Is racism still a problem in America?

[Danioover9000]

   Great interview showing the many developmental factors and 2 different worldviews. Also while RA The Rugged Man's a good rapper, he's a simpleton white liberal. See how he tries to argue about racism:

   So is there really a systemic racism in America, or is the Black culture it's own greatest enemy? Also Thomas Sowell got similar takes.

[Emerald]

As someone who grew up in a small Southern town, I can tell you that about a quarter of the people there range on a scale from casually racist to obsessively racist. It's anywhere from casually stereotyping certain races and occasionally the odd racial slur... all the way up to an intense obsession with people of other races and expressing a desire to cleanse America of all non-white people. 

So, yes... racism is still an issue.

And that's not even taking into account the impersonal systems perspective on racism... or unconscious biases. And once you become conscious of that, you realize how pervasive it is.

And even if there were somehow suddenly no out-an-out racist people, there would still be negative impacts on non-white people because of how certain systems were set up in the past that still trickle into how it is today.

For example, public schools in America are mostly funded from property taxes. And because of past practices like segregation and redlining, it's the case that previously red-lined neighborhoods are poor areas where mostly non-white people live. And it has led to a disparity in wealthy that still impacts people to this day.

This leads to poorer schools that get less funding... and the (mostly non-white) kids that go there don't get as good of an education compared to the wealthier (mostly white) schools.

This then trickles into fewer educational prospects for non-white students... which trickles into fewer career prospects.

And there have been studies done where they'd send in identical resumés... but have one be a black-sounding name and one be a white-sounding name. And the person with the black-sounding name was chosen significantly less for call-backs throughout this experiment despite having the same resumé.

So, yes. Racism is alive and well unfortunately. 

[Danioover9000]

@Emerald First of all, welcome back! Been a while since you were in the forum.

6 hours ago, Emerald said:

As someone who grew up in a small Southern town, I can tell you that about a quarter of the people there range on a scale from casually racist to obsessively racist. It's anywhere from casually stereotyping certain races and occasionally the odd racial slur... all the way up to an intense obsession with people of other races and expressing a desire to cleanse America of all non-white people. 

So, yes... racism is still an issue.

And that's not even taking into account the impersonal systems perspective on racism... or unconscious biases. And once you become conscious of that, you realize how pervasive it is.

And even if there were somehow suddenly no out-an-out racist people, there would still be negative impacts on non-white people because of how certain systems were set up in the past that still trickle into how it is today.

For example, public schools in America are mostly funded from property taxes. And because of past practices like segregation and redlining, it's the case that previously red-lined neighborhoods are poor areas where mostly non-white people live. And it has led to a disparity in wealthy that still impacts people to this day.

This leads to poorer schools that get less funding... and the (mostly non-white) kids that go there don't get as good of an education compared to the wealthier (mostly white) schools.

This then trickles into fewer educational prospects for non-white students... which trickles into fewer career prospects.

And there have been studies done where they'd send in identical resumés... but have one be a black-sounding name and one be a white-sounding name. And the person with the black-sounding name was chosen significantly less for call-backs throughout this experiment despite having the same resumé.

So, yes. Racism is alive and well unfortunately. 

   Sure, there's a range of racism, covert to overt in the South USA like in Texas and nearby states. Putting aside racism, if there are real concerns and other factors, like a badly maintained southern border between Texas and Mexico, where cartels sometimes sneak in migrant workers that cross illegally, that increasingly take up jobs other natives of Texas and other southern state citizens do, Is that not a valid concern and point that Jared is bringing up here? Among many other developmental factors.

   Systems negatively impacting non-white only? Is that only one factor why some of these systems mistreat non-whites? Aren't there other factors besides race?

   Sure some public schools in America funded from property taxes, but is the disparity in wealth and living conditions only because of redlining and segregation? Is it not because of Neoliberalism, late stage capitalisms, even multiculturalism, feminism, and egalitarianism run amok that attacks more traditional values like family nuclear units, marriages, tightly compact communities? Is it not part of the fallout of too much atheism/secularism?

   Sure there could be some causation of poorer schooling, but another factor is this affirmative programming by Obama, that tries to statewide affirmative action to non-white to do better in schooling, yet it's not as effective and sets up a bad cycle of victimhood, that you as a non-white of this affirmative action, that you're only in this collage or university mainly because of affirmative action and not merit or skill or intelligence...That much was made clear by Thomas Sowell's research that mainly it's the black culture and ghetto culture holding back non-white people from doing better as they demonize students that can read and walking back with textbooks, and this culture even traces back to the Southern culture of white trash, rednecks  and hillbilly culture, which portion of blacks are a part of, which traces back to places in Ireland and in Scotland, this warrior and machismo attitude. So in that framing I'd partly agree this is a deeply systemic problem with deeper history that goes beyond the USA 's founding history.

