Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) @Karmadhi I understand you. He is an extremist like Ben Gvir and Betzal'el 😶🌫️ But hamas are nazis. These extremist politicians are underdeveloped but still not to the same extent. They wouldnt kill in their own hands. Edited October 30, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 @Karmadhi Genocide on Gaza is within the realm of justice, the only reason they are not getting wiped out is because of the grace and mercy of the Israelis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Nivsch said: But hamas are nazis. These extremist politicians are underdeveloped but still not to the same extent. They wouldnt kill in their own hands. Both call out for genocide of the other group. Being incinerated is not any more humane than dying by a machete you know... I understand you got animals in every country but how are these people elected in office? You think countries like Germany would allow people saying such things to be in office? This is what shocks me. It makes me loose respect for the collective moral development of Israeli society because such people would never be elected in the West. Of course not saying all Israelis are like this... First thing Israel should do after the war is ditch all these animals from their politics and replace them with orange/green guys that actually value all human life... I do not see things improving with these current politicians.. Edited October 30, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Vrubel said: Genocide on Gaza is within the realm of justice, the only reason they are not getting wiped out is because of the grace and mercy of the Israelis. You realize half of them are innocent kids that do not even know anything about politics. How can you guys be so inhumane in a personal development forumn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Vrubel said: @Karmadhi Genocide on Gaza is within the realm of justice, the only reason they are not getting wiped out is because of the grace and mercy of the Israelis. Genocide of innocents is within the realm of justice? If you take Hamas to represent all Gazans, then by your logic it could be taken that extremist Israeli politicians represent everyday Israelis. Their is no law for genocide or ‘defence’ through genocide - but there is law for an occupied people to resist even with arms. All countries have laws, most have the rule of law, and few are outlaws - Israel is one such case. Edited October 30, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 @Karmadhi@zazen To be clear I don't want genecoide. I am offering you a nice perspective to contemplate on this personal development forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Vrubel said: @Karmadhi@zazen To be clear I don't want genecoide. I am offering you a nice perspective to contemplate on this personal development forum. Do you condemn terrorism (going be the below googled definition) ? Definition: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Edited October 30, 2023 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vrubel said: To be clear I don't want genecoide. I am offering you a nice perspective to contemplate on this personal development forum. Well it is not a perspective, you are objectivally wrong due to international laws. Sadly Israelis do not seem to recognize they exist and create their own system of justice. Genocide and wiping out of innocent non combatants is a war crime. War crimes are not justice. Humanity evolved past these barbarities. Such a perspective will put you in prison for war crimes. Edited October 30, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nabd said: once you are comparable to your enemy then you already lost. Beautifully said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 40 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: How can such animals be elected in a "first world democracy"? Do you call islamists animals too though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Karmadhi said: Humanity evolved past these barbarities. Obviously not. Every human is an animal. Humans are animals. You are an animal. The world is governed by animals. 3 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Well it is not a perspective, you are objectivally wrong due to international laws. International law is not a measure of objectivity. Following international law is easy If you fight in an open field with a respectable enemy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, PurpleTree said: Do you call islamists animals too though? I do not recall palestine being considered a "first world democracy". Neither does it recieve any Western support. Also its citizens live like animals due to Israeli occupasion. Do not ignore these. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Tell me more about the "symmetry" between Israelis and Palestinians. "Palestinians can go freely to the Israeli side, but if Israelis go to the other side they will die." A canadian journalist about her visit in Israel (2014). https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy-vLBOta1P/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Edited October 30, 2023 by Nivsch 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: Also its citizens live like animals due to Israeli occupasion. Do not ignore these. Due to their stage on the spiral. 🌻 Thinking independently about the spiral stages themselves is important for going through them in an organic, efficient way. If you stick to an external idea about how a stage should be you lose touch with its real self customized process trying to happen inside you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 I personally do not condemn Israel for bombing, because that is how wars are fought. During WW2, when allied forces were bombing Dresden and Berlin, whom do you think they were killing, S.S. troops, generals? They were killing innocent civilians. When US threw an atomic bomb n Hiroshima and Nagasaki, wee you aware that those were civilian areas and not military zones. What I am trying to say is that you fight war with people. It is people who elect their government. Look war is a terrible thing, but sometimes its terrible necessary. When i was a young kid, I approached a surgeon once, and asked him a question, coming form a kid, how can he cut people with a scalp. He answered me that stick with me for the rest of my life. He said, "I have to hurt people in order to heal them". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Tell me more about the "symmetry" between Israelis and Palestinians... https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy-vLBOta1P/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== You can't convince anything of anyone like this because they don't believe in any accountability for Palestinians. Everything is Israel's fault because Zionism and these are the factors that lead Palestinians to develop their culture and values exactly this way. They could not have made any other choices and they currently cannot make any other choices either. Everything is up to Israel, and the solution is to give the Palestinians everything they demand NOW. How dare you give the Palestinians a state with buffer zones and safety contingencies? They should be free to do whatever they want now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, hundreth said: don't believe in any accountability for Palestinians. No I do not believe in any accountability for 5 year old kids which are half the ones dying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Karmadhi said: I do not recall palestine being considered a "first world democracy". Neither does it recieve any Western support. Also its citizens live like animals due to Israeli occupasion. Do not ignore these. What does being a „first world democracy“ have to do with being animals? you call one side „animals“ and the other not, i think it’s dangerous Edited October 30, 2023 by PurpleTree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said: I personally do not condemn Israel for bombing, because that is how wars are fought. Also the way Hamas killed Israelis was the usual way battles were fought in the past. Do you also not condemn them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: you call one side „animals“ and the other not, i think it’s dangerous Hamas are animals. Palestinian kids are not. Totally different actors. It is not like Hamas people are the ones mostly dying. I would have no issue if that was the case. Also Hamas does not get any western support. West is supposed to support the good humane guys, not animals. Edited October 30, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
