Thetruthseeker

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    Apologies if Leo has already mentioned this, its just i've had a couple of thoughts on whether spiral dynamics is a strange loop from these 2 examples 

     

    1 - I follow Aubrey Marcus, he talks about Psychedelics, he seems pretty evolved to me. But a lot of his content feels very 'tribal'. He talks a lot about the 'warrior within' and his breath-work and mediation exercises feel very tribal. And his retreats look like they have that tribal feel with the way they dress and their rituals they do etc. 

    Just wondering if you can get to the higher stages like glimpses of turquoise and it feels like going back to our inherent stage purple self? 

    Another funny example of wondering if its a strange loop is just watching Sadhguru. In talks he's so 'childlike' at times. Again, its like that concept of being so evolved through the spiral that you actually end up going back to how un-evolved you were as a child. It's like you go through all those stages and the entire spiral, just to return to what we were naturally at before we did any development? 

    Thanks! 

  11. Posted

    I’ve seen Gary live in london and against loads of very typical stage orange speakers there was definitely a difference. 
    he can’t fully leave orange cos of his identity and his business life... 

    he can’t and won’t fully enter green I don’t think. He’s said he’s contemplated things like meditation but doesn’t want to meditate because he ‘doesn’t want to mess with it’ which I understand in a way 

    but he leads with some empathy, kindness, compassion and a feeling of authenticity is his talks. 

    a typical Orange for me would be russell Brunson and grant cardone. 
    To me, Gary has a different feel to them people 

    i would say 

    65% orange 

    25% green 

    10% yellow 

  13. Posted

    @Bando 
    Yeah I get that position of going into something for free, and being a lead magnet type training... but this set up felt different 

    we had already bought the ‘virtual coach’ 2K programme. And this was our 3 day summit conference graduation meeting, where we got together and had more bonus content (worth $997) as part of the programme 

    then at least half of these 3 days were just upsells to his latest virtual coach accelerator that was strategically sprung on day 2, and you had to sign up by day 3 to get access. There was no mention of it, he brought in dean grazisio, jeff walker, we heard for 1 hour of all the virtual coach accelerator alumni ... it just went on and on and on. 
     

    then everyone who couldn’t afford the 12.5k programme (15k on an 8 month payment plan) went into A different group on day 3, where then sold to again on a different programme. Which was just paying to meet on live group calls for a year, which was 2K 

    I don’t know... the whole 3 day summit was meant to be a valuable event included for us who already paid 2K. It was 10% full of valuable info - but really was just a massive sneaky feeling upsell event. 

    It felt like he was squeezing every last juice drop of cash out of it for little value 

    and he didn’t need to do it. We already trusted him. Why not just do a great valuable 3 day conference and invite us in the last hour if we wanted to go further? 
     

    but then again some people were disappointed like me, but most were lapping it up. It’s just sad how it’s ridiculously easy it is to manipulate the masses and herd. 
     

    if I want to make money I could just follow what eben did, but it wouldn’t feel right. So I’m going to go down a longer road but keep my integrity 

  14. Posted

    I've been thinking of this and just how important trust is in marketing, and how easy It is to lose. 

    I feel like I trust @Leo Gura the most when it comes to online coaches and I've been trying to work out why...If Leo brought out a course tomorrow, it's an instant buy. He wouldn't need to push sales 

    I think its because even though Leo has an online course, he was still willing to put out content like 'The problem with marketing' 

    This must have felt counterintuitive to put out a video like that, when he has an online course to sell. But the willingness and authenticity to be talk about the truth on marketing is the exact reason why he's the most trusted for me. Because where everyone else is creating the success illusion and marketing tactics, and trying to keep up that illusion so would never be able to say the truth about what's really going on in marketing.  The only one to tell the truth was Leo. This is why I think if Leo brought out a course tomorrow he would sell a thousand at least.... Because us true followers deeply trust him 

    Its that counterintuitive reason of trusting someone as marketer the most who puts out content like 'the problem with marketing' 

    My thoughts on this anyway. 

    Thank you Leo for that great video on 'the problem with marketing' re watched today, and its just so true its unreal 

     

  15. Posted

    Ps just to add I do think Eben has great products and courses. He’s really smart and I’ve learnt a lot from him ...