   I partly agree that racism may be alive, but on KKK levels? Like public lynching and black face? I'd argue it's mostly covert with sometimes overt racism.

[bebotalk]

People who say it isn't are white, and thus less likely to experience racism. Or they're very stupid and blinded.

There are many who say there is no segregation and there are efforts to stamp out systemic prejudice. So there is no racism. No it's not that simple. 

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Emerald First of all, welcome back! Been a while since you were in the forum.

   Sure, there's a range of racism, covert to overt in the South USA like in Texas and nearby states. Putting aside racism, if there are real concerns and other factors, like a badly maintained southern border between Texas and Mexico, where cartels sometimes sneak in migrant workers that cross illegally, that increasingly take up jobs other natives of Texas and other southern state citizens do, Is that not a valid concern and point that Jared is bringing up here? Among many other developmental factors.

   Systems negatively impacting non-white only? Is that only one factor why some of these systems mistreat non-whites? Aren't there other factors besides race?

   Sure some public schools in America funded from property taxes, but is the disparity in wealth and living conditions only because of redlining and segregation? Is it not because of Neoliberalism, late stage capitalisms, even multiculturalism, feminism, and egalitarianism run amok that attacks more traditional values like family nuclear units, marriages, tightly compact communities? Is it not part of the fallout of too much atheism/secularism?

   Sure there could be some causation of poorer schooling, but another factor is this affirmative programming by Obama, that tries to statewide affirmative action to non-white to do better in schooling, yet it's not as effective and sets up a bad cycle of victimhood, that you as a non-white of this affirmative action, that you're only in this collage or university mainly because of affirmative action and not merit or skill or intelligence...That much was made clear by Thomas Sowell's research that mainly it's the black culture and ghetto culture holding back non-white people from doing better as they demonize students that can read and walking back with textbooks, and this culture even traces back to the Southern culture of white trash, rednecks  and hillbilly culture, which portion of blacks are a part of, which traces back to places in Ireland and in Scotland, this warrior and machismo attitude. So in that framing I'd partly agree this is a deeply systemic problem with deeper history that goes beyond the USA 's founding history.

   I partly agree that racism may be alive, but on KKK levels? Like public lynching and black face? I'd argue it's mostly covert with sometimes overt racism.

Hi @Danioover9000! Thank you for the welcome back.

Now, I was responding to this question... "So is there really a systemic racism in America, or is the Black culture its own greatest enemy?"

And clearly, my view is that there is systemic racism in America... and I provided my reasoning with some concrete examples of how a system could be racist without individuals in the system needing to be.

So, I don't really see why you'd answer to my reply to your question with questions about my takes on immigration issues since you were talking about racism... and specifically racism in relation to black people. 

And if it is the case that immigration issues are impacting white American's job prospects... would that not also impact black American's job prospects? 

So, the existence of immigration issues doesn't negate the existence of systemic racism. 

Now, these immigration issues exist specifically because the economy is designed to run off of the cheap labor of immigrants. So, there's no mistakes happening with immigration as it is by design. The U.S empire creates all sorts of issues for smaller nations so they can exploit them for resources and cheap foreign and domestic labor.

They often will either topple governments and install their own puppet dictator to keep the people of smaller less powerful nations oppressed, poor, and desperate. Or they'll pass laws, treaties, trade deals, sanctions, tariffs, etc. that lead to economic problems for less powerful nations.

And when people flee from these nations for a better life in America, America will exploit them for cheap (nearly free labor) which in turn leaves fewer jobs for poor Americans (who are also a cheap labor force that's intentionally kept poorer by the powers that be).

So, what must be understood is that the Immigration problem is really just a symptom of a much deeper root cause that more powerful imperialistic nations cause.

Then, these immigrants can be made into scapegoats by the powers that be so that the revolutionary energy of poor, working, and middle class Americans can be directed towards immigrants instead of to the powers that be.

And it's a whole automated system to get poor Americans to oppress themselves by getting them to waste their anger reacting to the symptoms of oppression that other groups of people are facing. 

So, anyone who gets really upset about immigration and immigrants is being suckered into re-inforcing the chains that bind them.

The main point is here that... yes, there is systemic racism. And yes, there is systemic xenophobia. (And systemic sexism, transphobia, etc.)

And these systems are maintained by the powers that be because it serves their power. That way there's cheap labor forces to exploit in the form of immigrants. And it causes American citizens to have to accept lower pay for the same jobs because they are competing with immigrants who are working for a few dollars per hour.

And then, poor angry (mostly) white people get a powerless scapegoat to blame instead of enacting real change by targeting the powers that set up the system that screws them over... so that the powers that be can maintain the working class white people as their place as yet another cheap labor force to exploit (though making a penny or two more than the immigrants). 

