Understanding the nazi mind

[Breakingthewall]

Fascism is the biggest shit of humanity. It is the ideology that affirms that there are superior humans and subhumans who can be treated like animals. Any fascist deserves to die, they are son of a bitch who spreads evil, demons. 

Germany is deeply ashamed of having been fascist, it is a terrible shame, like having been a pedophile rapist torturer of children.  

It is very sad what Germany did, horrible. the same as Japan. They behaved like psychopathic demons, and the allies were very generous with them, even the Russians were generous in their savagery, since the aggression they received would deserve exterminating revenge, and that was not the case.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[bebotalk]

Some people just have more authoritarian mindsets. It's just how their cognition works. 

[Majed]

here's a question for you to contemplate : what is nazi behavior ?

[Majed]

 

[Epikur]

On 27.12.2023 at 0:36 AM, Breakingthewall said:

Fascism is the biggest shit of humanity. It is the ideology that affirms that there are superior humans and subhumans who can be treated like animals. Any fascist deserves to die, they are son of a bitch who spreads evil, demons. 

Germany is deeply ashamed of having been fascist, it is a terrible shame, like having been a pedophile rapist torturer of children.  

It is very sad what Germany did, horrible. the same as Japan. They behaved like psychopathic demons, and the allies were very generous with them, even the Russians were generous in their savagery, since the aggression they received would deserve exterminating revenge, and that was not the case.

Depends how you define fascism for example:

 

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Italian fascism has emulated ancient Rome and Mussolini in particular emulated ancient Roman leaders, such as Julius Caesar as a model for the fascists' rise to power and Augustus as a model for empire-building.

 

[OBEler]

@Majed the single Nazi behaviour is difficult to describe. You need the full package to understand nazi. A Nazi without Hitler,without germany is not a nazi and never will be a nazi.

Nazi germany was a full single united biological organism. Maybe the first one in human history in this scale. Hitler designed that. He even described people as cells of the "Volkskörper" and jews as cancer cells which destroys the "Volkskörper". It was very biological and keeping this volkskörper clean and together and alive  through sterilisation, desinfecion and other methods (KZ) was a main part of nationalsocialism. The scary part is, it worked perfectly and nazi germany became so powerful to conquer the whole world. This was not the ability of a supreme race. It was this whole system of nationalsocialism to make germany incredible powerful. It seems almost magical.

Just looking at the parts and you will not understand.Its like you say whats the behaviour of the wheel of a car? With this thinking you will never understand a car. 

[Majed]

@OBEler thanks for your valuable insights !

[Breakingthewall]

15 hours ago, Epikur said:

Depends how you define fascism for example:

 

 

Mussolini was a complete idiot, mentally retarded with the maturity of a 12-year-old child, but not a Nazi I think. The very mentally deficient imbecile intended to make Italy, a country without military tradition, without real union as a nation, a Mediterranean empire like the Turkish,  confronting the british empire, because the ancient Rome was an empire. It's like if now the Mongols decide to try to be an empire because of Jenjis Kahn. He was a crazy clown, a joke. 

About the Nazism, actually all conquering peoples have been racist, the English were without a doubt. but they considered the other races human. inferior but human, not animals. They could not be treated like cattle, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism prohibit it. but not fascism. Even the Romans, that they had no problem establishing maximum punishments, they were not complete racists, they made deals with other empires, they admitted foreign soldiers, etc. The madness of the Japanese and the Nazis was another level

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Mussolini was a complete idiot, mentally retarded with the maturity of a 12-year-old child, but not a Nazi I think. The very mentally deficient imbecile intended to make Italy, a country without military tradition, without real union as a nation, a Mediterranean empire like the Turkish,  confronting the british empire, because the ancient Rome was an empire. It's like if now the Mongols decide to try to be an empire because of Jenjis Kahn. He was a crazy clown, a joke. 

About the Nazism, actually all conquering peoples have been racist, the English were without a doubt. but they considered the other races human. inferior but human, not animals. They could not be treated like cattle, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism prohibit it. but not fascism. Even the Romans, that they had no problem establishing maximum punishments, they were not complete racists, they made deals with other empires, they admitted foreign soldiers, etc. The madness of the Japanese and the Nazis was another level

You dont understand the Nazis.

