what would u do if u got diagnosed with a terminal mental illness?

[happyhappy]

what would u guys do if u suddenly got diagnosed with a terminal mental illness like psychosis ( schizophrenia)?

what 'd ur reaction be?

how will u cope with it?

[Nivsch]

Trying to figure out the root cause. Genetics is not enough to make a really hard disorder. Epi-genetics is much more important and it talks about how your environment and your actions turn on/off genes expressions.

Even tough there are phisycal factors too (nutrition, heavy metals and much more) the term "illness" is still measliding and not apropriate in my opinion in mental issues difficult as they are.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Nivsch

[zurew]

I would try to get more feedback from other psychologists or psychiatrists as well, because sometimes it is a misdiagnosis. After that, if all feedback is pointing towards that i have this x mental illness, then I would try to learn about it deeply, learn about how it works, what are all the best coping mechanisms that i could use, making myself more aware how to handle it.

Learn about all the factors that can make it worse or better to make a map for myself how to be able to deal with it.

I would contemplate about what advantages can this particular mental illness give me, and what are the bad parts of having this mental illness (in other words what are the things and desires i need to let go of, and what are the things, that are easier thanks to this mental illness).

 

[PurpleTree]

i would probably research cutting edge therapy, medication etc.

but then also just try to enjoy my life as good as possible

[Inliytened1]

11 hours ago, happyhappy said:

what would u guys do if u suddenly got diagnosed with a terminal mental illness like psychosis ( schizophrenia)?

what 'd ur reaction be?

how will u cope with it?

its not really terminal in the physical sense.  There is medication for schizophrenia.

[puporing]

I believe those are highly treatable/healable conditions if done right and root cause is being addressed, not to diminish what the person is going through. It can be a complex process but generally speaking nurturing environment and ongoing therapy for starters. 

[Ulax]

I would probably explore alternative forms of healing.

Emotionally I'm not sure how I'd react. Breaks my heart that its the reality of some.

[PepperBlossoms]

I would take shrooms to see if I can get any insights into me (and/or my environment) creating and manifesting the illness or anything I can control/work on or if it is fully chemical/biological and out of my control.

I would want to see how much is in my control and that I can eliminate/change if any.

(I am not an expert in mental illness though and so I cannot vouch for if taking a mind altering substance would make one's situation worse...)

I would study epistemology and surround myself with people who have a huge variety of perspectives.  I would try to get more understanding of things.  I would read a lot of clinical psychology books.  I would study how other cultures think of and deal with the situation.

 

Edited March 22, 2022 by PepperBlossoms

[Yarco]

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Terminal illness or end-stage disease is a disease that cannot be cured or adequately treated and is reasonably expected to result in the death of the patient. 

Almost no mental illnesses are terminal. Terminal doesn't just mean life-long. The only mental illnesses that are terminal I can think of are Dementia / Alzheimers and severe depression (the latter assuming suicide is pretty much inevitable.)

If you're defining a terminal mental illness as just one you've got for life, that's most of them. Schizophrenia, autism, anxiety. Depends on the severity of it I guess. I guess technically I'm already probably living with multiple terminal mental illnesses according to this definition, but not bad enough that I want to bother seeking help. I guess the first steps would be therapy and medication.

[happyhappy]

@PepperBlossoms I watched the video and it was quite a radical one! but how would u study epistemology when there are paranoid delusions of soviets chasing you and hallucinations run ur day.  umm,I think  u wll see enough hallucinations without LSD or DMT if it was Schizophrenia and what's ur take on that mate?

2 hours ago, Yarco said:

If you're defining a terminal mental illness as just one you've got for life, that's most of them. Schizophrenia, autism, anxiety. Depends on the severity of it I guess. I guess technically I'm already probably living with multiple terminal mental illnesses according to this definition, but not bad enough that I want to bother seeking help. I guess the first steps would be therapy and medication.

yup! i initially defined it as a one that we've got for life.

BTW,

Do u really mean it when u say that u already have many of those illnesses? what makes u say that?

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

its not really terminal in the physical sense.  There is medication for schizophrenia.

medications only suppress the positive symptoms of schizophrenia. they do not heal per se. negative symptoms will probably still  be there if my research is correct.

@Nivschtrue! epi-genetic contributions can often be there for the onset of many conditions. but there still are unlucky ones who are born with altered brain structures where our technology is stone age in treating them.

Epi- genetics mostly affect in the childhood upbringing ig but, do u believe that environment changes can epi-genetically turn the switch off as well by the adult years?

@zurew a super stage yellow answer. loved it!

13 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

i would probably research cutting edge therapy, medication etc.

but then also just try to enjoy my life as good as possible

 

10 hours ago, Ulax said:

I would probably explore alternative forms of healing.

Emotionally I'm not sure how I'd react. Breaks my heart that its the reality of some.

 

10 hours ago, puporing said:

I believe those are highly treatable/healable conditions if done right and root cause is being addressed, not to diminish what the person is going through. It can be a complex process but generally speaking nurturing environment and ongoing therapy for starters. 

thank u all for ur replies! it really will help anybody going through a traumatic episode after a diagnosis. some may even be rethinking life. I too am at a point where i doubt whether I'm going insane or not.

[BipolarGrowth]

I would go on an eight year long spiritual quest culminating in a severe reduction of symptoms and need for medication. 
 

Wait a second, I already did that ?

[happyhappy]

2 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

I would go on an eight year long spiritual quest culminating in a severe reduction of symptoms and need for medication. 
 

Wait a second, I already did that ?

whoa... awesome mate!

first hand experience here ! <3

[Nivsch]

On 23.3.2022 at 5:38 AM, happyhappy said:

 

@Nivschtrue! epi-genetic contributions can often be there for the onset of many conditions. but there still are unlucky ones who are born with altered brain structures where our technology is stone age in treating them.

