New War In Israel / Gaza

[Twentyfirst]

On 10/30/2023 at 1:11 AM, Twentyfirst said:

Hey Leo stop studying geopolitics this meme is enough to understand everything 

[Twentyfirst]

51 minutes ago, zazen said:

 

@lina True, why is it shocking that people resist? Over intellectualising and using spiral dynamic labels to paintball and colour code groups of people can trap us in making us think resistance is unique to a stage of development. People resist - their strategy, tactics and how they resist differ but they resist nonetheless.

When we get back to basics of survival humans are more alike than they are different - differences in ideaology, lifestyle and tastes appear once people have enough prosperity and peace to indulge them. A family in the same house can differ vastly in their diets, media and ideas they have. But put them or even a collection of different people of different backgrounds and stages of development under Palestinian or Gazan type living conditions and they will come together to be preoccupied with trying to resist their shared oppression despite their differences because that’s just a human thing to do, not a less developed or stage red thing lol. The same way Israeli society have come together for the time being after October 7th for security reasons.

Western countries are debating and complaining about an influx of immigration today. So we can imagine similar tensions with an influx of Jewish migration into Palestine which was majority Arab. What could have amplified it is the Balfour declaration being announced by the global power at the time which the Arabs felt threatened by and the subsequent state of Israel being realised.

 

Also a nuance that matters is what type or strand of Zionism people are talking about. One can easily support the right of a persecuted people to have a safe haven for themselves, but that support stops when it comes at the cost of displacing and persecuting people already existing there only to continue the cycle. You can support the sentiment but disapprove of the strategy in achieving it or in simpler terms understand the why but dismiss the how.

We have more developed COLORS than you so thats why we have no choice but to murder you. Clown show

[Danioover9000]

   I advice you watch this video in full, but between 14:00 to 15:00 Destiny confesses he's pro genocide:

   So, you got to ask yourself why is this guy so popular in the online spaces given his immoral take here, and why the world isn't taking the negative side effects of online drama, and online internet cultures seriously? Why are even big tech companies letting big content creators steal from smaller content creators, letting reactor community saturate the market with their lazy content creation? And why isn't Destiny getting canceled and censored from this? If this is a shining example of a future role modal then it's sick and twisted.

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@zazen

   Such a great post.

Thank you 😄

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

We have more developed COLORS than you so thats why we have no choice but to murder you. Clown show

Not only more developed colours but all of them as we see waved around on the LGBT flag. Imagine that was used to represent and bring spiral dynamics to mass consciousness lol

[Vrubel]

5 hours ago, danniel said:

@Vrubel  but how will it be achieved? The true purpose of Zionism? I genuinely wish to understand. Does it means Zionists want a land in map known as "Greater Israel"?

If this is the case (correct me if I am wrong) would it mean, the next lands needed to reach that goal would be entire Lebanon and/or half of Iraq?

Israel has no desire to annex Lebanon or Iraq. Most Israelis don't really want to control Palestinians either but they kinda have-to to maintain security. It's a catch-22 and a cycle of violence. I think that only a concrete peace agreement can solve this situation but that will be somewhere in the distant future given the current situation.  

4 hours ago, danniel said:

personally this seems less than removing terrorist group, and more like ethnic cleansing now

What you're seeing is Israel not tip-toeing around Hamas tactics anymore because they are so pissed and serious now after 7/10, still not an ethnic cleansing though. 
Despite everything you can tragically state the fact that Israel cares more for the civilians of Gaza than Hamas, who were supposed to be their elected government.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Vrubel

