Solipsism proof : experience isn't divided nor limited

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

We're telling you This/Here/Now is all that ever was/is/will be 

Ah, if you say, sure it is. Could you share how did you arrive to this conclusion? Regardless of that, awakening has no relation on knowing whether others exist or not.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Loveeee]

14 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Sincerity They automatically confuse their egoic, limited self for all there is. They knowingly or unknowingly develop a belief that says that their small self, their egoic self, is all there is.

What the hell does that even mean ? 

How could the small be the all 

[Razard86]

5 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It is absolitely the messenger's fault if he's spreading misinformation and potentially causing harm to those who buy into it. It is the messenger's or the teacher's responsibility to make sure that the information and the teachings provided are as harmless and as helpful as possible. 'Solipsism' is simply just more harmful than helpful.

^^^^^I shall call you ivankiss the Fearmonger.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ah, if you say, sure it is. Could you share how did you arrive to this conclusion? Regardless of that, awakening has no relation on knowing whether others exist or not.

Awakening is about truth, and truth is non-dual

I explained how in my original post, but there are many ways to see it 

 

[Razard86]

8 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It cannot, but by default, that's how most seekers will interpret it. Knowingly or unknowingly. 

A chair is not more or less God than 'you' are. But that's not as exciting as 'I AM EVERYTHING!', right? Why not? Because ego don't like being the same as a chair. Ego likes to think it's superior, omnipotent, etc. 

 

What is perceived is the perceiver. Saying there is no individual self has equal danger to saying all is self.

[An young being]

14 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It is absolitely the messenger's fault if he's spreading misinformation and potentially causing harm to those who buy into it. It is the messenger's or the teacher's responsibility to make sure that the information and the teachings provided are as harmless and as helpful as possible. 'Solipsism' is simply just more harmful than helpful.

I have heard even meditation can give you sometimes a trip to mental hospital.

[Vibroverse]

6 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

What is perceived is the perceiver. Saying there is no individual self has equal danger to saying all is self.

True, that's why this is a subtle thing, and that's why it is problemmatic to say "the truth is this, the truth is that", it is a subtle thing, and what we need is a finetuning of mind, or what you might call a deconstruction of mind, brick by brick, so to speak, with no rushes. I think that's why, in a sense, a philosophical, or rigorous, approach is needed in our approaches. 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Vibroverse

[Loveeee]

23 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It cannot, but by default, that's how most seekers will interpret it. Knowingly or unknowingly. 

Well that's obviously not what we mean, just like by God we don't mean a bearded man in the sky 

I too was confused at first, it's part and parcel of this esoteric journey

[Razard86]

21 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Razard86 I am deliberately avoiding responding to you, because it's never a fruitful conversation, but so be it. I see you're trying hard to capture my attention. I am also well aware of the mutual triggering that's going on - no need to deny.

Yes self or no self, yes individual or no individual... are all dualities. Consciousness is effortless and omnipresent. It does not require you to think that there is an individual, nor does it require you to deny that there is an individual. It is simply conscious now.

Mutual triggering...no mutual triggering going on here, I love to point out inconsistencies to show people that they are creating drama. Yall love to create dramas and then justify it so I show you your reflection. Also....again for the 1000th time. 

Absolute Solipsisms says what you are saying. You have to deny it says that to actually have a problem. Do you not realize we are going in circles here? If it has no dualities...then there is no other because other is a duality.

The End.

Absolute Solipsism says and I quote...the only thing that is known is Experience. Because Experience cannot be divided. As such there can be no other experience because experience is ABSOLUTE. 

That is the SAME as saying Experience is!! So if experience just is... then since there is no other experience....which you know is true because you have never ever ever experienced other....then...other collapses. That's it. We can do this forever.

Also IS....inplies individuality. The individuality of consciousness because IS =singular. You cannot escape this. DEEP sleep collapses individual and other....which means... just like there is no I, there is no other.

