New War In Israel / Gaza

[Merkabah Star]

23 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

We were especially loved and hugged by the world in 7.10 and 8.10 and 9.10. Until we invade Gaza. 

World's opinion is like a roller coaster and it will be changed once again to Israel's favor once the terror reach their doorstep.

I don’t think your country was being adored by the world prior to the attack. Human rights abuses are frowned upon by the greater world at large. 

[Vrubel]

2 hours ago, _Archangel_ said:

1 hour ago, _Archangel_ said:

Jew have been often ostracized and hated but this shouldn't morph into a the victim card that you play whenever you are accused of something.

The reality is that most people go way overboard and easily get all obsessive, ugly and yes: anti-semitic. Ignorance and malicious hate are inherent in extreme ideology whether rightwing or leftwing. Of both of these groups, Jews or the Jewish state are the key target. Both have their own simplistic and dogmatic narrative and the role Jews/Israelis play in them. Also, both of these groups think of themselves as incredibly righteous and as fighting evil. 

My bar to consider someone anti-Semitic is very high but for example, Hamas support-and-sympathizing is a dead giveaway. I know that sometimes people get accused of anti-Semitism for absurd reasons. Like J.K. Rowling for the Harry Potter bankers. That's just absurd and petty. Also, considering that Rowling is very sympathetic toward Jews and Israel.
But If you're one of those people who is obsessed with Israel, you have pretty much no choice but to integrate the truth of Israel's right and dignity. Not doing so is a slippery slope to becoming the thing you hate most. 

And oh boy is this issue an obsession for you people. Why do you think Piers Morgan has like a million of practically the same debate videos on the topic. 

Edited March 12 by Vrubel

[_Archangel_]

@Vrubel Yes, but notice how what you just wrote can describe what part of the ruling class in Israel think of Paestinians.
Don't portray Israelis as harmless lambs who have the whole world against them for no reason. 
As i wrote above, reasons are evident for disliking israel operations.

[Danioover9000]

@_Archangel_

1 minute ago, _Archangel_ said:

@Vrubel Yes, but notice how what you just wrote can describe what part of the ruling class in Israel think of Paestinians.
Don't portray Israelis as harmless lambs who have the whole world against them for no reason. 
As i wrote above, reasons are evident for disliking israel operations.

   I agree exactly with this post. great example to parallel Israel's situation, is if you compare Israel to Mexico. It's very likely the cartel still rules Mexico behind the scenes all the way up to it's government, Obviously from what I've read so far, nobody on the pro Palestinian side is attacking Israel as a whole, but only against the ruling class, the right wing Zionists instead. So really we're fighting and criticizing the cartels and not so much all of Mexico.

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

36 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

The reality is that most people go way overboard and easily get all obsessive, ugly and yes: anti-semitic. Ignorance and malicious hate are inherent in extreme ideology whether rightwing or leftwing. Of both of these groups, Jews or the Jewish state are the key target. Both have their own simplistic and dogmatic narrative and the role Jews/Israelis play in them. Also, both of these groups think of themselves as incredibly righteous and as fighting evil. 

My bar to consider someone anti-Semitic is very high but for example, Hamas support-and-sympathizing is a dead giveaway. I know that sometimes people get accused of anti-Semitism for absurd reasons. Like J.K. Rowling for the Harry Potter bankers. That's just absurd and petty. Also, considering that Rowling is very sympathetic toward Jews and Israel.
But If you're one of those people who is obsessed with Israel, you have pretty much no choice but to integrate the truth of Israel's right and dignity. Not doing so is a slippery slope to becoming the thing you hate most. 

And oh boy is this issue an obsession for you people. Why do you think Piers Morgan has like a million of practically the same debate videos on the topic. 

   What you're just written the equivalent of painting all pro Palestinian supporters as attacking all of Israel, and not just against Netanyahu and his Zionists only. That's like painting their side as attacking all of Mexico, instead of just only the cartels ruling behind the scenes, and you criticizing just the portion of people directly fighting the cartels as terrorists but not freedom fighters.

[Merkabah Star]

12 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:

@Vrubel Yes, but notice how what you just wrote can describe what part of the ruling class in Israel think of Paestinians.
Don't portray Israelis as harmless lambs who have the whole world against them for no reason. 
As i wrote above, reasons are evident for disliking israel operations.

Any criticism of the Israel narrative and you just hit the high bar they hold, so,  welcome to antisemitism land. It’s a blanket white wash to deflect. 

[Vrubel]

17 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:

@Vrubel Yes, but notice how what you just wrote can describe what part of the ruling class in Israel think of Paestinians.
Don't portray Israelis as harmless lambs who have the whole world against them for no reason. 
As i wrote above, reasons are evident for disliking israel operations.

I am telling you an important truth on a particular issue. You seem like an intelligent person so you can add that to your total understanding. 

[Merkabah Star]

54 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

And oh boy is this issue an obsession for you people. Why do you think Piers Morgan has like a million of practically the same debate videos on the topic. 

Yeah, war crimes, extreme collective punishments and genocidal intent is pretty high on peoples radars. I know you want us to ignore it. Thanks to smart phones it can’t be hidden like other conflicts. 

[Vrubel]

3 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

Yeah, war crimes, extreme collective punishments and genocidal intent is pretty high on peoples radars. I know you want us to ignore it. Thanks to smart phones it can’t be hidden like other conflicts. 