And this white anger towards minority groups then leads to an enforcement of both bigotry and systemic racism... which further enforces the oppression of those minority groups... which becomes part of the glue that holds the mutual oppression of poor white people and poor non-white people together. 

So, don't get suckered into the game! Of course there is systemic racism. And it's all very conveniently enforcing the power of the powers that be. And to the degree that we're unconscious to these systemic issues (and instead operate from a place of ignorance and blame of the affected groups) is the degree to which we can be manipulated and weaponized to enforce these power structures.

Edited March 7, 2024 by Emerald

[Danioover9000]

   This is actually a great example of this issue:

   I can both understand and empathize a bit with this guy. Basically he face a bit of racism from a few white people, but more often that racism came from the black culture and the ghetto. Worse is the mentalism when he does tell a person he's adopted, like there's so much hidden assumptions of his prior status. Not every adopted on average is traumatized. I'm willing to bet this attitude comes way more from those liberals/progressives that play these identity politics games, way more from the egalitarians and preachy stage greens.

[StarStruck]

11 hours ago, Emerald said:

As someone who grew up in a small Southern town, I can tell you that about a quarter of the people there range on a scale from casually racist to obsessively racist. It's anywhere from casually stereotyping certain races and occasionally the odd racial slur... all the way up to an intense obsession with people of other races and expressing a desire to cleanse America of all non-white people. 

So, yes... racism is still an issue.

And that's not even taking into account the impersonal systems perspective on racism... or unconscious biases. And once you become conscious of that, you realize how pervasive it is.

And even if there were somehow suddenly no out-an-out racist people, there would still be negative impacts on non-white people because of how certain systems were set up in the past that still trickle into how it is today.

For example, public schools in America are mostly funded from property taxes. And because of past practices like segregation and redlining, it's the case that previously red-lined neighborhoods are poor areas where mostly non-white people live. And it has led to a disparity in wealthy that still impacts people to this day.

This leads to poorer schools that get less funding... and the (mostly non-white) kids that go there don't get as good of an education compared to the wealthier (mostly white) schools.

This then trickles into fewer educational prospects for non-white students... which trickles into fewer career prospects.

And there have been studies done where they'd send in identical resumés... but have one be a black-sounding name and one be a white-sounding name. And the person with the black-sounding name was chosen significantly less for call-backs throughout this experiment despite having the same resumé.

So, yes. Racism is alive and well unfortunately. 

Same thing in Europe. But when you confront them about it they will deny it. 

[Emerald]

12 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Same thing in Europe. But when you confront them about it they will deny it. 

That's usually the case. Most people who are casually to overtly racist just see themselves as people who see the truth while others are blind to it or to afraid to say it. Many just see themselves as brave truth tellers simply telling it like it is in the face of the lies of political correctness.

[meta_male]

Racism is still a problem all over the world btw.

[Schizophonia]

90% of crimes in France are committed by blacks and arabs.

 

[Schizophonia]

Europeans should work towards a racialist policy.

 

[MarkKol]

10 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Europeans should work towards a racialist policy.

We had one, it was called nazi Germany.

Great times.

[Schizophonia]

12 hours ago, MarkKol said:

We had one, it was called nazi Germany.

Great times.

Reductio ad Hitlerum 

There is a difference between racialist demographic policies and a totalitarian policy.

[Basman]

Marginalized ethnic demographics tend to be in tow with socioeconomic development. Certain "races" statistically commit more crimes because they are poorer (poverty is the greatest predictor of crime). Eliminating poverty and creating access to more opportunities for growth, like education, will help heal society of its worst neurotic tendencies.

This will of course take many years. I believe it is inevitable that things get better with time.

[Danioover9000]

   Great example of systemic racism, and how tricky it really is, also another example of stage orange/mostly green having a blind spot to a stage red individual that appears mostly a calm put together person, until 5 weeks later found with dismembered body parts in his freezer.

   Integrate your stage blue and orange values, and improve your body language analysis and reading of people.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

On 08.03.2024 at 3:04 PM, Schizophonia said:

Europeans should work towards a racialist policy.

 

Europeans? aren't they folks from medieval times, such an outdated concept. 

[Danioover9000]

@Sucuk Ekmek

4 hours ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

Europeans? aren't they folks from medieval times, such an outdated concept. 

   It's a general label. Or would you rather list them all every time you reference them in conversation? Instead of saying Europeans you say France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Greece, and so on?

[Danioover9000]

   Nice video by Ummah;

 

[Schizophonia]

20 hours ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

Europeans? aren't they folks from medieval times, such an outdated concept. 

White people. 

[Danioover9000]

@Schizophonia

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

White people. 

   But which white people are we talking about?