Here is a key secret for all of you out there. Duality only exists because of ego.

This means that EGO=Other. Ego is the creation of other. No ego, no other. 

Its simple.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, strangelooper said:

This is a message to the solipsist. The truth is simple, you're the only one reading this. What you see is literally all that exists, all these people here arguing about solipsism (including me) don't exist and have never existed, they are automatic programmed non sentient entities just to entertain you. Of course "you" is also temporary but as far as people go, you're closer to real than any of these people because you feel and perceive. "You" is the main character, the instrument the universe is using to experience. Don't feel bad for me or for them, they simply do not exist.

Lol

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lol

He doesn't even realize he created a duality. If they don't exist, neither do you. 

What doesn't exist is individuals. The blankness of existence holds all things and controls all things. You don't know its there because it is invisible. This blankness is a mind and is always in control at all times and is free to do as it wants. Everything that happens is its will.

Then you have people who have forgotten and become afraid of this or that. The ego is a creation by this blankness to allow it to experience duality by being afraid of this or that. LOL. Once the ego drops it realizes....there is nothing to worry about because it was never in control in the first place. Ego doesn't like this because it is a control freak. Ego needs other so it can feel like it is accomplishing things, that it has meaning and purpose and blah blah blah. The ego doesn't realize the following things.

It doesn't control that is appeared as a human, its time period, its parents, the country it is in, how many hair follicles it has, how slow or fast it ages, its heart rate, or the end of its apparent life. But yet for some reason it thinks it has control? When it trips it says I tripped....lol. It says oh I made a mistake. LOL. How silly is this game? If you could prevent yourself from tripping you would never trip, and if you could prevent yourself from making mistake you wouldn't make mistakes.

The ego needs to hold on to so many stories and all of these stories are tied to the existence of other. If other is annihilated....the ego goes with it. THAT is when freedom is realized.

[Princess Arabia]

I wonder why the topic of Solipsism gets so much attention and lengthy discussions. Hmmmmmm. Alone are we. Is that a paradox or a redundant statement, Alone are we. Hmmmm. Scared at night to think about it. Hmmmm. Why are you on the internet, on your phone, talking to people so much and engaging, hmmmm, go sit in a room for 5 days and do nothing but pee and Solipsism will come knocking at your door you'll be screaming to get out. Hmmmm

[Vibroverse]

Whether solipsism is true or not, you will keep suffering unless you keep not dealing with your shit. You become no different than a partizan who keeps saying that he is saying the truth. 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Vibroverse

[Razard86]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

I wonder why the topic of Solipsism gets so much attention and lengthy discussions. Hmmmmmm. Alone are we. Is that a paradox or a redundant statement, Alone are we. Hmmmm. Scared at night to think about it. Hmmmm. Why are you on the internet, on your phone, talking to people so much and engaging, hmmmm, go sit in a room for 5 days and do nothing but pee and Solipsism will come knocking at your door you'll be screaming to get out. Hmmmm

Its because humans are biologically conditioned to desire other, and on a higher level God wants to experience other. 

The show is running itself. LOL. 

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

He doesn't even realize he created a duality. If they don't exist, neither do you. 

What doesn't exist is individuals. The blankness of existence holds all things and controls all things. You don't know its there because it is invisible. This blankness is a mind and is always in control at all times and is free to do as it wants. Everything that happens is its will.

Then you have people who have forgotten and become afraid of this or that. The ego is a creation by this blankness to allow it to experience duality by being afraid of this or that. LOL. Once the ego drops it realizes....there is nothing to worry about because it was never in control in the first place. Ego doesn't like this because it is a control freak. Ego needs other so it can feel like it is accomplishing things, that it has meaning and purpose and blah blah blah. The ego doesn't realize the following things.

