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Biases and bigotries

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1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

instead of desperately trying to protect and justify your resentfulness

Really let that sink in


Those you do not forgive you fear. 

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I have to go. Will reply later 

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Those you do not forgive you fear. 

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You want them or at very least want them to be nice to you, but you feel that they dont want you or that they have any obligation to be nice to you. 

Think about it, if you had the same preconceived notions about any group of people your interactions would actually go the same, like if you thought all Chinese people were how you described (entitled etc) you would get the same confirmation bias. In fact it could be very possible that youve had terrible interactions with a particular group of people however you dont notice it because you may not have grouped them together. Youve grouped hot women together because they trigger you as you want their positive attention.

Sounds like basically racism for hot women the way describe it and as you say people can get by with it but it usually affects them more than their particular targets of hate or dislike. So your dislike of hot women says something about you rather than the women, we can all accept that no group of people is uniformly "bad" or "evil", so it comes down to whether you want to explore where your bias comes from, look into your shadow etc or you just want to live with misplaced hate within you. Of course youre free to do as you wish, but this being a forum about growth would indicate on some level you want to push passed this 

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4 hours ago, Consept said:

You want them or at very least want them to be nice to you, but you feel that they dont want you or that they have any obligation to be nice to you. 

Think about it, if you had the same preconceived notions about any group of people your interactions would actually go the same, like if you thought all Chinese people were how you described (entitled etc) you would get the same confirmation bias. In fact it could be very possible that youve had terrible interactions with a particular group of people however you dont notice it because you may not have grouped them together. Youve grouped hot women together because they trigger you as you want their positive attention.

Sounds like basically racism for hot women the way describe it and as you say people can get by with it but it usually affects them more than their particular targets of hate or dislike. So your dislike of hot women says something about you rather than the women, we can all accept that no group of people is uniformly "bad" or "evil", so it comes down to whether you want to explore where your bias comes from, look into your shadow etc or you just want to live with misplaced hate within you. Of course youre free to do as you wish, but this being a forum about growth would indicate on some level you want to push passed this 

I'd think all people want others to be respectful or nice. But if others are not, so be it. expecting such in all cases is illogical. 

however, warding off harmful people isn't that bad. I don't see why you assume it is, or it's something extraordinary. 

I guess my view can be viewed akin to racism. I myself am a racial minority in my own country, and to be honest I cannot control what others think or feel. if people are racist, then I'd ward it off.

I don't want positive attention from pretty ladies. I just think due to socialisation, I know they'd be loud, raucous and in-your-face. They live in a different social conception, so they don't know any better and it's in their nature. 

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19 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

however, warding off harmful people isn't that bad.

The difference is youre makng an assumption about them being harmful because they happen to be in your opinion pretty. If you knew them a little bit and found out they were harmful then it would make sense to protect yourself from that but, as you dont know them you are only making assumptions. Also you should consider that because you have a negative idea about them they could possibly be matching your energy. For example if someone in your country treated your rude and abruptly because youre a particular minority (as you do to pretty ladies), your reaction toward them would be negative, from that persons perspectives you would just be confirming their assumptions about people from your minority. This is what could be happening with you. 

25 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

I don't want positive attention from pretty ladies. I just think due to socialisation, I know they'd be loud, raucous and in-your-face. They live in a different social conception, so they don't know any better and it's in their nature. 

Its impossible to say all pretty women act the same, especially as you havent had an open conversation with many if any of them. If a pretty woman was really nice and generous to you how would you feel? 

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41 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

I'd think all people want others to be respectful or nice. But if others are not, so be it. expecting such in all cases is illogical. 

however, warding off harmful people isn't that bad. I don't see why you assume it is, or it's something extraordinary. 

I guess my view can be viewed akin to racism. I myself am a racial minority in my own country, and to be honest I cannot control what others think or feel. if people are racist, then I'd ward it off.

I don't want positive attention from pretty ladies. I just think due to socialisation, I know they'd be loud, raucous and in-your-face. They live in a different social conception, so they don't know any better and it's in their nature. 

You know what youre saying isnt true of all pretty women and you know youre just venting. That's why you name the thread "biases and bigotries". It's pent up energy that just needs to go somewhere, and this forum is the perfect place for you to vent. 

