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Just now, Squeekytoy said:

It also hides the realization from him that by the very same token women may have all the same reasons for being resentful of men. Pretty sure that pretty girls know exactly why we're so interested in them. And that ugly girls know it too. But his resentment is exactly what prevents him from putting himself in their shoes.

I can sit here and write a post about all the things I find upsetting about this and about that. What is the point in that, if not only to perpetrate more of that in my life. Why focus on those those things. Why upset myself. Why put myself in that mood. Not to say I don't sometimes, and I do, but I try not to live in that mental state. Visit once in a while but move on. He's unaware of how he can recontextualize those perceptions he has and will no longer see what he's seeing. He's being more affected by his hate than the people he is hating. So much so that he felt the need to have to write a post about it while those so-called pretty women are probably out there not giving a shit about how he feels. HE HAS GIVEN HIS POWER AWAY TO THEM. He has made them his master and now he's a slave to his hatred thoughts, and bragging about his victim mentality. All done unconsciously. 


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Just now, Squeekytoy said:

The same energetic patterns that cause him to post are what end up bringing resolution.

I think giving hot porn girls a chance could be a great way to remedy his resentment and thereby open the door for him to put himself in their shoes. :) What do you think?

He would be fucking them saying "you narcissistic bitch, I got you now, come to daddy, you fucking egotistical brute of a woman, how dare you treat men that way...ohh..ohh.oohh busted. Thank you for that release you fucking hot bitch". 


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18 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I wish you all the best and I hope you find an ugly gf or wife that makes you happy. Ugly girls ROCK! Whatever you define as ugly, that is. 

Relationships are more than just looks. Dating people shouldn't be about wanting a trophy or an affectation! I'd happily date a 5 over a 10 since 5s are way less inherent drama. 

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19 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

You have a point there. @SqueekytoyPeople usually don't hate on disadvantaged people because they don't have what anybody wants and nobody wants to be in there shoes, generally speaking. 

The OP doesn't realize, or he does, that many different types or categories of people can display the traits he mentions of so-called pretty women. Why is it that he's singling them out. Hmmm

It's just amusing that apparently, you decide which forms of bigotry are worthy of condemnation. 

If your avatar is you, then it fits. 

In my experience, most pretty women due to socialisation and perhaps genetics have been bullies and base. It's also a matter of principles. I've been taught by my parents not to see any group as better or lesser. Sure, somebody might look hot but that doesn't mean they are of a superior value. Most pretty women think they are. 

Yes, attractive men also experience pretty privilege. But men and women are socialised differently. Women are still the gatekeepers of sex and relationships. Despite gender equality in the West, women still are viewed and related to in a different manner. We still expect men to be leaders. We expect men to be more stoic and stronger, and attractive and ugly men both have this burden.  

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6 hours ago, bebotalk said:

Relationships are more than just looks

Well, your post is about looks and I was just keeping the convo on that same trajectory.


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6 hours ago, bebotalk said:

It's just amusing that apparently, you decide which forms of bigotry are worthy of condemnation. 

If your avatar is you, then it fits. 

Where in my post was I condemning any form of bigotry. And also, thank you for the complement. Yes, my avatar is me. And just to mention, without sounding egotistical but I'm one of the nicest most kind and caring person you'll ever come across on earth and I say that because ive been told that many times. Yes, I have my ways, yes I can be nasty, yes I get upset, but who doesn't.

I don't need your comment to know that I'm an attractive person because of my history. I used to model, been in Miss Jamaica Festival contests, Miss Jamaica Fashion Model contests, been an  Exotic Dancer, stripper escort you name it, cant be ugly doing all that and I'm constantly being told I'm pretty, attractive or whatever, See that how you may and I don't care if you think I'm bragging or boasting because that's not my intention, its to make a point. I've also been around very attractive women who are some of the nicest people you've ever met (figure of speech, please), so your post is nothing but ranting and raving about particular experiences you've had, NOT WHAT IS TRUE. 