You're only proving my point.

[Merkabah Star]

4 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

You're only proving my point.

But you are obsessive and going way overboard. Anytime people post things you don’t like you call this thread toxic and have said it reminds you of the Islamic republic of Iran on here. You report people to the mods like a child. Thats going way overboard. Look in the mirror. 

[Vrubel]

1 minute ago, Merkabah Star said:

But you are obsessive and going way overboard. Anytime people post things you don’t like you call this thread toxic and have said it reminds you of the Islamic republic of Iran on here. You report people to the mods like a child. Thats going way overboard. Look in the mirror. 

Nice lash out, even further proving my point. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

5 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Nice lash out, even further proving my point. 

 

   Dude you're also proving his point! I don't get it with this projection arguments from both sides!😭

[Merkabah Star]

36 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

Nice lash out, even further proving my point. 

 

Sure man. 😂😂

[Bobby_2021]

5 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

@Bobby_2021 that’s the population for Gaza city. 😀 you clearly aren’t Israeli as that’s a rookie mistake. 

Cool. That doesn't make me wrong anyway and even it was that doesn't do anything to refute my larger point.

Why would I need to be Israeli to say all this? How does that come about? 😭

5 hours ago, _Archangel_ said:

We are so invested in it because, in a sense, this conflict talks about Us, westerners, and our internal political and social conflict.

US was pretty much invested in the Saudi conflict. They were backing saudi like they are doing Israel right now, even though Biden pulled out of it in 2021. Still they didn't get any large flack for it. 

5 hours ago, _Archangel_ said:

Division create discussion. Put in the mix Antisemitism and Islamophobia and you have a bomb.

So you do agree that the media & public outcry about Israel has to do with the state of political division within your own country rather than the humanitarian crisis that's actually going on in gaza. 

Media is using the humanitarian crisis for political gain. That's even more despicable. 

[Bobby_2021]

4 hours ago, Nivsch said:

We were especially loved and hugged by the world in 7.10 and 8.10 and 9.10. Until we invade Gaza. 

World's opinion is like a roller coaster and it will be changed once again to Israel's favor once the terror reach their doorstep.

They will support you as long as you are willing to be a doormat and let those people wreck Israeli citizens. 

The moment you take control of the situation to stop this bullshit, they hate you. Western liberals in a nut shell. 

[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The moment you take control of the situation to stop this bullshit, they hate you. Western liberals in a nut shell. 

They take their privilege of living in a democracy totally for granted. They have too much free time to fantasize on the bad guy who represents their lower stages values they subconsciously crave and symphatize with him unproportionally. They can only learn in the hard way.

Edited March 13 by Nivsch

[zazen]

The reason why Israel/Palestine are so popular compared to other world conflicts (Yemen, Sudan) come down to the stakes, sacredness, story, distinctness and time.

The stakes of the players involved or who could potentially get involved are higher (Iran) leading to a regional war with global ripple effects due to being in a geopolitically strategic region full of resources the world depends on (the global economy hinges upon and is sensitive to energy prices)

The land is sacred to the abrahamic faiths which make up over half the world’s population. Large civilisational stories are clashing and weaving their prophecies into existence hastening their depiction of end times and return of prophets.

The story resonates along lines that many people relate with historically - racism, colonialism and the oppressor/oppressed frame which is taken to an extreme extent these days ie the disdain for power or hierarchy as bad. It’s not that power or who holds it is uniquely bad but the manner of how it’s used or wielded.

When distinctly different groups fight it’s more starkly visible compared to the murkiness of civil unrest which from the outside isn’t as clear and as is seen as internal conflict not to get involved in. 

The time the cause of the Palestinians has had to build over decades and soak into the psyche has been decades. Many global humanitarian groups, activists and journalists have established networks who’ve been covering it for a while. This inconvenient fact is overlooked by ultra Zionists as it goes against the narrative that October 7th started in a vacuum. Of course they’d rather emphasise much older times thousands of years back and make ancient claims as justification to the land.

Israel is the Wests creation and America’s baby. As the West control a lot of the global narrative of course the focus will be on what’s occurring there. A point unique to Gaza is they have no where to flee and are caged into a small area where as in other places civilians can move to remote parts of their country where no conflict takes place.
 

That this conflict is live-streamed and one of the parties involved dehumanise, mock and uploads tik toks only further infuriates the world.

Edited March 13 by zazen

[Nivsch]

@zazen This is the most triggering conflict to the average reader around the world because this is the most tangible example of so different and far from each other values systems clash.

Edited March 13 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

This weekend Pro-Palestines were loudly protesting in front of the opening of the Dutch Holocaust Museum in Amsterdam. Like seriously have some respect for this very solemn occasion honoring murdered countrymen, survivors and the history - so crucial to your civilization and society.

It was opened in the presence of the Prime Minister, the King and the President of Israel which of course has drawn the demonstrations. btw the president of Israel is a very moderate and gentle person, making the protest all the more cringe-worthy and more like a middle finger to everything we stand for as an honorable self-respecting society. 

Edited March 13 by Vrubel

[Nivsch]

@Vrubel Gantz is also very moderate and I hope he will replace Bibi. He has the best chance right now and has a great support from the Israelis.

Edited March 13 by Nivsch