10yrs from now you'll be married to a pretty attractive woman and in retrospect you'll look back and say to yourself, "I can't believe I was such an asshole". 

 

19 hours ago, bebotalk said:

 

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8 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Really let that sink in

lol.

Why? what will you do if i don't? maybe it's in your culture to give directives to random people.

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17 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

Why? What will you do if i don't? 

:D rape you haha. No actually you'll just remain in pain that's all. And your heart will continue to scream for help. Basically what's already happening will just continue on and on. Until you chose to look deeper into what is running the frustration. 

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14 hours ago, Salvijus said:

:D rape you haha. No actually you'll just remain in pain that's all. And your heart will continue to scream for help. Basically what's already happening will just continue on and on. Until you chose to look deeper into what is running the frustration. 

Well, it's not customary for others to be compelled to do what others say. Maybe your temple told you, but your guru is mostly locked in his own thinking. There are other conceptions of life. Your guru doesn't seem like a decent person anyhow. 

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15 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

You know what youre saying isnt true of all pretty women and you know youre just venting. That's why you name the thread "biases and bigotries". It's pent up energy that just needs to go somewhere, and this forum is the perfect place for you to vent. 

10yrs from now you'll be married to a pretty attractive woman and in retrospect you'll look back and say to yourself, "I can't believe I was such an asshole". 

 

I'd never subject myself to marrying a pretty woman, ever. I know their natures. 

The premise is sound. Humans nay most life on Earth move to contentment over suffering. Pretty women are inherently stuck-up and are bullies, so I avoid them. 

Moreover, do you have the same energy for people who are racist in your midst? or sexist? or homophobic? if not, why not? they're all forms of bigotries. The principle should stand. Pretty women often like to think their thoughts or values are the benchmark. I don't believe any one person's ideals should be seen as what all others must follow. It would be reasonable to condemn all forms of bigotry, and not only ones based on one's internal whims. 

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1 hour ago, bebotalk said:

Well, it's not customary for others to be compelled to do what others say

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. But you have to understand, everyone's heart including yours heart is asking for release and healing 24/7. I simply responded to the call that your heart is making. Even if you're not aware of it on the conscious level of the mind. The cry for healing is always there. And it is the grudges and judgements of other people that suffocate the heart the most.

So don't take it personally when I'm talking to you. Because I'm not talking to you even. My only interest is to get past the ego defenses and aliven the heart a bit that is suffocating and crying for help because of all the resentfulness and pollution there. Talking to the ego is a waste of time anyways. 

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4 hours ago, bebotalk said:

I'd never subject myself to marrying a pretty woman, ever. I know their natures. 

The premise is sound. Humans nay most life on Earth move to contentment over suffering. Pretty women are inherently stuck-up and are bullies, so I avoid them. 

Moreover, do you have the same energy for people who are racist in your midst? or sexist? or homophobic? if not, why not? they're all forms of bigotries. The principle should stand. Pretty women often like to think their thoughts or values are the benchmark. I don't believe any one person's ideals should be seen as what all others must follow. It would be reasonable to condemn all forms of bigotry, and not only ones based on one's internal whims. 

I have my own biases, yes. But I'm aware they were borne out of fear. I have not sat down and analyzed them to figure out what form of fear or why I have them because, to me, there are other issues I have to recognize and deal with that are more on a larger scale and some of those fears will automatically dissolve by overcoming those  issues. I will always have biases while still identified with this human form.

I don't take racism personally. That says nothing about my human character. That's borne out of ignorance and Self denial. Homophobia and sexism too. All of it. Ignorance. Why should I acknowledge those things and react negatively to those energies when I'm aware that they are distorted and stem from self hatred. I may become unconscious for a moment and react when I recognize their presence in my awareness but I don't stay there or live there for long as I become conscious again and my compassion for that comes to the forefront. 

The contents of your post is really irrelevant as it is only stemming from fear, denial and self hatred. Those things are delusions and delusions can appear in different forms. Your post is just one of them. You will deny this, but that also will be stemming from ignorance. Not in the sense that you are an ignorant fuck, but lack of self awareness. 