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Pretty women?

what do you define as a pretty woman? It’s subjective so  according to your one’s own definition. These pretty women are not an objective fact.

pretty woman are all nasty and to be avoided?

firstly how did we know all pretty women are nasty. Did we meet them all and get to know them or did we just have a handful of bad experiences or simply making an assumption based on an opinion formulated by a worldview based on belief and not direct experience?

getting to know them would show varying degrees of niceness and not so nice to the down right rude. Containing a spectrum of nice to not so nice means the cause is not appearance because it occurs in both the pretty and not so pretty… women and men….
 

why would a pretty woman not be nice? 
 

is it that she has a self perception that she is pretty and can get away with whatever behavior?

there are pretty women with self confidence issues and even body dysmorphia so if they are mean it’s certainly not because they think they’re pretty.

there are pretty women who are mean because they are pretty and don’t like the attention.

plenty women who think they’re prettier then they are or rather the expression or assumption of their prettiness actually makes them less attractive so they would not be considered pretty in someone’s subjective opinion so these ‘pretty’ women are not pretty.

We’re simplifying a complex set of variables to create a story to justify dismissing other people. That’s not ‘their’ behaviour it’s yours and it’s being done to preserve your status quo from facing the adaptable nature of identity. 

getting caught up in the superficial level of the world prevents us from seeing identical behavior in opposites so the appearance isn’t the issue or the cause. 
 

the very subjective thought or opinion that is projected out into the world is caused within the origin of that thought, our mind. We are ‘creating’ the world as we believe it to be and then complaining about it. 

to create a world we want, we have to change those thoughts and perceptions around, through trial and error till a nice balance is found. That means learning to adapt and change one’s own identity to live respectfully amongst a collective (this is a necessity for holding the structure of society together as these forms are finite and and part of a relative reality. Reality meaning form in relationship to other form. There is no independent individual. The claim true independence in a relative construct is to separate ourselves from it and fight with it. This leads to one’s own atrophy so it serves no purpose to say “this is me and I don’t care about others because I am or want what I want”)
 

making a statement to dismiss a particular group of people is pushing beyond one’s own boundaries and imposing on those others by blaming them for your own faults. 
 

people calling us out on it is not imposing back, it is a reflection of us that we should probably start to pay attention to. 
 

the reason people are responding, triggered or Insensed is that what is being stated here is pushing beyond a personal boundary of individual being and pushing it onto others which shows a lack of balance in the relative world. 

if you don’t like people calling you out then don’t provoke them. If you make opinionated statement then be prepared and open to the possibility that someone will point out a flaw in that logic. It’s the universe talking to itself. We can either explore that advice or fight with it. 

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On 29/11/2023 at 4:42 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Where in my post was I condemning any form of bigotry. And also, thank you for the complement. Yes, my avatar is me. And just to mention, without sounding egotistical but I'm one of the nicest most kind and caring person you'll ever come across on earth and I say that because ive been told that many times. Yes, I have my ways, yes I can be nasty, yes I get upset, but who doesn't.

I don't need your comment to know that I'm an attractive person because of my history. I used to model, been in Miss Jamaica Festival contests, Miss Jamaica Fashion Model contests, been an  Exotic Dancer, stripper escort you name it, cant be ugly doing all that and I'm constantly being told I'm pretty, attractive or whatever, See that how you may and I don't care if you think I'm bragging or boasting because that's not my intention, its to make a point. I've also been around very attractive women who are some of the nicest people you've ever met (figure of speech, please), so your post is nothing but ranting and raving about particular experiences you've had, NOT WHAT IS TRUE. 

Because the default state of pretty women is to assume a "dominant" position, due to genetics and socialisation. I refuse to hand to them, or acquiesce. If they are "free" to be that way, then I can be free to respond in kind. Self-defence is a natural right. I'm not sure why this should be questioned. 

