EntheogenTruthSeeker

The True Dangers of Leo Gura

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Listen, I am the last to criticize Leo. I have saw his face in the clouds before, as a Jesus like diety. But I will tell you that the way he teaches lacks compassion, embodiment of understanding that not everyone has perfect mental health and life conditions like he was gifted with. Yeah Leo worked hard for his life, but so have I and I feel like Leo is way too arrogant to be in the position of power he is in. 

We all are starting to see Leos shadow and insecurities manifest in his students. 

The denial of Jesus, thinking you're more woke than anyone on here is just bullshit Leo. 

Its just funny how I thought this man was the most enlightened being on the planet like the new Jesus and I feel like I am a better teacher than he is at this point. he just knows how to master market and manipulate people. I don't play by those games, sorry bro. you are not more conscious than me. I have spent 300 days in mental hospitals, that is nothing to your claim of being so radically conscious that you would have been put on meds in your blog, so laughable that you used that statement to prove a point when I and many others go through these hospitals on a regular basis due to your ill teaching methods and lack of personal humbleness and passion for helping mentally ill people. You just dismiss mental illness like its beneath you bro. Getting heated but seriously. 

 

I almost died from these teachings, secret service showing up to the hospital, jail, permanent psych ward state hospital, suicide, etc. 

Leo is not perfect y'all. just a reminder. he still jerks off for fucks sake lol

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40 minutes ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

Leo is not perfect y'all. just a reminder. he still jerks off for fucks sake lol

lol who gives a fuck

just saying

Everyone is innocent

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1 minute ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

@666 god told me he is the anti christ the Bible talked about. christ is coming I promise!

Perfect, you got time to get yourself right. ❤

 


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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are you implying that masturbation is beneath an enlightened individual?

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6 minutes ago, Mafortu said:

are you implying that masturbation is beneath an enlightened individual?

^^

Yeah that would be rather unwise.

Not that there is such thing as an "enlightened individual," but I get what you mean. There also are no unenlightened individuals. The individual is already enlightened of its own reality, but apparent liberation is possible -- apparently happened to "me" just last night. It's not an achievement any more than it's a failure -- it is neither of those.

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Why all the jesus talk? You realize you’re christ right?

 

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9 minutes ago, Consilience said:

Why all the jesus talk? You realize you’re christ right?

 

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OP, your ideas about Christ are not Christ.

What you refer to as Jesus, is something you made up. Not even that; it just appears.

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@Consilience yeah that makes sense on some level I am open to that but I am also aware that after praying to Jesus and talking to Christians and reading the Bible I’ve had more awakenings than anything else Leo or other teachings have to offer. You feel? It’s just my experience but to deny that Christ is not something other in the experience of suffering is foolishness. He calls on us to pray to him when the ego is in overdrive. He knows how to save your soul in a gentle way and remove destruction from your life. Leo does none of this to the degree that this ascended master did. I don’t see Leo preaching in the streets let alone leaving his apartment and forum, lol. Christ is way more powerful than any of the standard shit that is on this forum. I promise you. But you can sip from the water of truth or not, your choice. 

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10 minutes ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

@Consilience yeah that makes sense on some level I am open to that but I am also aware that after praying to Jesus and talking to Christians and reading the Bible I’ve had more awakenings than anything else Leo or other teachings have to offer. You feel? It’s just my experience but to deny that Christ is not something other in the experience of suffering is foolishness. He calls on us to pray to him when the ego is in overdrive. He knows how to save your soul in a gentle way and remove destruction from your life. Leo does none of this to the degree that this ascended master did. I don’t see Leo preaching in the streets let alone leaving his apartment and forum, lol. Christ is way more powerful than any of the standard shit that is on this forum. I promise you. But you can sip from the water of truth or not, your choice. 

It’s all just an appearance, but enjoy it while it lasts ?? 

But really, there is nothing wrong with that. Jesus can certainly apparently play a role in all kinds of awakenings. Keep on keepin’ on!

It seems like this is happening for something, right? Well, in apparent liberation, it’s recognized that it doesn’t. This happens for nothing. Sound bleak? Well, it’s actually where the freedom is. No bounds. Endless. You could think of that nothing as Christ if it makes you feel any better, but even that is not required.

