UFOs Are Here

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Hojo said:

Bashar says that the aliens are disclosing themselves. Like they are the higher government. And the human government dosent have control wether it happens.

Of course if aliens exist they can disclose themselves any day. But obviously they refuse, for whatever reasons. Or they just don't exist.

I do not believe Bashar that aliens will soon disclose themselves. I could be wrong, of course, but I just don't see aliens disclosing themselves in the next few years. That sounds too good to be true, and now is a terrible time for disclosure.

I think this disclosure talk feeds into people's hopes and UFO mania. I see it as a collective self-deception. People WANT disclosure, but that doesn't mean it's coming.

But ultimately I'm just speculating here. It just feels highly improbable to me. Disclosure is such a rare thing that it is highly improbable.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura It would be a good date that aliens disclose themselves,  Super intelligence is also predicted by 2027. What better time would be, these aliens would know that humans cannot handle such an enormous intelligence and would intervene.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Super intelligence is also predicted by 2027.

Aliens know that's BS.

Humans' plate is way too full for alien contact. I see no reason why aliens would want to disclose themselves to an asshole like Trump and this gang of buffoons.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura Im pretty sure that Bashar thinks it happening right now , just in the beggining. Like Dr. Phil talking about aliens is part of the disclosure. And the movie and all this stuff.

It is bold to say this prediction non stop for Bashar, because if hes wrong his entire channeling goes out the window as he is harping on this hard. If it dosent happen I myself will call him a fraud.

Edited 22 hours ago by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Im pretty sure that Bashar thinks it happening right now

I do not take anyone's predictions of the future seriously. It's guesswork.

The future is fundamentally unknown. Making absolutist claims about the future is what fools do. And believing absolutist predictions is what fools do.

The correct answer is that we don't know what will happen.

The issue is not that Bashar is a fraud, the issue is, why do you think it's right to believe him? Don't blame him, look at why you are abandoning epistemic responsibility.

Some bald dude speaks confidently so now epistemic responsibility flies out the window?

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura What exactly was the turning point for you that convinced you that aliens are visiting our planet?

I am also into aliens, its very entertaining, but so far there are too many grifters on that topic so I am not really conviced on what I have seen but I stay open.

Also these whistleblowers can all be lead by the CIA for their tactics (hiding new military technology or whatever).

 

Edited 21 hours ago by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

What exactly was the turning point for you that convinced you that aliens are visiting our planet?

There is just too many eyewitness reports of UFO craft, not just from fools, but from pilots, military, sailors, scientists, etc. The reports are too similar and too numerous to all be a delusion or fantasy.

There is something there. Not necessarily alien bodies, but some kind of non-human technology.

Roswell is also clearly some kind of cover-up. Hot air balloon my ass. If Roswell was a hot air balloon, then I have a unicorn to sell you.

Read the book on Roswell. Roswell alone is damning enough.

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Alexop]

@Leo Gura so at some point, if there are too many "mature" witnesses, we can begin to trust their word, even to a legal trial degree? For example: if enough "mature" people witness that a woman was raped by X, then we can send X to 20 years in prison based only on that? I don't say that you are wrong or so, and just believing in aliens is not as serious of a thing as potentially destroying the life of a person. I just want to raise this ball, that if we don't have a so called in legal world: a "beyond a reasonable doubt" proof, we cannot be 100% sure. In the same way mob justice can happen, mob ontological commitment can happen.

Edited 19 hours ago by Alexop

[Leo Gura]

@Alexop You are right that we cannot be 100% sure about an unobserved thing.

But of course if 10,000 serious people say they witnessed a thing, we must take that claim seriously. That doesn't mean we believe it. It just means we start to consider that scenario seriously, and start looking for more evidence.

The notion that all UFO talk is just a hoax or delusion really strains credulity. At some point, denying all the witnesses becomes more outlandish than just accepting that aliens could be flying around Earth.

Do we know for sure that OJ Simpson killed his wife? No. But there is enough evidence there that I would be comfortable convicting him. Could I be wrong? Yes. But so could the skeptics.

At the end of the day, we all have to place our bets. My bet is on aliens.

Edited 18 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Alexop]

Yup. I mean those 10.000 serious people and all we know about the universe until now... all the planets and galaxies etc. makes for a strong case. There is basically 0% chances that only humans made it to this level of intelligence in the whole universe. There are just too many stars and galaxies.

[Sandroew]

On 2026. 07. 26. at 2:59 PM, LoneWonderer said:

I'm sorry but Whitley sounds like he's so full of shit in this one. Even Area52 hosts doesn't really seem to be taking him too seriously in this one:

 

Bro claimed Bob Lazar was an MK Ultra subject.

