Posted January 11, 2022 Do you have free will? My take is this: One is free to do whatever one wants barring physical limitations Your body and mind are your only limitations (also immense possibilities). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, tuku747 said: Free from what? Are you the captain of the ship or is your life determined by atomic interactions that you have no conscious control over? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, WokeBloke said: Do you have free will? My take is this: One is free to do whatever one wants barring physical limitations Your body and mind are your only limitations (also immense possibilities). yes and a big NO. I guess leo explained it better in his video my mini-blog! https://wp.me/PcmO4b-T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, WokeBloke said: Are you the captain of the ship or is your life determined by atomic interactions that you have no conscious control over? So, I appear to have will of some sort. But the Earth also appears to be willing me downwards. But my will is simultaneously the Earth's will, because I am the Earth. I am the entire Universe. So, I am willing myself towards the ground. If this will is all that exists... what is my will free from? Itself? Or nothing at all? You see, the term free-will implies there is something other than will to be free from. So, I don't just have free will. Will is totally unbounded. I am Infinite Will. And using this infinite will that I am, I will all of spacetime into existence, right now, forever. Edited January 11, 2022 by tuku747 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, WokeBloke said: Do you have free will? My take is this: One is free to do whatever one wants barring physical limitations Your body and mind are your only limitations (also immense possibilities). Do you prefer coffee or tea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 @WokeBloke are you free to do other than what occurs to you to do? Who decides what occurs to you? "I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said: @WokeBloke are you free to do other than what occurs to you to do? Who decides what occurs to you? What occurs to me to do is determined by my desire at any given moment. If my desires come from me then ultimately I am responsible for my desires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, WokeBloke said: What occurs to me to do is determined by my desire at any given moment. If my desires come from me then ultimately I am responsible for my desires. Did you choose your desires? Is a volcano 'responsible' for how it occurs in this world? From a certain perspective, you are slave to your desires, not free from them. "I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mason Riggle said: Did you choose your desires? Is a volcano 'responsible' for how it occurs in this world? From a certain perspective, you are slave to your desires, not free from them. I am not forced to act on my desires though. But also desiring is my nature. It's sort of like saying I am enslaved my my own being. At least though I am the prisoner and the prison. As long as I'm not imprisoned by something other than myself then I'm okay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 @WokeBloke "A puppet is free as long as he loves his strings." - Sam Harris The only way for you to act against your desires, is by having some greater desire to do so. "I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Mason Riggle said: @WokeBloke "A puppet is free as long as he loves his strings." - Sam Harris The only way for you to act against your desires, is by having some greater desire to do so. The problem with Sam Harris is he denies that he's also the puppet master. And indeed desire is my gas. But it's my gas after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, WokeBloke said: The problem with Sam Harris is he denies that he's also the puppet master. ^he's not though.. he's not 'pulling his own strings'.. Make a puppet.. put it's strings in it's hands and see if it dances. Sam Harris is behaving exactly as his internal and external conditions dictate. Even a rock is free to behave exactly like a rock. Do rocks have free will? If 'free will' just means that I behave like myself, then it really doesn't mean anything, because this is true of everything. Edited January 11, 2022 by Mason Riggle "I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 The question only arises from ignorance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2022 Do you have the free will to not philosophize constantly? It seems to be evidence of an automatic process to me. Everybody wanna be a mystic, but nobody wanna dissolve themselves to the point of a psych ward visit. https://youtu.be/5i5jGU9wn2M?si=-rXSAiT1MMZrdBtY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 12, 2022 When the answer to this question is arrived at, it will not be answered in the usual sense. It’ll be the dissolution of the framework within which such a question makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, The0Self said: When the answer to this question is arrived at, it will not be answered in the usual sense. It’ll be the dissolution of the framework within which such a question makes sense. So what would be your answer to help me arrive at your understanding? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, WokeBloke said: So what would be your answer to help me arrive at your understanding? The desire for truth + self honesty, especially if you don’t really desire truth — admitting that would be the first step to openness to truth, and in that sense of desire (authentic desire), you always get what you want, you just have to know what that is — and it’s easy to not know. Knowing what you want is an art in itself — deeply intuitive — I couldn’t tell you the how but that’s the what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 12, 2022 https://www.shiningworld.com/free-will-and-the-isvara-metaprogram/ Long and informative explanation (Advaita Vedanta). “You don’t have problems; you are the problem.” – Swami Chinmayananda Namaste ? ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 12, 2022 This is answered in my Does Free Will Exist? video. Reality is Your Will made manifest. You will not get it with logic. Only with profound awakening. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