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@The0Self what did you mean by the last sentence? By the way my mom is having dreams of me and Jesus so that’s another thing

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@EntheogenTruthSeeker The appearance has no bounds. Anything can happen. But it happens for no reason at all. [1] happening for (or in order to achieve) [2] is how the experience lives on. It’s just an appearance. Complete and utter freedom. For nothing. For Christ.

Something happening for nothing means something happening is not something that happens. Now that is a miracle.

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29 minutes ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

yeah that makes sense on some level I am open to that but I am also aware that after praying to Jesus and talking to Christians and reading the Bible I’ve had more awakenings than anything else Leo or other teachings have to offer. You feel? It’s just my experience but to deny that Christ is not something other in the experience of suffering is foolishness. He calls on us to pray to him when the ego is in overdrive. He knows how to save your soul in a gentle way and remove destruction from your life. Leo does none of this to the degree that this ascended master did.

Expecting Leo to be on the level of Christ is a misunderstanding of the role Leo should play in your life. Actualized.org is not a religion, Leo is not a spiritual master nor claims to be; he shares insights that either resonate or don't. Actualized.org should be one of many, MANY, sources of information you're learning from. So yes, the teachings of Christianity can play an intimate role with facilitating awakenings, but so can Zen, Theravada, Advaita Vedanta, Neo-Advaita, Islam, Judaism, Daoism, etc. The mistake would be to think Christianity is suddenly THE ANSWER because you've had a few awakenings. 

29 minutes ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

Christ is way more powerful than any of the standard shit that is on this forum. I promise you. But you can sip from the water of truth or not, your choice.

Oh I completely agree Christ is way more powerful than what's typically on this forum, but if you're creating a duality out of you and Christ, out of God and World, you misunderstand God, you misunderstand Christ. God is this moment, God is this forum, God is the source of your soul, YOU are God, the emptiness out of which experience is constantly arising and passing into moment by moment is God, the experience that arises out of and passes back into emptiness is God. To think Jesus is somehow your savior is to mistakenly believe there is someone to be saved. You are no one. Jesus was no one. You are the whole of reality pretending it is someone that may or may not be saved. 

Heaven is this present moment. Heaven and Earth are one in the same. When the Buddha became enlightened under the Bodhi tree he realized Heaven. All mystical traditions point towards the same truth brother. 

I only say all this to say... Just don't let yourself fall into the illusions of contemporary Christianity. You are God. You are Jesus. Just because you don't resonate with Leo, that does not mean he is dangerous or that we need saving from Jesus. 

I was outside meditating today staring into the sky. My heart spontaneously exploded in ecstatic compassion for the suffering of all beings and I weeped for the grace, salvation, and perfection of the world. There was only God and not once did Christ cross my mind. He is not needed, only your own direct experience of what you are. Much love man. 

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@Consilience lol I didn’t say that

oh nvm you were talking to him sry

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Just now, The0Self said:

@Consilience lol I didn’t say that

Some sort of error with the quoting feature. Let me fix my bad haha

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Notice your beliefs don't actually change anything in reality.

You could believe you are the almighty eternal pink elephant god of Syria.

DOESN'T change anything....its only mind delusion.


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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It's one thing to disagree with someone and another to demonize them.

I'm sorry you went through that struggle. I can kinda relate. But I would not blame Leo or anyone else for it. It's hard to blame when you see it's been you, all along.

Leo definitely has his shortcomings. And so do we all. We should not be demonizing each other because of that.

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2 hours ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

Its just funny how I thought this man was the most enlightened being on the planet like the new Jesus and I feel like I am a better teacher than he is at this point.

51 minutes ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

I am also aware that after praying to Jesus and talking to Christians and reading the Bible I’ve had more awakenings than anything else Leo or other teachings have to offer

Lol always gotta wrap a point around “me” ? what a joke dude. Kinda funny how this whole point went from how concerned you were about the repercussions of what Leo is saying into some spiritual dick measuring contest.

Lets get one thing straight dude. There is no historical evidence that Christ ever even existed as a historical person. None. There are rumors and stories about potentially going to India near Kashmir and practiced yoga and that’s really about it. Not even the Gnostics take Jesus to be a historical person but rather as an archetypal figure. There is no doubt that many Christians have revelatory experiences like “Born again expirences” which are a sort of kensho/satori or even just Arising & Passing Away experience. The very narcissistic way in which you arrogantly are emphasizing “I” in all of these statements is just like an emperor walking around completely unaware he’s completely naked. It’s just silly. 

