New War In Israel / Gaza

[How to be wise]

1 hour ago, Vrubel said:

From each territory Israel withdraws it gets attacked from with rockets and terrorism, the latest attack has proven this. Israel can only withdraw from the West Bank if the Palestinians have a strong moderate leader that can keep proper law and order. Otherwise, Israel has to constantly get involved to break up the terror organizing. 

So why are you building settlements in occupied land? Occupation after war is meant to be temporary, until you negotiate a settlement and then leave. Yet Israel hasn’t left for 80 years. 

[danniel]

@Vrubel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs 

there are also articles that israel has made collecting rainwater illegal for Palestinians, palestine does not only needs a good leadership but also an occupier who does not implements inhumane rules and/or a non-lying neighboring government, who justifies killing 6000+ children, shoots kids on sight (one incident was from August when a teenager was shot in a car)  or in general who do not kill new born babies.

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-left-premature-babies-die-alone-gaza-hospital 

or a government who does not occupies and controls water supply for civilians (and i use civilians here because it is the west bank)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/17/how-israel-uses-water-to-control-west-bank-palestine

hamas is  terrorist organization, not only because they try to kill their oppressor but also because of their religion.

[Leo Gura]

Breaking News: Israel makes it illegal to breathe in Gaza.

[Lila9]

 

[Nivsch]

16 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

 

Quite heartbreaking. Those brainwhashed children/teens are just posioned for life way before the first airplane of Israel has crossed the border, but on the real tragic the world won't talk. 

The problems being created to the palestinians in this war are barely 1% or even less in comparison to the real problem above, but Israel actions now are also really the only chance for them to heal in the long run.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

7 hours ago, How to be wise said:

So why are you building settlements in occupied land? Occupation after war is meant to be temporary, until you negotiate a settlement and then leave. Yet Israel hasn’t left for 80 years. 

After Israel conquered the West Bank and Gaza in the 6 day war, they were extremely open to negotiating some settlement in exchange for peace and recognition. Back then Israel was still very tiny population-wise and overwhelmingly secular. The most important thing was to just to feel safe but of course they were in exchange confronted with the three no's of Khartoum: 

،لا صلح مع إسرائيل
،لا تفاوض مع إسرائيل
لا اعتراف بإسرائيل

No peace with Israel,
No negotiation with Israel,
No recognition of Israel

 

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

Quite heartbreaking. Those brainwhashed children/teens are just posioned for life way before the first airplane of Israel has crossed the border, but on the real tragic the world won't talk. 

Israel although the problems and room for critisim, makes only 0.1% of the problem, but the only chance to heal them in the long run.

Theres another chance for "healing"...give them full human rights 

[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Theres another chance for "healing"...give them full human rights 

Like in europe/germany etc?

 

[Twentyfirst]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Like in europe/germany etc?

 

Idk what they are saying or what this is supposed to prove

[Karmadhi]

On 02/12/2023 at 11:03 AM, Vrubel said:

There were definitely a lot of problems including unemployment. Life for Gazans got undeniably worse after Hamas came to power. Such will be the nature if you're ruled by a terrorist organization. But still, they could have had satisfying meaningful lives with their big families and religion. There is always a choice for progress. Before the war Israel was negotiating to allow more Gazans to work in Israel addressing the unemployment issue and helping many people out. Instead, they chose war. So here we are

@Vrubel Dude they were driven from their homes and put into a big prison controlled by Israel before Hamas even came to power. All the areas around Gaza are not even Israeli to begin with. Its stolen land. Also Israel blocked them having airports etc. 

 

[Karmadhi]

On 02/12/2023 at 11:03 AM, Vrubel said:

Sure, but it's a very specific bias. My bias is to feel protective of the more developed "modern" educated people

Sure but dont you think that is inherently racist since whites tend to be better educated due to better upbringings?

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Idk what they are saying or what this is supposed to prove

They use „tolerance“ freedom etc to spread their intolerance, ancient thinking etc

[Karmadhi]

On 02/12/2023 at 11:03 AM, Vrubel said:

Yes, I know that's how many Russians think. Russian mentality is different because they don't have the democratic tradition and aren't so whiny. An average Russian is used to living economically and resourcefully with the little they have

Im not an expert in Russia but I know many that lived there and they were not that poor. Like people in cities where they lived. Sure its not western europe but the world has way way poorer. The country itself is classified as a upper middle economy.

[Karmadhi]

On 02/12/2023 at 11:57 AM, Vrubel said:

The fact that Russia cannot recognize that Europe has transformed since the time of the Nazis tells you more about Putin than about Europe. This is part of the 'misconception' that I mentioned earlier. Putin is completely deluded in thinking they are degenerate Satanists which makes him do stupid things like invading Ukraine. He is basically a criminal and assumes everybody else is the same because that's his reality.   

Thinking Hamas can destroy Israel is equally deluded. They can just poke at it. Not more. When ur president of Russia you cannot afford a superpower at your backdoor. NATO is mostly USA, not just Europe and USA has illegally invaded countries and bombed civilians so it is not so crazy to think they might be a threat. Technically USA in the last 30 years has been equally if not more involved in wars compared to Russia

Edited December 3, 2023 by Karmadhi

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Thinking Hamas can destroy Israel is equally deluded. They can just poke at it. Not more. When ur president of Russia you cannot afford a superpower at your backdoor. NATO is mostly USA, not just Europe and USA has illegally invaded countries and bombed civilians so it is not so crazy to think they might be a threat. Technically USA in the last 30 years has been equally if not more involved in wars compared to Russia

Who said hamas can destroy israel though?

[Twentyfirst]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

They use „tolerance“ freedom etc to spread their intolerance, ancient thinking etc

My original statement that you replied to was this "Theres another chance for "healing"...give them full human rights". 

I can't believe I have to say this but no you cannot heal someone by conquering them. In that case you would be the one that needs healing 

[StarStruck]

6 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Thinking Hamas can destroy Israel is equally deluded. They can just poke at it. Not more. When ur president of Russia you cannot afford a superpower at your backdoor. NATO is mostly USA, not just Europe and USA has illegally invaded countries and bombed civilians so it is not so crazy to think they might be a threat. Technically USA in the last 30 years has been equally if not more involved in wars compared to Russia

In the same way David couldn’t defeat Goliath? LoL

[Twentyfirst]

[PurpleTree]

You say all this yet you say lgbt is „not normal“

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

You say all this yet you say lgbt is „not normal“

Yup