[Cubbage]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Read the book on Roswell. Roswell alone is damning enough.

Herein lies the problem, most people won't read the book. Even people I know who are into aliens & UFO's won't bother reading the facts, they just love the disclosure fantasies and the wacky alien narratives too much.

The cultural brainwashing surrounding Roswell goes so deep it's maddening. The beautiful irony, is that the proof is in the pudding and it has been staring us in the face the whole time. 

My late grandma was alive to remember hearing about Roswell and she said at the time, even in Britian, the majority of people she spoke to about it did not believe the balloon cover-up and not just because it was nonsensical, but because the entire Roswell situation as described anecdotally made more sense than what was being painted by what would end up being project blue book.

My grandma said that Roswell was the moment that even regular people who had all had their fair share of weird sightings in the sky, felt validated that they weren't absolutely insane and that it was more likely that the truth was that aliens have been here, because why wouldn't they be? People who deny alien presence on earth need to think more like these aliens, makes perfect sense why they would be here. Forget the intentions or agendas, from an alien POV, of course you're gonna check earth out.

Also RIP Nick Pope who died recently and was Britain's most iconic ufologist, his work changed my grandma's life and many others.

I don't think we'll ever get disclosure in our lifetimes but anyone who has read into this for thousands of hours and contemplated it deeply enough has already proven it to themselves. It is undeniable once you reach a certain level of understanding imo. Psychedelics that tap you into alien type thinking helped me a lot, on top of just literally looking UP and taking it ALL in.

[Joshe]

Do you have any idea the number of people who swear on their life that they’ve seen a ghost? Understand thoroughly how that delusion works, then replace ghosts with aliens. That’s how you explain the 10k reports. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Joshe

[Cubbage]

@Joshe Yeah, some of em actually have haha I have spoken to people who have seen what we would call a "ghost"

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Cubbage said:

@Joshe Yeah, some of em actually have haha I have spoken to people who have seen what we would call a "ghost"

Do you think ghosts are literally real, yes or no? By ghost, I simply mean a translucent or even fully opaque non-human but human-shaped thing observable from this reality.

If you do as Leo suggests and put stock in the alien sightings due to sheer volume, you also have to put stock in ghost sightings, because there are far more ghost sightings than alien sightings. So we should now bet that ghosts are real? Absurd af. 

If you thoroughly understand the ghost sighting delusions, that understanding transfers perfectly over to the alien sighting delusions. The mechanisms responsible for the ghost sightings are the same mechanisms responsible for the alien sightings.

What is responsible for ghost sighting delusions?

Edited 1 hour ago by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

Do you have any idea the number of people who swear on their life that they’ve seen a ghost? Understand thoroughly how that delusion works, then replace ghosts with aliens. That’s how you explain the 10k reports. 

We have video footage released by the US Navy of real UFOs.

These are not ghost stories. Real Navy pilots. Real Navy videos.

Edited 56 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We have video footage released by the US Navy of real UFOs.

These are not ghost stories. Real Navy pilots. Real Navy videos.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/97531-ufos-are-here/?do=findComment&comment=1665402

I don't think he cares about what evidence is out there as much as sticking with the narrative that doesn't want to be countered by anything substantial.

[Joseph Maynor]

Until I can examine the evidence myself, I am skeptical.

[Hojo]

This is a ufo drawing that someone from the navy said they saw. Its the coolest one.

Its like a bubble of conciousness.

Edited 24 minutes ago by Hojo

[LoneWonderer]

@Leo GuraWhat do you think are some possible explanations for these phenomena might be? Give us your greatest takes.

I think different phenomena are being observed as far as I can tell and only now with modern technology we're starting to be able to pick them up. I think some of them are terrestrial phenomena or creatures that have always been present but undetected (a undiscovered species if you will). This is my theory for some of these flying jellyfish. Others that seem to appear and disappear might be operating on different dimensions or sense perceptions outside of human and current technology ability to detect (say entities or creatures from dimensions of consciousness one may only witness on psyhedelics for example). The hardest you to put a finger on are the cases of abductions and claims of physical beings in crafts (mantids, greys etc). Don't know what to make of those.

I also find it hard to believe any of these phenomena have much interest in human affairs. Prob just doing their survival strategies unaware of humans goings on (this seems to be the case of these flying jellyfish...just flying around surving ya know....).

Anyways these are all just my crackpot theorizing because I got nothing better to do. All other theories are equally valid in the realms of unknows! 

Or here's another possibility...I'm just spinning a web of bullshit based on stories and people's annecdotes. Can't rule that out either.

Edited 2 minutes ago by LoneWonderer