I can sense when someone's crying out for help, I can sense when someone's hurting deeply.  You are no different from me, your emotions are my emotions. I can feel the emotions you emit from your post. If I wasn't connected to you, I wouldn't be able to. It's just easier for one to not identify with another's emotions because of a sense of separation. But sometimes the energy that's in motion affects and reaches another through communication a little stronger than other times for whatever reason. 

Sit with this message for a moment and try to understand what's being communicated here....or dont.

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18 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I have my own biases, yes. But I'm aware they were borne out of fear. I have not sat down and analyzed them to figure out what form of fear or why I have them because, to me, there are other issues I have to recognize and deal with that are more on a larger scale and some of those fears will automatically dissolve by overcoming those  issues. I will always have biases while still identified with this human form.

I don't take racism personally. That says nothing about my human character. That's borne out of ignorance and Self denial. Homophobia and sexism too. All of it. Ignorance. Why should I acknowledge those things and react negatively to those energies when I'm aware that they are distorted and stem from self hatred. I may become unconscious for a moment and react when I recognize their presence in my awareness but I don't stay there or live there for long as I become conscious again and my compassion for that comes to the forefront. 

The contents of your post is really irrelevant as it is only stemming from fear, denial and self hatred. Those things are delusions and delusions can appear in different forms. Your post is just one of them. You will deny this, but that also will be stemming from ignorance. Not in the sense that you are an ignorant fuck, but lack of self awareness. 

I can sense when someone's crying out for help, I can sense when someone's hurting deeply.  You are no different from me, your emotions are my emotions. I can feel the emotions you emit from your post. If I wasn't connected to you, I wouldn't be able to. It's just easier for one to not identify with another's emotions because of a sense of separation. But sometimes the energy that's in motion affects and reaches another through communication a little stronger than other times for whatever reason. 

Sit with this message for a moment and try to understand what's being communicated here....or dont.

Well, why do pretty women assume their thoughts are what others MUST adhere to? what will or can they do if others are not responsive, nor care? It's on pretty women if they can't control their thoughts/emotions so as not to get vexed if others don't see them as the benchmark. Or be able to recognise cases of bigotry and not be comically selective. Nobody has to be selective as a default. As most pretty women behave this way, then it lends to them not being decent people and for me at least best avoided and scorned. 

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A topic discussing biases and bigotries is bound to have no controversy whatsoever.

:S


Why did the pizza maker go broke? Because they couldn't make enough dough!

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16 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

A topic discussing biases and bigotries is bound to have no controversy whatsoever.

:S

Are you saying you're free of either?

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4 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

Are you saying you're free of either?

Nah, I ain’t enlightened yet :D

Being aware of having biases is critical. Even stating that you are enlightened is a bias, ain’t it?


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3 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

Many ugly girls are also spoilt. I'm thinking it's about the hot ones because you would have wanted something from them, am I right?

 


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You have a point there. @SqueekytoyPeople usually don't hate on disadvantaged people because they don't have what anybody wants and nobody wants to be in there shoes, generally speaking. 

The OP doesn't realize, or he does, that many different types or categories of people can display the traits he mentions of so-called pretty women. Why is it that he's singling them out. Hmmm

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5 hours ago, bebotalk said:

Well, why do pretty women assume their thoughts are what others MUST adhere to? what will or can they do if others are not responsive, nor care? It's on pretty women if they can't control their thoughts/emotions so as not to get vexed if others don't see them as the benchmark. Or be able to recognise cases of bigotry and not be comically selective. Nobody has to be selective as a default. As most pretty women behave this way, then it lends to them not being decent people and for me at least best avoided and scorned. 

I wish you all the best and I hope you find an ugly gf or wife that makes you happy. Ugly girls ROCK! Whatever you define as ugly, that is. 


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6 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

@Princess Arabia Indeed, strikes me as an undeniable conflict of interests.

The ones I would have wanted to be nice to me, aren't. Hence I am resentful. Image that.

If I had as much attention for the ugly ones (pardon the lingo), I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have made this about the pretty ones.

Some people don't understand there's energetic patterns at play here and a lot can be told about them just by what they like or dislike. So a lot can be said about him just from his post if you are aware enough to see through it and also how he views himself. 


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