Why does karma punish people like this?

[thisintegrated]

5 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I agree a lot with whatever @Loba says. Karma exists. Good leads to good and bad leads to bad. You might not want to imagine karmic judger Gods but think of it as a Universe as an everflowing stream of consciousness that has already laid down the rules that comply with morality and when these rules are not obeyed the consequences of such immoral deviations are felt automatically like tectonic plates during an earthquake.

Try reading what I wrote too.

And try to refute the last bit you quoted.

[Proserpina]

Karma comes.  Its comes intimately, its comes like a good friend who knows what is best for you. It can come as a person, or a force.  Energy work.  Subtle forces are always at work, behind the scenes. 

[thisintegrated]

15 minutes ago, Loba said:

That's a good description of it.  I can't really explain it better than that.  If they are interested, I can only offer the route to getting there which is to look at your death accurately.  Literally get up close and personal with it as a phenomenon that is right there, waiting, and within it holds the records of the actions that you have taken in life.  Depending on the energetic output you get from it, you can make tweaks into how you want your actions to move you.  If there is something negative, you can record it in whatever form it takes for you.  The thing is, when it comes to karma, just like spirituality, it is individualized, so even how it manifests is going to be symbolically different for each person.

The only way to get there, to really get into the underpinnings of karma is to face your actions head on in some form and see what they have to say directly, debate generally won't do anything and it's just more outwards looking processes - totally the wrong alignment for witnessing karma - and it can come about in many ways - entities, energies, signs, a feeling in your gut, etc.  It is the same inwards process as remote viewing.  Do that, only with your death.

You should really start listening to Bashar.

Feelings get you thinking in the right general direction, but they fail at accuracy.

You're right in that something like karma exists, but your vocabulary and interpretations are way off.  What does exist is better referred to as "vibration" or "law of attraction".  "You can only experience that which you are a vibration of".  That's how reality works, but this has absolutely nothing to do with Karma, even though the general idea you were subconsciously connecting to was correct.

Fi is great at some stuff, but alone it's out of balance.  The Ti stuff I talk about, which you hate, isn't optional.

Edited November 14, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Proserpina]

There are people who act as a vessels for karma.  If they value their peace of mind they must act in right action and so they act out as karmic vessels.  They work with energy.  They intimately understand the process, ways and attitude of karma.  

[thisintegrated]

16 minutes ago, Loba said:

I've listened to some of his stuff, but I can't afford his full lectures.

Well I wouldn't expect anyone to fly to one of his talks just to see him in person.  Watching him on youtube is just as good.

 

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As for inaccuracy - I can draw from my inner well and make changes, but the task of explaining it to another person or even putting into words what I am feeling/seeing is not always easy.  It's taking something that is often an outwards manifestation i.e., I don't just sit with ideas or emotions, but I see it working within the world as a force of activity, but then putting it down in a way that that makes sense is hard.  And for me, when I do my work, it is so deep within my own process, that I will get clues and easter eggs that are only things that make sense to me.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"

 

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I've heard of both of these terms, but haven't looked into them in any great degree.  I will take a look.  Meanwhile, take a look at karma and see if you can find it working when you do your remote viewing, wait for when death calls to you and see what it has to say.  They could be one and the same, but just with different terminology.  I believe they are probably all intertwined.  Karma could just be another term for the same thing.

As arrogant as it will sound, I am too aware to "believe" in karma.  I'm aware of myself as God, and of everything I create on levels beyond the ego, as God.  I can directly feel every consequence of every action I make, and how I'm the one who decides what those consequences are.

I would suggest you try to see if there's any correlation at all between your own morals and what you get punished for.  I think you'll find they're one and the same thing.

 

8 minutes ago, Proserpina said:

There are people who act as a vessels for karma.  If they value their peace of mind they must act in right action and so they act out as karmic vessels.  They work with energy.  They intimately understand the process, ways and attitude of karma.  

I feel like you're just throwing words out there without really knowing what you're saying.

I'm an energy worker.  I understand all the terms.  Still no idea what you're trying to say.

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by thisintegrated

[Proserpina]

6 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

I feel like you're just throwing words out there without really knowing what you're saying.

I'm an energy worker.  I understand all the terms.  Still no idea what you're trying to say.

What happened to you recently?  You used to be kinder in your posting.  I'm just assuming that lately, you've been going through something.  You've given me nothing to respond to here, you've just made a global attack on the sourcing of my writings and I'm not sure how to respond to this or whether it merits a response from me. 

[thisintegrated]

8 minutes ago, Proserpina said:

What happened to you recently?  You used to be kinder in your posting.  I'm just assuming that lately, you've been going through something.  You've given me nothing to respond to here, you've just made a global attack on the sourcing of my writings and I'm not sure how to respond to this or whether it merits a response from me. 

You're right, my bad.

It's my meds + stress from losing thousands per day due to recession, lol

I never normally post sober, but I'm out of everything.

