UFOs Are Here

[Natasha Tori Maru]

27 minutes ago, Joshe said:

There you go again telling me what's factual and what's not, lol. 

But you don't have all the facts - fact. You make absolute statements. It is the rhetoric you use that frames it this way.

I think I have a problem with the nature of that rhetoric to be honest - because it leaves no room for doubt. So it is most likely communication that is the issue. 

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I can't explain it to you, but your model of me is just wrong on so many levels, and you have no idea what I can know.  

I actually don't have a fully formed model there - which is why I ask questions. And because of the above rhetoric you employ - your wording is often so absolute I routinely ask "I wonder how he came to that conclusion, and why or if such-and-such was considered". 

I am asking questions to try to work out how you are coming to conclusions. Does this appear personal?

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 I'm basically just stating my reads and you seem to take it personally.

Which is weird because it is not me taking anything personally - as above it is me trying to work out how you arrived at something in the way you did. It just so happens that more often than not I see a lot of assumptions. Possibilities that may have been overlooked etc. So I approach from there. And most of the time it appears you have considered alternatives, and then I ask again why a certain alternative explanation may have been discarded as a reason etc (If I do not understand for any reason). I don't have any hard feelings against you.

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I've re-read some of my post and thought they did sound quite arrogant. And I was like, "shit, am I like Leo?"

Well yes, this is the rhetoric you employ. And you do put down others when they do not agree with you - just in an indirect way. This is where I am actually make a personal assessment on you - but I am not taking it personally. I am calling out behaviour.

27 minutes ago, Joshe said:

let's just keep a little distance. You can continue to make snide remarks about me, but let keep engagement to a minimum if it doesn't involve good-faith battle of ideas. 

Well okay then, I don't have any bad feelings and I don't personally feel we don't get along. I actually view my probing and questions in relation to you as a positive thing (for me) because I like to understand various minds, and yours is quite unique. So I tend to shotgun fire questions out of intense curiosity as well as look at arguments.

But yeah if I want to reply I will. 

Maybe you just don't like my style of questions as it may feel intrusive into how you think etc.

Sometimes I go at arguments, sometimes I am just curious how the person arrives at shit. Dunno, I just ask away.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joshe]

@Natasha Tori Maru I don't see your questions and overall engagement with me as good faith. 2-3 weeks back you asked me some questions about how I got to where I did and I spent 30 minutes or so answering them in sharp detail, explaining to you how my position was built, and your response to me was to not waste my time. So I don't think you're actually curious about my positions so much as you wanting something else. Possibly for me to not sound so sure of myself. Which is a matter of style that just rubs you the wrong way. (current best hypothesis)

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Well yes, this is the rhetoric you employ. And you do put down others when they do not agree with you - just in an indirect way.

I assure you, it's the ideas or the consequences or implications of them I'm putting down, not the people. I don't want anyone to feel put down. I should perhaps be more sensitive and less prickly.

15 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Well okay then, I don't have any bad feelings and I don't personally feel we don't get along. 

Ok, let's see if we can get along. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@Natasha Tori Maru I don't see your questions and overall engagement with me as good faith. 2-3 weeks back you asked me some questions about how I got to where I did and I spent 30 minutes or so answering them in sharp detail, explaining to you how my position was built, and your response to me was to not waste my time. So I don't think you're actually curious about my positions so much as you wanting something else. Possibly for me to not sound so sure of myself. Which is a matter of style that just rubs you the wrong way. (current best hypothesis)

I think I wasn't actually clear with that response (I vaguely recall I replied in a hurry and when I reread your comment, I felt I did not do it justice. At the time work diverted me from returning to engage). I dismissed pre-emptively so I apologise for the mixup and not returning to address. It has happened to a few other users also. I resolved to be more patient and only respond when I have sufficient time after noticing this pattern.

11 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Ok, let's see if we can get along. 

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