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On 30/11/2023 at 9:02 AM, Adrian colby said:

Pretty women?

what do you define as a pretty woman? It’s subjective so  according to your one’s own definition. These pretty women are not an objective fact.

pretty woman are all nasty and to be avoided?

firstly how did we know all pretty women are nasty. Did we meet them all and get to know them or did we just have a handful of bad experiences or simply making an assumption based on an opinion formulated by a worldview based on belief and not direct experience?

getting to know them would show varying degrees of niceness and not so nice to the down right rude. Containing a spectrum of nice to not so nice means the cause is not appearance because it occurs in both the pretty and not so pretty… women and men….
 

why would a pretty woman not be nice? 
 

is it that she has a self perception that she is pretty and can get away with whatever behavior?

there are pretty women with self confidence issues and even body dysmorphia so if they are mean it’s certainly not because they think they’re pretty.

there are pretty women who are mean because they are pretty and don’t like the attention.

plenty women who think they’re prettier then they are or rather the expression or assumption of their prettiness actually makes them less attractive so they would not be considered pretty in someone’s subjective opinion so these ‘pretty’ women are not pretty.

We’re simplifying a complex set of variables to create a story to justify dismissing other people. That’s not ‘their’ behaviour it’s yours and it’s being done to preserve your status quo from facing the adaptable nature of identity. 

getting caught up in the superficial level of the world prevents us from seeing identical behavior in opposites so the appearance isn’t the issue or the cause. 
 

the very subjective thought or opinion that is projected out into the world is caused within the origin of that thought, our mind. We are ‘creating’ the world as we believe it to be and then complaining about it. 

to create a world we want, we have to change those thoughts and perceptions around, through trial and error till a nice balance is found. That means learning to adapt and change one’s own identity to live respectfully amongst a collective (this is a necessity for holding the structure of society together as these forms are finite and and part of a relative reality. Reality meaning form in relationship to other form. There is no independent individual. The claim true independence in a relative construct is to separate ourselves from it and fight with it. This leads to one’s own atrophy so it serves no purpose to say “this is me and I don’t care about others because I am or want what I want”)
 

making a statement to dismiss a particular group of people is pushing beyond one’s own boundaries and imposing on those others by blaming them for your own faults. 
 

people calling us out on it is not imposing back, it is a reflection of us that we should probably start to pay attention to. 
 

the reason people are responding, triggered or Insensed is that what is being stated here is pushing beyond a personal boundary of individual being and pushing it onto others which shows a lack of balance in the relative world. 

if you don’t like people calling you out then don’t provoke them. If you make opinionated statement then be prepared and open to the possibility that someone will point out a flaw in that logic. It’s the universe talking to itself. We can either explore that advice or fight with it. 

I never said I didn't like people questioning my points. That's the point of this space, to share ideas. 

And yes, generally speaking, pretty women tend to be dark. 

Looks aren't that subjective. It's often the very PC who say this, or those who think looks are not a factor in life. They're either very enlightened or deluded and warped. Pretty women have no incentive to be nice, since social dynamics will make others warm to them based on their looks. I don't see how noting a fact and a trend is exposing others' for my own faults. This spiritual thinking assumes that there is never any base negavitity. That's naive imho. Most spiritualist people who say this often have hypocritical vibes anyhow. They may preach it, but seldom live it and then bemoan others for not living it. 

Pretty women set the tone of darkness, due to genetics and socialisation. So they cannot complain if others respond to them. People aren't socially or interpersonally "above" others. 

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6 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

 

Because the default state of pretty women is to assume a "dominant" position, due to genetics and socialisation. I refuse to hand to them, or acquiesce. If they are "free" to be that way, then I can be free to respond in kind. Self-defence is a natural right. I'm not sure why this should be questioned. 

You can be self defensive, there is no wrong in that, but make sure you go through research or studies to confirm your biases and to know how much percentage of pretty woman have the characteristics you describe. If you can't find any, study on your own. Interact with atleast hundred pretty woman from different backgrounds for a year in your free time or everyday life and try to compare them with other women with as little bias as possible, and then make your judgement.A year of study can save years of hatred.

