifting, pilates, mobility training, plyometrics, cardio etc. I guess it'd be ok for mobility but even then, if you're an athlete its such an inefficient way to train theres much better stuff today. It's got bastardized sprinkles of authentic stuff in there like a few minutes of nostril breathing, maybe some chanting, maybe one asana in the sequence is accurate but even then, asanas need enormous levels of attention to refine your energy system, they don't just work because you've assumed the posture. It's adulterated stage orange/green trash, it's got nothing to do with genuine spirituality and mysticism. It's just a facade. Also, you can't compare a meditation from an app to kriya yoga lol, they're of a completely different level of sophistication: Don't get me wrong, there are other organizations that offer potent kriya yoga, but none of them even come close to the level of impact Isha has imo. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Dismiss Sadhguru all you want, it wont ultimately wont matter, this work is about you, not him. But to dismiss the practices, you'd have to be a fool/ignorant.