Edited November 14, 2022 by thisintegrated

[thisintegrated]

2 minutes ago, Loba said:

There isn't a correlation between my own morals, no.

Now that's not even possible.

So if you raped a child, you wouldn't get bad karma.

If you steal cash from your friend's house, you won't get bad karma?

 

4 minutes ago, Loba said:

she's one of the people here who's paths had a lot of common features.

What

 

5 minutes ago, Loba said:

I was told that manifestation in the name of desire over Love isn't the ingredient needed in order to transmute the energy I am working with.

And this didn't make any sense to you, personally?  This karma was forced upon you?

I think it's much more likely this reasoning is something you yourself came up with, something that resonated with you.  But not necessarily consciously, which I think is why you can't believe anyone claiming to have had experiences beyond the ego.  You're likely out of touch with the higher levels of your consciousness.  Being a Fi, you don't care too much about the mechanics of reality, but a deep interest in this is the only way to actually "wake up".  Fi serves your human needs, but becoming god isn't a human need, it's completely useless to you, as a human.  Enlightenment won't make your ego feel good, and it won't put food on the table, so it's not something that happens unless you REALLY work for it.  Unless you put years/decades of serious work into this, like me or Leo, you'll never understand what actualization is all about, and all this God talk will sound crazy.

 

[Heart of Space]

Guys, I understand why people would get upset watching this a little bit.  But just see it as the absurd spectacle that it is.  

You don't have to see it as this massively evil thing.  Cause it's not.  He's more just dumb and selfish.  The girl he's talking about is naïve and superficial.  

Basically, he's a rich douche.  Why all these talks of damnation through karma?  It's a bit of an overreaction.  

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Heart of Space

[Heart of Space]

@Loba  Are you certain that you aren't just creating karma yourself because you hold yourself to a higher standard?  

[Ulax]

Because, imo, karma is not about whether people get punished for their actions, instead they get punished by their actions.

You do not get punished by your anger, you get punished for your anger.

[Heart of Space]

@Loba  I won't lie, you come across very self-centered.  You write extremely long posts about yourself, your opinions, your perceptions.  Posts that most likely no one else reads fully.  They skim, because it's too cumbersome to read them.  

You don't realize this apparently because you're too busy feeling yourself.   I literally just see a wall of text "me me me me  me me my opinions me me me me me me me."  But imagine as long as your posts. 

You could easily be more concise.  And you would be if you actually cared about having a decent two way conversation on this forum. But you probably don't, you have bad case of the spiritual narcissism.  

Edited November 14, 2022 by Heart of Space

[something_else]

10 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

Posts that most likely no one else reads fully

Generally, @Loba's posts are some of the only long posts I actually dedicate time to read properly on here. They are usually pretty insightful and balanced.

Edited November 14, 2022 by something_else

[Proserpina]

@Heart of Space

I don't find that to be true at all.  Loba's writing is self-reflective and humorous.  Her writing is bulky but enjoyable to read, she puts a lot of effort and skill into everything she does.  A true sign of a master. 

She doesn't seem narcissistic at all.  She takes into consideration everyone's path and encourages everyone to go inward.  She's very patient and loving. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Proserpina

[Heart of Space]

@Loba  Snake girl is cute, right? 

She wouldn't care that much.  She literally has a news video on YouTube with 700k views where she's the focal point.  She's had a small internet presence.  Honestly, she'd probably appreciate that I still think of her.  Why the judgement when I was trying to share some of the females I've dated and then explore their personalities and takeaways from the experience?  

I guess there's always a concern of one of you being a creepy cyberstalker, but I don't think it would matter.  

I had like 5 more good ones too like that. 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Heart of Space

[Tyler Robinson]

5 minutes ago, KH2 said:

There are a lot of people here who are not improving at all, and yet they write long walls of texts

Maybe just focus on yourself instead of riling up others. 

 

[Heart of Space]

I just got out of a relationship and have too much time on my hands.  And I thought I'd grace this forum with my presence.  You guys should all consider yourselves lucky.   

I'm not a bad guy.  

If this was game of thrones I just put myself at the bottom of the social hierarchy of this forum.  That makes me upset, because I like to think of myself like little finger.  He was a great character, although he could have acted more pure towards Sansa to be honest.  

[something_else]

12 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

I just got out of a relationship and have too much time on my hands.  And I thought I'd grace this forum with my presence.  You guys should all consider yourselves lucky.   

I'm not a bad guy.  

If this was game of thrones I just put myself at the bottom of the social hierarchy of this forum.  That makes me upset, because I like to think of myself like little finger.  He was a great character, although he could have acted more pure towards Sansa to be honest.  

You're exceptionally narcissistic. It's not even an insult because I expect you would agree with that statement, lol.

[Heart of Space]

@something_else  Probably a lot less then you think.  A lot less.  

Don't read too much into my personality by my posts.  

[Heart of Space]

I think some things are going to change around here.