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41 minutes ago, An young being said:

You can be self defensive, there is no wrong in that, but make sure you go through research or studies to confirm your biases and to know how much percentage of pretty woman have the characteristics you describe. If you can't find any, study on your own. Interact with atleast hundred pretty woman from different backgrounds for a year in your free time or everyday life and try to compare them with other women with as little bias as possible, and then make your judgement.A year of study can save years of hatred.

Studies often can be biased or created to support given ideological mindsets or worldviews. 

 

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32 minutes ago, bebotalk said:

Studies often can be biased or created to support given ideological mindsets or worldviews. 

 

True.

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Then you only have the second choice: Do it on your own trying to have less bias than those studies. If you can't, it's better to rely on the average of multiple studies or be free of any bias at all. 

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Not to mention prejudices, you have pre-judged a group of people because of a trait they have little control over and treat them in such a way which reflects your prejudice as you imagine them to be not reflective of them as they are.

So you can continue to prejudge people and treat them a certain way as a reaction to what's in your imagination or you can cease to prejudge people and treat them according to how they treat you or even treat them a certain way despite how they treat you.

This isn't moralizing or an opinion, this is just what it is. Take it as you will.

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27 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Not to mention prejudices, you have pre-judged a group of people because of a trait they have little control over and treat them in such a way which reflects your prejudice as you imagine them to be not reflective of them as they are.

So you can continue to prejudge people and treat them a certain way as a reaction to what's in your imagination or you can cease to prejudge people and treat them according to how they treat you or even treat them a certain way despite how they treat you.

This isn't moralizing or an opinion, this is just what it is. Take it as you will.

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@Princess Arabia  Reading the thread it seems you expressed very similar things so I could have said the very same thing about your replies.

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4 hours ago, bebotalk said:

Pretty women have no incentive to be nice, since social dynamics will make others warm to them based on their looks.

Do you think you're the only one who feels the way you do. No you're not. Plenty of people can't stand pretty people both men and women. They have prejudged them just like you have. So, this social dynamic warmth you're talking about only exists in your head just like everything else. Get over yourself. If you're thinking something, someone else already thought it, if you're feeling something, someone else already felt it. You're just a combination of thoughts, ideas and constructs. So, to say social dynamic - you're also a part of a social construct, so if you're feeling that way there are plenty of other people who are too. Nothing special about your prejudices. They are not even yours. You've adopted them from a certain conditioning that you're not aware of; because if you were aware of where those prejudices came from and recognized that they didn't just start from your conscious thinking, assessments and logic, you would realize you are just mimicking a particular behavioral pattern unbeknownst to you and are just coming from a place of ignorance.

You try to rationalize this unconscious thought pattern that you've adopted from conditioning, thinking it's your own. There are strings of causes and effects that happened way before it reached your mind that subjected you to this belief, and now you're trying to individualize yourself by believing this belief came from a string of circumstances that you have observed and now the final equation is "pretty women are mean". Connect the dots backwards and you'll be surprised to see this belief you so think is yours was programmed into your psyche from situations and circumstances that has nothing to do with your rationalizations of why you feel this way and what you've observed about pretty women. You only were able to see those things because of previous beliefs you held and that were vibrationally attached to this current one about pretty women; which, BTW will lead to future beliefs that has nothing to do with pretty women. You have made pretty women your master with all that hate you have bestowed upon them, and with that they will now control how you view unrelated circumstances because there is no separation and everything is connected and entangled with everything else. Hate only destroys the one who hates.


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29 minutes ago, SOUL said:

@Princess Arabia  Reading the thread it seems you expressed very similar things so I could have said the very same thing about your replies.

Our minds are connected on the same plane, I guess. You were dropped off right beside me when we landed at the Spirit airport. Lol


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2 minutes ago, Squeekytoy said:

rincess Arabia I think he meant you've demonstrated to be just as prejudiced as OP is, lol.

I guess, I dunno. Don't really care. I know what's in my heart. So communication, language, expression and words come second as we're sometimes not skilled at those things i mentioned. The intention is what matters, mines is to spread awareness while trying to expand mine.


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