Nazis just were very close to nature.they saw battle between groups of humans necessary for evolution and there is great evidence in history that this was always the case . So they saw others as Humans too, but they had to fight each other so that the weaker group distinguish and the stronger will survive. If Germany is really the weaker group so let germany die. But of course they did everything to prevent this and they thought that germans are superior to other groups of people. That was their mindset. A true brutal warrior mindset

Edited December 28, 2023 by OBEler

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Nazis just were very close to nature

Yeah, you are right, they saw that nature is the law of the strongest and that the weak must die, in nature there is no mercy, there is only one rule: survive. but they were idiots, they did not realize that nature, reality, follows a course, an evolutionary process, and they went against that process. humans were not in that reality that the Nazis though, and they were inevitably crushed. Humans were moving naturally towards the path of union, they thought that all that was unnatural and that the natural thing was to return to the primitive state. stupid because if reality was one way, this was natural

Edited December 28, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[OBEler]

@Breakingthewall I dont think they were against that process. Up until today,war always happens in one or another way (culture war, gender war etc) and If you look at the outcome, it always benefits humanity in the longterm. So maybe the nazis (or better Nietzsche) were right on this one.

Going to primitive state was for the nazis a method to unlearn thousand of years of domestication. nazis were very civilized, maybe the most civilized on the planet back then. They did not want human apes. I think here you also misunderstand them. For battle you need this raw primitive predator state.in peace they would concentrate to build the most beautiful things with their intelligence.

And you forget that the Nazis probably would unite europe and other countrys under their regime. So union was a big agenda under the nazis. But also slavery.

Just a different point of view, I dont glorify them.

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by OBEler

[Bazooka Jesus]

On 25.12.2023 at 6:38 AM, OBEler said:

@Schizophonia Hitler Always had good mental health.

Lol, right... except maybe when he was high as a kite on crack cocaine / methamphetamine 24/7.

On 25.12.2023 at 6:38 AM, OBEler said:

He knew exactly what he was doing

Like leaving the whole country in ashes and committing suicide?

Well played, Adolf.

[OBEler]

@Bazooka Jesus Dude..so you got the information that He took cocaine and meth (on YouTube right?the best source for historical facts). And now you conclude he is a massive drugs addict, who has lost his mind and was permanent high. Right...You think so very simple.

By the way even people who take regulary drugs can be functioning mentally pretty well. 

Committing suicide in his position was reasonable, he lost the war and the enemy would surely be not friendly to him If he did not kill himself before. To make IT more clear: He would be executed for sure. So he would die anyway 

Edited December 29, 2023 by OBEler

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Breakingthewall I dont think they were against that process. Up until today,war always happens in one or another way (culture war, gender war etc) and If you look at the outcome, it always benefits humanity in the longterm. So maybe the nazis (or better Nietzsche) were right on this one.

Going to primitive state was for the nazis a method to unlearn thousand of years of domestication. nazis were very civilized, maybe the most civilized on the planet back then. They did not want human apes. I think here you also misunderstand them. For battle you need this raw primitive predator state.in peace they would concentrate to build the most beautiful things with their intelligence.

And you forget that the Nazis probably would unite europe and other countrys under their regime. So union was a big agenda under the nazis. But also slavery.

Just a different point of view, I dont glorify them.

 

Your perspective is interesting, I also think that the Nazis in their own way were seekers of the truth. For them the truth of life is war and the prevalence of the strong over the weak, and compassion is perversion. For them, Christian morality is deeply perverted, the only morality of life is: survive or die. but they were wrong, they miscalculated their actions, they did not take karma into account and their imbalance was their destruction. It is true that others, like Jenjis, have applied extreme cruelty as a tool of power, but they lived in a world where that was what the flow of existence demanded, whereas the Nazis went out of the flow driven by their delusions of grandeur. and they ended up in shit and creating an example of what humanity should avoid. surely his contribution to human unity and equality has been one of the greatest in history

[Schizophonia]

On 25/12/2023 at 2:08 AM, OBEler said:

@Schizophonia Hitler Always had good mental health. He knew exactly what he was doing and he always went all in.