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

   After doing some tonality and body language analysis, she's performing, and lying on camera. often as she speaks and illustrates she looks left a lot, Likely some tele prompter or some bill she's reading points from. Also,  at 0:37 to 0:40, when she say's "Palestinians can actually freely-" she shoulder shrugs, right one shrugs more, followed by a no shake with head tilt and a micro eye flash(Typically for surprise, emphasis or social approval). Shrugging is epistemic, in that the person doesn't know, or doesn't believe in what they just said or did, or doesn't know and has nothing to add, in this case she doesn't know whether Palestinians are that free to arrive and leave Israel. Also another quick, softer shrug on Palestinians coming and going with pipe bombs or other weapons and emphasizing those negatively charged words. At 1;10 to 1;15 when she speaks of going to Bethlehem she complains she can't because of some terrorists, and loudly tuts(verbal, tonal negative sign similar to contempt and disgust, just strong disapproval). At 1;25 minute a big lip compression followed by an 'um'(verbal sign of feeling uncertainty, uncomfortableness or anxiety) with the lip compression seems like a withheld opinion, or that her subconscious mind is readying itself to say the very charged message from that board about the hospital that treats both Israeli and even Palestinians from Syria which starts from 1;33 to 1;40, listing those Syrian women ages 8 to 80(perfect number range, nothing suspicious with that), raped by ISIS terrorists(What does ISIS have to do with HAMAs or even Hezbollah?), followed by a long inhale, longer star at the tele prompter, and another lip compression followed by tongue licking lips(lip compression typically sign of defensiveness and increase in distress, and licking lips is very similar).

   Last 30 seconds was just performance, and a number of small smiles, tensed lipped smiles emphasizing, and implying that Israel HAS TO PERSUE 1 party state over Gaza and West Bank, or PLO ruins them. Last 8 seconds of her closing is massive dubious delight and her tone pitch increased a bit with a few quick nods and a small tensed smile and head tilt forwards. Dubious delight and pitch increase indicates to me she never really cared for this Israel/Palestine conflict, and she feels that she has gotten away with saying some very disturbing things on air, as if she's a little child that lied and KNEW she's getting away, and knew what she is doing is negative and immoral yet does so anyways, which is likely why she smiled like that at the end.

   So overall, a very biased and distorted reporting, for shock value and for clout chasing, she knew her messaging is bad, but performs as a reporter, and through her non-verbal and verbal leaks I can say she's performing and a bit of lying on camera, with some moments of distress and delight in what she's doing.

[Nivsch]

49 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nivsch

   After doing some tonality and body language analysis, she's performing, and lying on camera. often as she speaks and illustrates she looks left a lot, Likely some tele prompter or some bill she's reading points from. Also,  at 0:37 to 0:40, when she say's "Palestinians can actually freely-" she shoulder shrugs, right one shrugs more, followed by a no shake with head tilt and a micro eye flash(Typically for surprise, emphasis or social approval). Shrugging is epistemic, in that the person doesn't know, or doesn't believe in what they just said or did, or doesn't know and has nothing to add, in this case she doesn't know whether Palestinians are that free to arrive and leave Israel. Also another quick, softer shrug on Palestinians coming and going with pipe bombs or other weapons and emphasizing those negatively charged words. At 1;10 to 1;15 when she speaks of going to Bethlehem she complains she can't because of some terrorists, and loudly tuts(verbal, tonal negative sign similar to contempt and disgust, just strong disapproval). At 1;25 minute a big lip compression followed by an 'um'(verbal sign of feeling uncertainty, uncomfortableness or anxiety) with the lip compression seems like a withheld opinion, or that her subconscious mind is readying itself to say the very charged message from that board about the hospital that treats both Israeli and even Palestinians from Syria which starts from 1;33 to 1;40, listing those Syrian women ages 8 to 80(perfect number range, nothing suspicious with that), raped by ISIS terrorists(What does ISIS have to do with HAMAs or even Hezbollah?), followed by a long inhale, longer star at the tele prompter, and another lip compression followed by tongue licking lips(lip compression typically sign of defensiveness and increase in distress, and licking lips is very similar).

   Last 30 seconds was just performance, and a number of small smiles, tensed lipped smiles emphasizing, and implying that Israel HAS TO PERSUE 1 party state over Gaza and West Bank, or PLO ruins them. Last 8 seconds of her closing is massive dubious delight and her tone pitch increased a bit with a few quick nods and a small tensed smile and head tilt forwards. Dubious delight and pitch increase indicates to me she never really cared for this Israel/Palestine conflict, and she feels that she has gotten away with saying some very disturbing things on air, as if she's a little child that lied and KNEW she's getting away, and knew what she is doing is negative and immoral yet does so anyways, which is likely why she smiled like that at the end.