    It’s sort of why I was just disappointed cos I do like him 

    And Leo loves eben I think, so we probably wouldn’t have some of the great value in actualized 

       @How to be wise

    yeah of course, he’s a businessman and can charge what he wants. But I can’t explain it. It’s the pushiest I’ve seen him for a sale. And lots of people on the zoom where turned off saying it was ‘exhausting’ how long it went on. I don’t know... the way he did it just felt a bit manipulative and I saw through it. But I’m sure he’ll sell a ton and I’m sure it’s a great course 

  16. Posted

    I Just wanted to share my thoughts and disappointments on being on a ‘3 day summit’ with eben pagan today 

    it was billed as a valuable 3 day content summit for people who’ve already paid for one of his premium courses (which I have) 

    it was filled with sales pitches of his friends like marketer jeff walker...

    which ultimately led to his 25 thousand dollar course. Which is only 12.5 thousand if you book today.
    and consisted of 1.5 hours of sales pitches on his course 

    as someone like eben is worth multi millions.. it just felt wrong that’s he’s offering a 12.5k to ‘help people’ In the time of a global Pandemic 

    hes still great no doubt. And a stage yellow thinker. But the whole summit felt deep stage orange and I just didn’t believe him.  Felt like he was manipulating 

    a real shame from someone who I wanted to trust 

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    Woke up last night to a weird experience I wanted to share... as I’m a bit unsure what on earth happened 

    some basic background - about 3 months ago I did my first ever ayahuasca retreat. Pretty amazing. 2 nights of the medicine, both different strains and very different experiences both nights. 
    Anyway, I’m not going into that here. But of course during this ceremony I did feel for the first time what DMT was like, the visions etc 

     

    then no retreats for the last 3 months, just bits of meditation and deep breathing. 
     

    until last night - so weird! 
    I woke up around 4am in a half dream half awake state, that I’ve never had before.
    before bed I was watching loads of Ken Wilber and thinking about his models, so it was on the mind, and thinking of spiral dynamics too 

    The dream was so real and beautiful. I was flying through the air as i got higher and higher the colours were changing and they were the spiral dynamics colours. I got to the top, torqouise, I couldn’t go any higher and just stayed there. Then in the dream I started seeing the dmt visions... 

    then at this point I was slowly waking up. In this half dream half awake state, and then transferring over to being awake in the room I swear I had a mild dmt hit. 
    I was gobsmacked and laughing. My body was buzzing, and it felt so light in the bed. 
    It literally felt like a micro dose from my ayahuasca retreat. But of course I didn’t take anything. This lasted for 25 mins where I had mild visions and just felt amazing 

     

    walking up properly this morning it was still there a bit. Felt light, heady and slightly euphoric all day. 
     

    anyway, so that’s my story. It was the first time that sober I have felt such a high. I’ve only had the visions like this on the Ayauasca retreat, but this was surreal and came out of nowhere as I was sober 

     

    any thoughts of what went on would be appreciated. Maybe it’s not a big deal but for me it felt like a tiny glimpse of what could be possible 

     

    thank you 
     

     

  21. Posted

    I do often wonder what @Leo Gura marketing plan for actualized was 

    I heard him say he put lots of time, money and effort into the marketing... but I wonder what it was sometimes 

    there’s no Facebook, Instagram, no ads, no e mail list with updates, no funnels, no book, 1 online course. No webinars, no Facebook groups, no partnering up,  I’m willing to bet no seo, google adwords etc 


    no doubt Leo is a marketing psychology master and a purple cow with amazing content and consistency of showing up every week. And maybe that’s it. But I personally can’t see where the marketing budget is going... The marketing budget from all I can see is just equipment (camera, mic) learning courses and books . 

    maybe he is doing a lot of this stuff behind the scenes... but I haven’t seen any ‘marketing’ in a direct sense apart from just showing up amazingly every week and delivering massive value - so maybe that’s just the key 

  22. Posted

    As a man reading Leo’s blog post, the bit I was intrigued by was when he said something about a ‘persona’ and he was different in real life. 

    I do wonder how different Leo would be in real life to what I imagine 

    he could be a ‘persona’ to get the best out of people 

    there was a coach I really looked up to once, and when met in real life he was totally different. I guess some coaches have a ‘persona’ that works..

    but the truth is we probably have no Idea what they are like in real life 

     

  24. Posted

    @K Ghoul I love Leo... but I forgot how toxic this forum can be thanks to people like you. 
    I was just posting a kind and positive post initially and your ‘wtf’ comment back was just weird 

    if I can’t say something good in this forum without a backlash then I’m out of here 

    It’s probably people like you that the post was initially about. People who just criticise constantly