I don’t agree with Leo’s stance on psychedelics and his arrogance (which I appreciate he owns as it’s a common thing for very intellectual people, myself included in that) can get a little redundant in my opinion. That said, mystical experiences (which are not enlightenment) that are interpreted at ethnocentric Christian stages of development are not only doing the world no favor in that, it’s also shooting itself in the foot as they fail to adapt and acknowledge the genuine legitimacy found in all traditions, lineages, and paths. Christ or God for many traditionalist Christians is just an indoctrinated mental form that becomes the basis of ones super ego that often become so repressive and detrimental to one’s mental health and sanity that it becomes utterly toxic. There is no doubt some legitimacy for those that have had some revelatory experience, which is why I can sympathize on why they don’t want to give that up. That said, Christians don’t have it all together. As obvious that really should be this day in age for those living in the modern world. 

The reality is though, there is no God or Christ that is other than you. If you think you’re still separate from Christ’s Consciousness, you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s just more forms for your mind to hold onto. 

Also, regarding your comment on jerking off. Do you realize the states in say the United States that the states have the highest rates of porn addiction are always states that tend to represent Christianity the most? UTAH, those Mormon mofos that wear the undergarments that look like they belonged to Benjamin Franklin’s grandmother that go on cult missions to preach the teachings of Jesus to people in third world countries and say “Ah FUDGE!” instead of “fuck” are the one’s that beat it off the most. Other states right behind them are Bible Belt states like Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, etc. At least Leo is honest about jerking off rather than being some enlightened guy that teaches brahmacharya and, when the cameras are not rolling, are sexually abusing their students just like what goes on in many Christian churches where pastors eat 9 year choir boy cock for breakfast. Give me a break dude. 

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2 hours ago, EntheogenTruthSeeker said:

Listen, I am the last to criticize Leo. I have saw his face in the clouds before, as a Jesus like diety. But I will tell you that the way he teaches lacks compassion, embodiment of understanding that not everyone has perfect mental health and life conditions like he was gifted with. Yeah Leo worked hard for his life, but so have I and I feel like Leo is way too arrogant to be in the position of power he is in. 

We all are starting to see Leos shadow and insecurities manifest in his students. 

The denial of Jesus, thinking you're more woke than anyone on here is just bullshit Leo. 

Its just funny how I thought this man was the most enlightened being on the planet like the new Jesus and I feel like I am a better teacher than he is at this point. he just knows how to master market and manipulate people. I don't play by those games, sorry bro. you are not more conscious than me. I have spent 300 days in mental hospitals, that is nothing to your claim of being so radically conscious that you would have been put on meds in your blog, so laughable that you used that statement to prove a point when I and many others go through these hospitals on a regular basis due to your ill teaching methods and lack of personal humbleness and passion for helping mentally ill people. You just dismiss mental illness like its beneath you bro. Getting heated but seriously. 

 

I almost died from these teachings, secret service showing up to the hospital, jail, permanent psych ward state hospital, suicide, etc. 

Leo is not perfect y'all. just a reminder. he still jerks off for fucks sake lol

You'll probably appreciate this! I myself have been through the psych ward experience you mention. But i never thought I lost sanity, more like reality showing it's wonky side... DSC_0217.JPG

I wouldn't jump to some of the conclusions about Leo, you are rather harsh. 

He has provided so much good through his work. And he allows us to express ourselves and gives great advices. 

Yes I believe he might have fallen in the ultimate trap, but so could I. What if we all share the same problem right now.. 

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@EntheogenTruthSeeker Ok what... is your point exactly? Leo has already went through all of these points and accusations countless times, in forms of warning signs, disclaimers and beware, misuses, careful not to misinterpret or twist. And you're literally doing all of it lol. If anyone is aware of his shortcoming, it's certainly himself. Not you. Or anyone else. It's easy to point fingers at the teacher when things goes wrong for you. And so ungrateful. You speak as if you play no role on your own short-comings.  With your current state of mind, maybe what you need right now is not spiritual and psyche teaching, but an actual psychologist for you're well being. I mean seeing what you've been through, clearly smthg went wrong in the application. And at this point neither Leo nor any other guru can help you in this.  seek therapy and psychologists

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