   So overall, a very biased and distorted reporting, for shock value and for clout chasing, she knew her messaging is bad, but performs as a reporter, and through her non-verbal and verbal leaks I can say she's performing and a bit of lying on camera, with some moments of distress and delight in what she's doing.

To me she looks very authentic 🤷‍♂️

She is just passionate thats all.

What is not true in what she said?

But ok everyone and how they feel.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

15 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

To me she looks very authentic 🤷‍♂️

She is just passionate thats all.

What is not true in what she said?

But ok everyone and how they feel.

   Character assassinating Palestinians, straw manning them, and siding with deep bias and preference, and she knows she's wrong yet does so. So I'd be careful assigning honesty or authenticity to a woman that heavily performs on camera in a very biased way. If you can't see through her deception then nothing I say will get through to you, neither do I care to explain something so fucking basic as lying and deceit to you.

[Nivsch]

19 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nivsch

   Character assassinating Palestinians, straw manning them, and siding with deep bias and preference, and she knows she's wrong yet does so. So I'd be careful assigning honesty or authenticity to a woman that heavily performs on camera in a very biased way. If you can't see through her deception then nothing I say will get through to you, neither do I care to explain something so fucking basic as lying and deceit to you.

OK Palestinians will just be angry on every Israeli who enter their zone and won't kill him at all and Israel has never treated wounded Syrians this is all lies.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

OK Palestinians will just be angry on every Israeli who enter their zone and won't kill him at all and Israel has never treated wounded Syrians this is all lies.

   Keep twisting what I say. Never said explicitly her statements were factually false, I said her body language and tonality, and how she weaponizes facts and factual events, has a dubious delight, high pitch and tense smile at the end betrays her knowing she's just performing, just for the clout chasing. She has little genuine desire to help Israeli and Palestinians. Keep defending her, knowing she's using your country's crisis, and dehumanizing Palestinians for views and clout, because that's what she thinks about you and your people, and the Palestinian people, clout gain and clicks and views for free, for her viewing, and for her pleasure, over yours.

[Nivsch]

Ok my impression was quite the opposite I felt honesty and warmth from her, but ok this is legitimate to feel different things from one another.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Nivsch

[Lila9]

9 hours ago, Nivsch said:

This woman speaks facts.

 

[Danioover9000]

@Lila9

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

This woman speaks facts.

 

Correction: This woman speaks facts weaponized by her agenda, bias and preferences, and has a guilty pleasure and dubious delight in selling you lies disguised as facts:

 

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Nivsch

   After doing some tonality and body language analysis, she's performing, and lying on camera. often as she speaks and illustrates she looks left a lot, Likely some tele prompter or some bill she's reading points from. Also,  at 0:37 to 0:40, when she say's "Palestinians can actually freely-" she shoulder shrugs, right one shrugs more, followed by a no shake with head tilt and a micro eye flash(Typically for surprise, emphasis or social approval). Shrugging is epistemic, in that the person doesn't know, or doesn't believe in what they just said or did, or doesn't know and has nothing to add, in this case she doesn't know whether Palestinians are that free to arrive and leave Israel. Also another quick, softer shrug on Palestinians coming and going with pipe bombs or other weapons and emphasizing those negatively charged words. At 1;10 to 1;15 when she speaks of going to Bethlehem she complains she can't because of some terrorists, and loudly tuts(verbal, tonal negative sign similar to contempt and disgust, just strong disapproval). At 1;25 minute a big lip compression followed by an 'um'(verbal sign of feeling uncertainty, uncomfortableness or anxiety) with the lip compression seems like a withheld opinion, or that her subconscious mind is readying itself to say the very charged message from that board about the hospital that treats both Israeli and even Palestinians from Syria which starts from 1;33 to 1;40, listing those Syrian women ages 8 to 80(perfect number range, nothing suspicious with that), raped by ISIS terrorists(What does ISIS have to do with HAMAs or even Hezbollah?), followed by a long inhale, longer star at the tele prompter, and another lip compression followed by tongue licking lips(lip compression typically sign of defensiveness and increase in distress, and licking lips is very similar).

