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The 5-MeO-DMT Mega-Thread

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@ValiantSalvatore @Serotoninluv As far as I know, none of the claims about this subject has been proved in any fashion.

It's been known for a long while that sensory deprivation for extended period of time can cause hallucinations. Are these hallucinations caused by the release of DMT in our brain?


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Breathing out, I smile.

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@Serotoninluv yes, I was not aware of that 5-meo-dmt is the substance and dmt the chemical.
 

 

@FredFred Here is one report. From this guys school above.


Shinzen also talks about long periods in darkness he did a 100 days isolation in darkness and reported seeing people as insects afterwards so I am a bit scared. Another guy on the forum I wrote told me he stopped after 4 days.

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Just now, ValiantSalvatore said:

@Serotoninluv yes, I was not aware of that 5-meo-dmt is the substance and dmt the chemical

They are both chemicals - different chemical structures.

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12 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

I think the brain naturally produces DMT  after extended periods in darkness, not 5-meo-dmt. 

@Serotoninluv

 

Apparently it does both according to man tak chia, first produces 5-MeO Dmt and then DMT

Apparently, one week is needed. 

 

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@ValiantSalvatore for sure weird stuff would happen after a week in darkness, but to say that it's specifically because 5-MeO-DMT and DMT are being produced in your brain is a stretch. That's not based on any kind of measurement, just some guys gut feeling - which could be correct! But is likely not.

Anyways, if I was looking for a 5-MeO-DMT experience specifically, I would just get some 5-MeO-DMT rather than spend a week in the dark hoping to get some for "free".


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@outlandish I don't know. When a neuroscience consultant and many others say that stuff happens. Then I am quite sure something will happen. Why is a different discussion in which I certainly do not have the credentials. So, I am left to do my own testing and research. 

1 hour ago, outlandish said:

Anyways, if I was looking for a 5-MeO-DMT experience specifically, I would just get some 5-MeO-DMT rather than spend a week in the dark hoping to get some for "free".

That is not my point, I was searching for an alternative since it is illegal here. Sure, I already "found" a way to get access to it, yet how safe it is is a different story. 

One quote from my teacher is "Enlightenment is becoming comfortable in the dark". Many masters have already done this apparently, so I was curious. So, I was thinking about this quote for some time.

Otherwise, it would combine even both, a retreat and a 5-MeO experience, so it could even be more powerful for free. Yet, these retreats still cost money. Also, you could do 5-MeO and do a retreat, so you could even compare when you do both what you prefer or which is more powerful. In case dark room retreats work like that, I did not dive into any research or high-quality material, besides the videos above. 

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Today is day 9. This goes way waaay beyond anything I have contextualized or imagined as a human form . I am in utter awe of the power of this molecule and the absolute enormity of potential. The image that comes to mind is like going from an ant to a human. Not only is this an unfathomable jump in consciousness, there is also the realization beyond the ant hill and that there is much much more out there. Now I return to ant form. Why even bother trying to contextualize this in such a limited mind form? I’m so curious how high baseline consciousness can go. 

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47 minutes ago, Jed Vassallo said:

@Serotoninluv   Are you still doing the 1-3mg daily , to come to these insights, or did you up the dose and frequency? 

Once per day for days 1-7, skipped day 8 (just felt right to skip), once day 9. Same amounts/effects. I haven’t noticed any tolerance build up. I may try twice for a day - morning and evening.

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On 16.05.2019 at 7:07 PM, outlandish said:

That's not based on any kind of measurement, just some guys gut feeling - which could be correct! But is likely not.

I would say rather its really likely

 

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Sunday I did 13 or 14mgs of 5 MEO freebase, sandwiched with mullein leaves.

Reached what I like to call "stage 3" of breakthrough. As I have reached breakthrough in the past, being that all ego and thought completely dissipated, and only true "Reality" remained (with a capitol R) . But this time, it was deeper than all the other times that I did it.

When "I" came back. All I could think of was :

"There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  There is no self.  "

And 

"The self is a delusion.  The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. The self is a delusion. "

As if I wanted to shout it from the mountaintops for all to hear.

The afterglow was particularly intense as well. About 45 minutes. I made sure that I remained in bilateral symmetry. And kept on seeing glimpses and shards of what I saw before my ego returned.   

I feel inspired to make a song with just these lyrics. Cause why not.

What a beautiful experience that was.

It's always interesting how the mind can't remember with full clarity the god state. I am still going to do plugging , but haven't had a good opportunity to do so just yet. I'm curious, if the god-head state on plugging is 45 minutes, I take it that it may be easier to remember/integrate, but am curious how long THAT afterglow is?

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"No one can pass the gateless gate. So be no one."

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@nowimhere Yeah, been there.

Plugging can last as long as 1-2 hrs. Usually closer to 1 hr.

You struggle to remember it because it is not a memory but the very present moment. So any memory of it will not be it. You can't capture Nothingness in any way. It must be located NOW, NOW, NOW. No symbols can be used.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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@nowimhere  A memory of “it” is simply an appearance Now. That memory can get further contextualized as an experience with meaning by the mind. This memory/experience/contextualiztion isn’t Nothingness. However, the memory/experience/contextualization may have benefit to the human mind and body. I try to maintain awareness of whether attachments and identifications form with the memory/experience/contextualization - because that can lead to a contracted mental state. 

I haven’t smoked 5-meo, yet I have vaped freebase and plugged HCL. Vaping is much shorter in duration with a milder afterglow. Yet, vaping offers the ability to modulate the intensity/experience in real time. For me, plugging duration is usually about 20 of full immersion and about 40min. of afterglow. Yet it’s a gradual process, there isn’t a “switch” from immersion to afterglow.

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