It doesn't control that is appeared as a human, its time period, its parents, the country it is in, how many hair follicles it has, how slow or fast it ages, its heart rate, or the end of its apparent life. But yet for some reason it thinks it has control? When it trips it says I tripped....lol. It says oh I made a mistake. LOL. How silly is this game? If you could prevent yourself from tripping you would never trip, and if you could prevent yourself from making mistake you wouldn't make mistakes.

The ego needs to hold on to so many stories and all of these stories are tied to the existence of other. If other is annihilated....the ego goes with it. THAT is when freedom is realized.

All you're saying is what, and more, that I contemplated on to realize solipsim. It's so obvious. We didn't choose to be born nor do we choose when we die (maybe in the afterlife we choose, idk)  but all of a sudden we are making all these choices in our lousy mundane lives and calling it productivity. Like we did something, like we are the ones in charge, if that was the case, addictions wouldn't be prevalent and all of us would feel happy, content and fulfilled, since we know so much what we are doing. We think we do and we think we're in control. This is why this message isn't well received. There's a reason for that.

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Its because humans are biologically conditioned to desire other, and on a higher level God wants to experience other. 

The show is running itself. LOL. 

You introduced me to this guy and I love him, love his authenticity and realness. I watch him a lot.

[PenguinPablo]

9 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Eeeeeexactly. No need to slap a random label like "you" on it.

Are you saying that "you-ing" yourself into the position of God is just another ego game?

Hence no-self, lack of conceit in that perspective?

Edited November 14, 2023 by PenguinPablo

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Vibroverse said:

Whether solipsism is true or not, you will keep suffering unless you keep not dealing with your shit. You become no different than a partizan who keeps saying that he is saying the truth. 

 

Not necessarily. Not everyone is made up the same. Some can be locked up and still be content. Some can feel pain and still be content. Some will experience misfortune and still be content...the list goes on. IT'S NOT ABOUT DEALING WITH YOUR SHIT, because there's no shit to deal with when you know your true nature. All else is add-ons and secondary. Begin at the end and everything else falls into place. Detach and no-thing, person or circumstance can touch you or make you depressed or sad or anxious. That's all egoic dependency. Be attached to nothing.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Razard86 You do cherry picking. When I attached Maharshi’s argument against solipsism, You passed by like it didn’t happen

[Vibroverse]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Not necessarily. Not everyone is made up the same. Some can be locked up and still be content. Some can feel pain and still be content. Some will experience misfortune and still be content...the list goes on. IT'S NOT ABOUT DEALING WITH YOUR SHIT, because there's no shit to deal with when you know your true nature. All else is add-ons and secondary. Begin at the end and everything else falls into place. Detach and no-thing, person or circumstance can touch you or make you depressed or sad or anxious. That's all egoic dependency. Be attached to nothing.

Look, it's easy to say such wise seeming things, but i don't care about socalled nondual wisdoms or shit like that. I can talk in such a way that you will believe that i'm the most awakened being in existence, it is easy to do that. 

You can say that everything is perfect, no need to focus on the dark, just be, you are existence itself, etc etc etc. But, trust me, i've read and listened a loooooot of such talks from a loooooot of socalled masters and so on. But you need to be honest with yourself and embrace yourself, and use your reason and intuition to find your own path. 

You don't know where anyone is, and what they need, and so forth. It is easy for us on this forum, or in videos and books and so forth, to pretend like we know what everyone is going through, and what they need and so on, and we a lot of that. But things are different when it comes to individual experiences of individual beings, you see. 

I can parrot all the spiritual teachers and masters and so forth, and i'd do that pretty good, but the real shit, the real understanding, is not in saying the wise looking words, but in truly accepting yourself where you are and being able to quiet your mind more and more, so that you will be more and more open to your inner awareness and intelligence. 

I don't say let's get lost in our fears and angers and so forth, but, at least for me, it is important to not say "oh these negative thoughts etc are just illusions" etc, because the frickin experience of them is real, and it is not always that easy to find your way through the shit that you are going through.