Also never in History a wholen Nation was 100% united. Almost everyone was a nazi.Some more some less. But everyone was total commited into this Hitler Regime. Hitler was seen as a god, today you just laught at the politicians. Back then with Hitler everything became possible. I think no one today can comprehend what power he had.

humm

 

[Schizophonia]

@Breakingthewall 

You are confusing fascism and Nazism.

I can be a fascist and be opposed to everything you referenced.
I can be a libertarian and be the worst sociopath.

Also, the great ethnic replacement of Europeans from Central Europe is largely justified by this shame, you can justify everything by guilt.

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your perspective is interesting, I also think that the Nazis in their own way were seekers of the truth. For them the truth of life is war and the prevalence of the strong over the weak, and compassion is perversion. For them, Christian morality is deeply perverted, the only morality of life is: survive or die. but they were wrong, they miscalculated their actions, they did not take karma into account and their imbalance was their destruction. It is true that others, like Jenjis, have applied extreme cruelty as a tool of power, but they lived in a world where that was what the flow of existence demanded, whereas the Nazis went out of the flow driven by their delusions of grandeur. and they ended up in shit and creating an example of what humanity should avoid. surely his contribution to human unity and equality has been one of the greatest in history

You understand Nazis a bit better.Yes IT was something Spiritual. But still, you underestimate Nazis, IT goes way deeper. Their Moral was not so simple.you know, nazis were willing to sacrifice their lifes for each other and for higher goals, that made them one of the most passionates soldiers ever seen. On the Battlefield they respected the enemy, there are many examples to find where they honored them (build Graves for them, helped injured soldiers) or saved the whole crew If they shot a ship down. So they saw them not as animals, not at all.

I can recommend to read Nietzsche for more understanding

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by OBEler

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, OBEler said:

On the Battlefield they respected the enemy, there are many examples to find where they honored them (build Graves for them, helped injured soldiers) or saved the whole crew If they shot a ship down. So they saw them not as animals, not at all.

Germany has a great military tradition in which those values you mention were respected. The soldiers and their commanders were not Nazis, they were professional soldiers, the SS Nazis had a different behavior. The core values of Nazis and fascism in general are simple: I am better than others. That's why they look for an inner enemy,  label others as subhuman and all that.

Edited December 29, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

You are confusing fascism and Nazism.

It is difficult to define fascism, it is not something homogeneous, like communism

[sholomar]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:24 AM, Majed said:

Here's an insight:

so the holocaust happened because of eugenics philosophy, which sought to eliminate the impure races and individuals like homosexuals and the disabled. and improve the world by encouraging the thriving of the aryan superior ethnicity through the reproduction of aryans and the elimination of others that are inferior from the world.

There's a certain wisdom to this... right now we have lots of genetically inferior members of the general population you might dub "useless eaters" that end up being a parasitic burden to the system. It can be argued it's compassionate to try to "save everyone" but the fact is the laws of nature and evolution itself are savage and don't include these human inspired values.

That said, nazi ideology didn't arise from any ideology of racial superiority, it mostly arose as a result of how Germany was treated after world war one. Hitler didn't originate his ideology, he picked it up in his environment during his younger years.

https://www.supersummary.com/mein-kampf/summary/

There have been plenty of genocides throughout history though. Understand the nazi mind and you can understand human nature in general better. People tend to be followers and go along with strong leadership, regardless of the leadership's policies. Autocratic regimes use fear as a tool to control the populace and strictly control the information and propaganda to groom the youth into accepting the new regime and purging any elder dissidents who "remember how things used to be." 

Read Hitler's book Mein Kampf, then read the book 1984. Understand the autocratic mindset. In the end it's about control for the sake of control. Maintaining repressive regimes requires it. It's why they are inherently low consciousness. Hitler's Nazi Germany was just another variation on a general theme... use of propaganda as a tool to manipulate and mold history to the way the regime wants people to perceive it.  People like to call autocratic regimes "far right" but the truth is these terms "right" and "left" really have little meaning in historical context. Both extremes are capable of autocratic belief systems. All it takes is a big enough victim complex and a desire for revenge along with charismatic leadership. Those elements combined with enough supporters of your ideology, brute force, and some luck, is all it takes.

Edited December 29, 2023 by sholomar