   Last 30 seconds was just performance, and a number of small smiles, tensed lipped smiles emphasizing, and implying that Israel HAS TO PERSUE 1 party state over Gaza and West Bank, or PLO ruins them. Last 8 seconds of her closing is massive dubious delight and her tone pitch increased a bit with a few quick nods and a small tensed smile and head tilt forwards. Dubious delight and pitch increase indicates to me she never really cared for this Israel/Palestine conflict, and she feels that she has gotten away with saying some very disturbing things on air, as if she's a little child that lied and KNEW she's getting away, and knew what she is doing is negative and immoral yet does so anyways, which is likely why she smiled like that at the end.

   So overall, a very biased and distorted reporting, for shock value and for clout chasing, she knew her messaging is bad, but performs as a reporter, and through her non-verbal and verbal leaks I can say she's performing and a bit of lying on camera, with some moments of distress and delight in what she's doing.

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Lila9  BTW, body language analysis has a 70-80% likelihood of predicting behavior and subconscious tendencies in people, from how defensive they are to how they lie to themselves and others. I can tell you from observing and analyzing that footage that she's not telling the whole, truth, is misrepresenting facts and has a dubious delight in doing so. Fighting me on this is useless and frankly embarrassing. 

[Nivsch]

@Danioover9000 Her body language reflects her passionate position to the favor of Israel yes, but it doesn't invalidate her claims but rather maybe just expresses her genuine insights affected emotionally on her.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Nivsch

[kenway]

 

Shlomo Yitzchak getting out of Zionism.

Edited December 6, 2023 by kenway

[Danioover9000]

@kenway

35 minutes ago, kenway said:

 

Shlomo Yitzchak getting out of Zionism.

   Informative, thanks for sharing. Similar to when a racist gets out of racism.

[Nivsch]

6 hours ago, kenway said:

 

But what is the alternative at this moment?

To not do security checks?

Sorry but this is very naive.

If the settlements will stop from expanding and there will be an agreement the situation can be improved, but the palestinians has refused any proposal until now.

Just to blame one side is childish. There is a gordian knot which has to be solved.

The arresting he mention at the end is not just arresting of innocent people but hamas people.

But what if the line is not always clear between hamas people and civilians who just do uprising?

Sometimes the differentiating can be difficult, but in the other hand, what do you want IDF to do to not arrest people being suspected as participate in terror? 

Oh but thats exactly what have been done in Gaza. No arresting of anybody and anything for 18 years. And what we have got in return? exactly.

But Ok keep playing to the other side's hands with this simplistic conclusions from your safe (for meanwhile at least...) home in canada and france.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Nivsch

[lina]

18 hours ago, Nivsch said:

No.

Hell no.

Have never heard about this desire here in Israel.

There are people who want all the west bank and part of gaza strip and they are Ben Gvir's party in the far right-wing and maybe one more party to the at most.

 I understand most Israelis are not really planning for a greater Israel, but one thing the Israeli state has proven over time is that they use land grab as a method of "self-defense", which means if for any reason in the future Egypt, Iraq, Syria or Lebanon thought of attacking Israel, they will definitely find an excuse to expand to 'Greater Israel'. Notice when some Israelis talk about Egyptian Sinai, they would say something like "we gave up Sinai for peace", as if it was theirs to begin with! 

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

But what is the alternative at this moment?

To not do security checks?

Sorry but this is very naive.

Yup that what happens when someone starts a circle of violence, it keeps dragging them into more and more 'unwanted' violence under the inevitable need for 'self-defense'.  

In response to your mention of the Canadian journalist video, does that mean you no longer support the 2 state solution? because my understanding was that you found settlements to be "problematic". 

[lina]

14 hours ago, Vrubel said:

What you're seeing is Israel not tip-toeing around Hamas tactics anymore because they are so pissed and serious now after 7/10, still not an ethnic cleansing though. 

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/03/netanyahu-thin-gaza-population/#:~:text=Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,the late Republican billionaire Sheldon 

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has tasked his top adviser, Ron Dermer, the minister of strategic affairs, with designing plans to “thin” the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip “to a minimum,” according to a bombshell new report in an Israeli newspaper founded by the late Republican billionaire Sheldon"

If that's the case can you please explain why Netanyahu seem to think otherwise? Also, why is Israel preventing aid and food into Gaza? 

Edited December 7, 2023 by lina