Epi- genetics mostly affect in the childhood upbringing ig but, do u believe that environment changes can epi-genetically turn the switch off as well by the adult years?

What is stone aged in my opinion is our attitude towards these mental conditions and the paradigm of outside solutions rather than to awake the patient to his own potential to nevigate his life in his own unique path throught the messages his brain sends to him and WITH them.

Every mental problem is our subconscious messages pushing us towards our own unique developmemt and to be more align with our authentic self. Genetics will influence the form of the symptoms absolutely but the form is only the external mask or disguise of the problem and not the real problem and/or its purpose.

Of course there are tons of physical factors that influence the volume of the signals of the problem and are very important to address but I think they are rarely the main source of it. 

For example, a heavy metal toxicity will have totally different outcome in the symptoms in every person and thats is affected by the genetics but again this is an excess to the problem but not the root.

I am not an expert at all in the epi genetic issue but I have impressed it can always influence your genetic experssion. Maybe during adulthood it is harder and requires longer process what makes sense to me.

Edited March 25, 2022 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

36 minutes ago, Benton said:

Oh and get on some god damn medication? these are not disorders where you can go without such things. If you need it, you need it.

This is cannot being said as such a black-white statement.

Every one will determin for HIMSELF what he can or can't do in his/her opinion.

For god sake for what do we have all this spirituality if in the end in the most important topic for a one's most fundamental well being the answer is "just take the pills". This is absurd and fortunately not true.

[happyhappy]

@Nivsch Yup! I think it is a trick question for environment  to tamper with genetics. age old debate of nature vs. nurture and current research that i hv read point towards an impact through both means. genetics are determined 99% in our birth. we can still change the environmental factors and couter balance genetic expressions. I think that is what u mean here. correct me if i got it ass backwards. thanks for sharing ur insights brother.

@BentonI too think that extreme cases are close to impossible to be dealt without meds under our current medical knowledge. I don't know where I would be without anti depressants in those depressed months. probably 6 feet below ground . and thank u soo much for sharing those kind words and experience. it would help anybody going through a difficult time.

Perhaps in the future, we shall have modalities that summon spiritual wisdom to the tables. holistic medical treatment has a long way to go...

[Nivsch]

17 minutes ago, Benton said:

Maybe so, but I definitely needed it. You could have considered me insane. I had completely lost touch with reality and was hardly able to communicate with those around me. If you have never experienced a state like this then you have no idea what I’m talking about. 
I only was able to function after some magic pills.

I understand the risks and drawbacks of medication; you should check out my post about medication and brain damage. But I didn’t have another choice besides medication. Like I said, if you haven’t experienced some of these mental states then you have no idea how bad it can be. People largely take for granted their normal mental states. And cannot understand their bias towards that if they havnt experienced states of insanity themselves.

Sorry to hear your suffering. In your case so yes I understand.

Generally speaking I understand there are times we need it especially of we dont have another tools/knowledge/support/etc, but what I mean is that you dont need them inherently (because of how you are built, your genetic or something like this). 

Again if you think you need, ok, thats your right to decide for yourself. I am just saying what i think.

I have ocd and i had panic attacks and very hard times so maybe not as you had but i can relate to some degree.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Nivsch

[zurew]

On 2022. 03. 26. at 9:05 PM, Nivsch said:

This is cannot being said as such a black-white statement.

Every one will determin for HIMSELF what he can or can't do in his/her opinion.

For god sake for what do we have all this spirituality if in the end in the most important topic for a one's most fundamental well being the answer is "just take the pills". This is absurd and fortunately not true.

I somewhat agree with your approach but not fully. My method would be learning a lot too, but because i am just a layman i can only go  so far. Maybe i am undermining how far i could go, but my approach would be this:

Firstly i would go with a conservative method, where i want to find all the best specialist doctors and ask them a lot of questions. I would try those methods out, and ask about the medicinies side effects carefully and i would decide if i can go with it or not.  I would also read about what could be the causing factors and search for speclialists in those fields as well. (The reason why i would start with the conservative doctors and methods is because conservative methods are the most tested ones, so i can know better what to expect from them)

If after all that, i am not satisfied with the solution i would go for alternative medicine and methods as well.(lets be it a conservative doctor or a shaman or anyone who understands that particular field much better than me).

Depending on  how serious  and urgent the problem is, most of the time people don't have time to sit around and read more and more to figure out the solution for a complex health issue, so taking some pills could be the best solution in that situation because you don't know better. Taking pills can be very effective for different kind of health issues even if it comes with side effects. Sometimes taking pills can be the most secure way to deal with the problem, because it was most likely tested a dozen times before compared to alternative methods.

Sometimes the problem with an alternative approach is that it wasn't tested too much and there is not so much evidence you can find how effective certain methods are and what kind of problems certain methods can cause.

I like your learning approach though. Continous learning and studying about your health issue can help you out a lot for sure, to find better ways and to understand you situation better.

In my opinion the holistic approach would somewhat look like this:

• You decide that you learn about it as much as you possibly can, and you are willingly try any method or medicine (if you researched about them enough before) to try to solve your health problem.
• Reflecting on your life how much more you can max out your mental and physical health (making sure your basic system is in the right place)
• Trying to find correlations with other parts of you that you have never thought about before, how all your system can work together (what part can what effect on different parts).
• Asking the question if core of the problem is really there, where you are searching for it or  it is coming from somewhere else.
• Asking the question if it can have multiple different kind of causality factors so you can going through them one by one.

As much disagreement i have too as a layman with the conservative health system, i wanted to make points and shed light to the good parts of it as well.